Pence walks out on NFL. PR stunt costs taxpayers $250,000

[Sapidus]

Liar. You do that a lot. Brought up to lie? Or a learned trait?

And those spoiled brats don't expect to lose a dime. Most of them aren't smart enough to think that far ahead anyway..they get paid millions of dollars to beat each other up over a pigskin ball, after all.

And even dumber people watch it. So whats your point? All your narratives fall apart so quickly.

Everyone saw your blurry pics of cheap crap. Why deny it now?

 

[Toxick]

Why are Trump and Pence trying to divide America?

 

[Rommey]

I agree they make up a small portion but it is the systematic racial bias in the country that allows it to keep happening

Systemic racial bias? Not every incident involving a black suspect/criminal is because of racism. What about all the cops that interact with black people and have NO incident? If it were as systemic as you are trying to portray it, then why do some go free and some go to jail? Could it be because the ones going to jail did something illegal?

...and keep even the bad ones from being prosecuted which is exactly what the protests are about.

To what end?

 

[PsyOps]

The first two times Colin did it he sat on the bench. He then met with a veteran who encouraged him to kneel to show respect to the flag while also showing his displeasure at police violence. It’s not mocking and the people kneeling are still showing respect while protesting police violence.

Well, there are an awful lot of veterans out there that don't see it that way. We see it as mocking and disrespecting what that flag and anthem stands for.

Now, I suppose you're going to tell all of us veterans who see it that way are wrong, and that one veteran that told Kap to kneel is right.

This has been said too many times... None of us would have a problem with Kaepernick kneeling in protest, it's the time in which he chooses to do it. He is choosing that flag and that anthem as his time to protest. It says to me that he doesn't care what it means to the country, he only cares what it means to him; oppression, institutional racism, and police brutality against black people. If he didn't see the flag that way, he would stand and honor it.

 

[GURPS]

And actually it’s racial bias or racism that allows you to forgive one and not the other ....

no racism involved

 

[Sapidus]

I don't think anyone will dispute that they are within their first amendment rights, the same as the owners are within their rights to bench, fire, not hire... anyone who decides to make their statement on their time. As to people getting mad at marches, all of us have places we have to be, things we have to do people standing around in the road are doing it only to inconvenience them. The fact that they haven't had more of them turned into road pizza is probably a greater testament to being civilized than anything else. BLM lacks credibility because their argument is a lie. Blacks aren't getting shot at any great rate, and almost every one who has was doing something that caused them to be shot. If I had a complaint to make here it's that not enough white scums aren't getting shot. As to when blacks should protest, how about never? Their petulant acts are an embarrassment to the civil rights pioneers who came before them and is detrimental to making any headway to undoing the harm that the last president caused.

The problem with your argument is that you are using the wrong premise. No one is saying blacks are shot more. they are saying. that excessive force is used against blacks more often , blacks are killed for interactions that a white person wouldn’t be killed for and the cops are not held accountable for their actions. We have evidence of this happening over and over. You can choose to deny but it’s hapoening

 

[vraiblonde]

We have evidence of this happening over and over.

No, you don't. Everything you bawled about is demonstrably not true, according to every statistic available, and the progpress even admitted it. Perhaps you aren't high enough on the food chain to have gotten that memo.

 

[Sapidus]

Well, there are an awful lot of veterans out there that don't see it that way. We see it as mocking and disrespecting what that flag and anthem stands for.

Now, I suppose you're going to tell all of us veterans who see it that way are wrong, and that one veteran that told Kap to kneel is right.

This has been said too many times... None of us would have a problem with Kaepernick kneeling in protest, it's the time in which he chooses to do it. He is choosing that flag and that anthem as his time to protest. It says to me that he doesn't care what it means to the country, he only cares what it means to him; oppression, institutional racism, and police brutality against black people. If he didn't see the flag that way, he would stand and honor it.

You are free to perceive it that way. How did you feel when Kim Davis protested at work?

IMO Kapernick reached out to a veteran , listened and modified his behavior from
Sitting to kneeling. Of course that is not going to satisfy everyone but he made an attempt to hear the other side.

What has the other side done to reach out, listen or modify any behavior?

In this situation it is up to the NFL since they are on the clock and so far the owners have supported the players.


I believe he choose this time because blacks have been ignored in many different forums in the past and he realizes he has a huge audience and opportunity to effect change possibly at his own detriment.

 

[Merlin99]

The problem with your argument is that you are using the wrong premise. No one is saying blacks are shot more. they are saying. that excessive force is used against blacks more often , blacks are killed for interactions that a white person wouldn’t be killed for and the cops are not held accountable for their actions. We have evidence of this happening over and over. You can choose to deny but it’s hapoening

So why isn't the argument that not enough whites are being shot, I know a lot of whites that will get behind this argument.

