Please leave your dog home

PeoplesElbow

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The grocery store is no place for your fleabag.

Lowes is ok except your dog is in peoples way while you stand and chat with someone and your dog wanders around on its 12ft leash while you don't pay a bit of attention to it.
 

vraiblonde

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I thought there was a health law against pets in the grocery store. Was it a service dog?
 

Kyle

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Lucky this reminds me… I need to check on the status of my application for my emotional support grizzly.
 

vraiblonde

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To make it clear I have absolutely no problem with real service animals.

This is a real question:

What's the difference if it's a service animal or just a pet? Still hairy. Still sheds. Still bothers people who are allergic.

I really don't care about dogs in places - they're usually better behaved than people's demon spawn. I don't take Apollo around, but that's a personal choice. I just don't understand how they don't allow pets for this or that reason - usually hygiene and allergies - yet allow service dogs. Don't allergic people have rights, too?
 

PeoplesElbow

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This is a real question:

What's the difference if it's a service animal or just a pet? Still hairy. Still sheds. Still bothers people who are allergic.

I really don't care about dogs in places - they're usually better behaved than people's demon spawn. I don't take Apollo around, but that's a personal choice. I just don't understand how they don't allow pets for this or that reason - usually hygiene and allergies - yet allow service dogs. Don't allergic people have rights, too?

To become a true service animal they are held to the highest behavior standards and receive tons of training.

Some old womans poodle doesn't have this sort of training. Service animals always stay on the ground also, not being held over the meat counter or prepared food bar like the nutty old women that I have seen in grocery stores with their dogs.
 

mitzi

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This is a real question:

What's the difference if it's a service animal or just a pet? Still hairy. Still sheds. Still bothers people who are allergic.

I really don't care about dogs in places - they're usually better behaved than people's demon spawn. I don't take Apollo around, but that's a personal choice. I just don't understand how they don't allow pets for this or that reason - usually hygiene and allergies - yet allow service dogs. Don't allergic people have rights, too?

Maybe the service dogs are allowed under the disability act?
 

littlelady

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I have seen a few dogs in stores over the years. I don’t have a problem with it. It was, usually, people that have to ride the motorized handicapped carts. I, always, interact with those people, and pet their dog. I have seen worse in stores; as in, filthy human animals.
 

Hannibal

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I have seen a few dogs in stores over the years. I don’t have a problem with it. It was, usually, people that have to ride the motorized handicapped carts. I, always, interact with those people, and pet their dog. I have seen worse in stores; as in, filthy human animals.

If you are petting them, then they are not service animals. Which brings into question the need for them being in (certain) stores.
 

vraiblonde

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Maybe the service dogs are allowed under the disability act?

Right, but wouldn't the disability act also cover people who are allergic to dogs? Peanuts have been removed from schools, airplanes, and other venues to accommodate those with allergies; what about people who are allergic to animals? Why wouldn't they be considered?
 

RoseRed

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My neighbor has one of those little white highland terriers. I ####ing HATE that dog. Non-stop yapping and NO manners. He gets loose and runs around the yard with her hobbling after him. I no longer try and assist catching that beast. She then had the audacity to tell me she is going to get it certified as her service dog. Fat chance.
 

frequentflier

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I think there is.

I'm sure it was an "emotional support" animal though.

To make it clear I have absolutely no problem with real service animals.

A REAL service animal would be certified and trained in length to do a job. There is an ID card for the legit ones and it is easy to spot the ones that are true service dogs. I know a woman that travels around the world with her dog and she has had strokes. He senses one coming on and alerts her.
Though a majority of the dogs I see are not true service dogs, it is easy to buy a vest online and call a dog a service dog. Also many get notes from their doctors saying they need to have an emotional support dog etc. It is a known fact that people are making their pets "emotional support" so that they can not be discriminated against when renting an apartment that does not allow pets! Or take them on an airplane. Or take them anywhere!
IMO, it is way out of hand. As my profession is in the pet industry, I see first hand how abused the "I want to take my dog anyplace with me" issue is! I have seen plenty of "service dogs" that are out of control, not trained, have no manners and have owners that absolutely should not be calling them service dogs.
And NO legit service dog would be on a retractable leash; wandering 12' away from the human.
The biggest problem is: there is no one enforcing the rules or questioning the dogs credentials.
 