 

[Sapidus]

No, you don't. Everything you bawled about is demonstrably not true, according to every statistic available, and the progpress even admitted it. Perhaps you aren't high enough on the food chain to have gotten that memo.

Just because you deny it and refuse to see it doesn’t make it true no matter what your “blackFriends “ say

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/08/the-counted-police-killings-2016-young-black-men

 

[vraiblonde]

Just because you deny it and refuse to see it

AGAIN, every statistic available shows the exact opposite of what you are claiming. You can link to all the op-eds and data skewing you want, and that will not change. Clearly you didn't even read the piece you cited, or you would plainly see how they extrapolated their data and played word games with their conclusion.

Now, do you want to go back and read it, or do you want me to read it to you? You know, since you're a progbot and all and need everything done for you.

 

[GURPS]

How did you feel when Kim Davis protested at work?

she refused to do her JOB
no one was paying her millions to do ...
people weren't lining up in the registrars office to watch her fill out forms ...




.... what is with you and the moral equivalence

 

[GURPS]

Clearly you didn't even read the piece you cited, or you would plainly see how they extrapolated their data and played word games with their conclusion.

IIRC someone posted the actual FBI Crime Figures in the last 2 weeks

 

[Merlin99]

You are free to perceive it that way. (1)How did you feel when Kim Davis protested at work?

(2)IMO Kapernick reached out to a veteran , listened and modified his behavior from
Sitting to kneeling. Of course that is not going to satisfy everyone but he made an attempt to hear the other side.

(3)What has the other side done to reach out, listen or modify any behavior?

(4)In this situation it is up to the NFL since they are on the clock and so far the owners have supported the players.


(5)I believe he choose this time because blacks have been ignored in many different forums in the past and he realizes he has a huge audience and opportunity to effect change possibly at his own detriment.

1. I was embarrassed with her stand and thought she should have been fired.
2. I think he was being ignored so he modified his behavior to improve his chances of being seen.
3. If you don't agree that you're the problem, it's not likely you're going to change.
4. I think we'll be seeing the pendulum swing the other way soon, it's starting too hit the NFL in the pocketbook. On top of this it's looking like the possibility of the NFL losing their monopoly and tax status is there.
5. I think he got a girlfriend who was a SJW that he wanted to impress, then it got out of hand. I also believe that if he knew in advance that he was abandoning his career he would have bought her a car instead.

 

[Sapidus]

AGAIN, every statistic available shows the exact opposite of what you are claiming. You can link to all the op-eds and data skewing you want, and that will not change. Clearly you didn't even read the piece you cited, or you would plainly see how they extrapolated their data and played word games with their conclusion.

Now, do you want to go back and read it, or do you want me to read it to you? You know, since you're a progbot and all and need everything done for you.

Continue flapping your gums without ever posting any evidence or citing any sources. It’s very convincing. Again. Just because you believe it doesn’t make it true.

Have you seen the tapes of Philando Castile?

Have you read the reports of Sylville Smith?
How about Terence Crutcher, Tamir Rice and Freddie Gray,
White people arent killed by cops like that

These cops were all Acquited

 

[Sapidus]

she refused to do her JOB
no one was paying her millions to do ...
people weren't lining up in the registrars office to watch her fill out forms ... .... what is with you and the moral equivalence

She protested while at work and was made a hero by conservatives. Football
Players protest st work and are villified.

It’s the same thing

 

[Ken King]

How did you feel when Kim Davis protested at work?

She didn't protest, she was adhering to Kentucky law and the Kentucky constitution. The SCOTUS should have stayed the hell out of business that wasn't theirs to decide as marriage laws are a state issue.

 

[Sapidus]

1. I was embarrassed with her stand and thought she should have been fired.
2. I think he was being ignored so he modified his behavior to improve his chances of being seen.
3. If you don't agree that you're the problem, it's not likely you're going to change.
4. I think we'll be seeing the pendulum swing the other way soon, it's starting too hit the NFL in the pocketbook. On top of this it's looking like the possibility of the NFL losing their monopoly and tax status is there.
5. I think he got a girlfriend who was a SJW that he wanted to impress, then it got out of hand. I also believe that if he knew in advance that he was abandoning his career he would have bought her a car instead.

I think all of that sounds pretty cynical and spoken like someone who hasn’t stood up for their convictions.

It’s also sounds a lot like the Fox News narrrative.

If you read the article I linked to you will see he took the veterans words to heart and they had a very good conversation that had nothing to do with how to get more attention.

 

[Hijinx]

Watch Hockey , it's a better game and a lot lighter.


The players do not have to be overweight musclebound freaks, or ten foot tall round ballers, in fact its a game played by average human beings.

 

[Sapidus]

She didn't protest, she was adhering to Kentucky law and the Kentucky constitution. The SCOTUS should have stayed the hell out of business that wasn't theirs to decide as marriage laws are a state issue.

I don’t think you understand the word “Supreme”