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vraiblonde

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It is hard to identify who exactly IS a REAL service animal, certified and trained in length to do a job. People can and do buy vests online, get notes from their doctors saying they need to have an emotional support dog etc. It is a known fact that people are making their pets "emotional support" so that they can not be discriminated against when renting an apartment that does not allow pets! Or take them on an airplane. Or take them anywhere!

One of my mom's cousins did this with his dog and gave me a website where you pay them like $50 or something and they'll "certify" your mutt as a service animal. I thought very briefly about doing this for Apollo for hotel and cottage purposes, then decided I value my karma more than that. It's less stressful finding dog-friendly accommodations than it is living with bad karma hanging over your head and gods ready to smite you when you least expect it.
 

getbent

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One of my mom's cousins did this with his dog and gave me a website where you pay them like $50 or something and they'll "certify" your mutt as a service animal. I thought very briefly about doing this for Apollo for hotel and cottage purposes, then decided I value my karma more than that. It's less stressful finding dog-friendly accommodations than it is living with bad karma hanging over your head and gods ready to smite you when you least expect it.

I agree. I would love to know good place you have found for vacationing with dogs. Our biggest problem is we have 2: one is about 80 lbs. and the other about 140 lbs. Most places only allow one dog and it isn't going to be the 140 lb one, lol.
 

vraiblonde

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I agree. I would love to know good place you have found for vacationing with dogs. Our biggest problem is we have 2: one is about 80 lbs. and the other about 140 lbs. Most places only allow one dog and it isn't going to be the 140 lb one, lol.

You are a prime candidate for an RV. :yay:
 

Hannibal

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Right, but wouldn't the disability act also cover people who are allergic to dogs? Peanuts have been removed from schools, airplanes, and other venues to accommodate those with allergies; what about people who are allergic to animals? Why wouldn't they be considered?

This should be the case. I am all for the legit use of a service animal but there should (perhaps) be structure to it. For example, I can understand a blind person needing use of their dog full time to assist with mobility (stores, restaurants, etc.). However, I know of two people in wheelchairs who have service dogs to assist them in the office/home (handing them various items, etc.). Both are fantastic dogs and do a great job in their role; however, I don't see the need/use in a restaurant setting. They aren't exactly handing their owner food/utensils, etc. I'd be more agreeable in a situation such as fast food or when eating solo of course. To me, there needs to be a valid NEED for that animal in that setting - especially in consideration of people's potential conditions (allergies). In other words, I am OK with POTENTIALLY exposing others to POTENTIAL issues such as allergies IF there is a valid need for that animal in that setting. If that dog is simply sitting there, and not providing a service, not so much.

To the earlier post about non-service dogs being validated, I witnessed an extreme case of this a few months ago. I was working in Baltimore during my actual birthday and my wife and some friends came up to take me out for dinner. For some reasons, the choice was Fogo de Cho near the Harbor. Don't know why but just the same. About 15 minutes into our evening, a woman (maybe late 30's) came through the joint with a big dog (looked like a sheep dog - lots of hair). They sat several rows away from us thankfully. This dog did several things that easily outed itself as being valid: 1) it pulled on the leash the entire way through the place. 2) it put its nose up on the table during dinner seeking out scraps (the woman actually fed her table food), 3) it barked twice I'm assuming in an attempt to get more table food, 4) it didn't escort the lady to the salad bar.

I can only imagine that she pushed the issue at the door claiming it was a "therapy dog". I've seen many service dogs in use by those who need it. Quite impressive. This dog had worse manners than my mutt who struggles with sit and down.

BTW - Fogo de Cho is crap. Perhaps I waited 10 years too long to give it a try.
 

getbent

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You are a prime candidate for an RV. :yay:

That's what hubby says! I did notice when looking at campgrounds some still only allow one dog or you can't leave them unattended... Which seems odd because then we all can't go enjoy an activity together.
 

vraiblonde

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That's what hubby says! I did notice when looking at campgrounds some still only allow one dog or you can't leave them unattended... Which seems odd because then we all can't go enjoy an activity together.

What they typically mean by that is you can't leave them outside unattended. You'd be surprised at the number of people set up little pens or try to leave their dog chained up outside when they go somewhere for the day.

We haven't run into too many campgrounds that have a 1 dog policy. A couple of them, but it doesn't seem to be the norm. Also a few of them have breed restrictions - no Pits or Rotties, etc. - because they've had problems with that type of dog (read: the owner is an ass) in the past.
 
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