Politics of Covid 19 Vaccines

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
CDC: Data Suggests Vaccinated People Don’t Carry Virus Or Get Sick


“Our data from the CDC today suggests that vaccinated people don’t carry the virus, don’t get sick and that it’s not just in clinical trials, but it’s also in real world data,” CDC Director Dr. Rochelle Walensky said, according to KNTV, an NBC affiliate.

Walensky was referring to a new study of nearly 4,000 frontline workers, some of whom were vaccinated while others were not, the station said. “The group tested themselves weekly for COVID-19 infections between December and March.”

“Among fully vaccinated people in the study, there were only three COVID-19 infections detected,” KNTV reported. “Unvaccinated participants logged 161 covid cases, scientific evidence experts say proves fully-vaccinated people are protected in two ways.”

“Essentially vaccines block you from getting and giving the virus,” University of California-San Francisco Infectious Disease Specialist Dr. Monica Gandhi told the station. “You can feel safe as a vaccinated person going indoor dining, going to a gym, going to the movies, going to places you did not feel safe before.”
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Have some workmen over for a project. One was a little reluctant to come close, kept his distance. I said, "Don't worry, I've had my shots!!" And as I said that, I realized that I just equated myself to a dog getting rabies or distemper shots.

:ohwell: What have we become?
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
Have some workmen over for a project. One was a little reluctant to come close, kept his distance. I said, "Don't worry, I've had my shots!!" And as I said that, I realized that I just equated myself to a dog getting rabies or distemper shots.

:ohwell: What have we become?
LOL I have been saying that for a week now and yes that was my intention when I said it . To make myself comparable with a dog and a rabies shot.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
With Vaccine Passports, Politicians Are Hoping Business Owners Will Do Their Dirty Work



Setting aside the obvious debate regarding societal division and privacy concerns, there is one point which is being missed by many as the idea of “vaccine passports” becomes an unfortunate and inevitable reality: yet again, politicians are avoiding responsibility by making business owners the “face” of COVID-19 restrictions.

As I explained earlier this week during a conversation with Michael Knowles, politicians are experts when it comes to avoiding responsibility. While they fall over themselves when it comes to taking credit for any real or perceived successes — for example, Anthony Fauci claiming that COVID-19 vaccines were “the best decision I’ve ever made” — they are usually nowhere to be seen when it comes to unpopular policies or negative outcomes.

COVID-19 restrictions are no different.

Throughout 2020, the responsibility for enforcing every draconian mandate — whether it be business closures or mask usage — was delegated to the small business owner. They, and not the government, became the “face” of the draconian mandate. They were the ones who had to deal with angry customers — whether justified or not — all while dealing with the stress of trying to keep their business alive.

With vaccine passports, the strategy is exactly the same. The government will effectively attempt to force citizens to be vaccinated if they hope to remain an equal member of society, while making small business owners responsible for bearing the brunt of the backlash from those who disagree.
 

TPD

the poor dad
With Vaccine Passports, Politicians Are Hoping Business Owners Will Do Their Dirty Work



Setting aside the obvious debate regarding societal division and privacy concerns, there is one point which is being missed by many as the idea of “vaccine passports” becomes an unfortunate and inevitable reality: yet again, politicians are avoiding responsibility by making business owners the “face” of COVID-19 restrictions.

As I explained earlier this week during a conversation with Michael Knowles, politicians are experts when it comes to avoiding responsibility. While they fall over themselves when it comes to taking credit for any real or perceived successes — for example, Anthony Fauci claiming that COVID-19 vaccines were “the best decision I’ve ever made” — they are usually nowhere to be seen when it comes to unpopular policies or negative outcomes.

COVID-19 restrictions are no different.

Throughout 2020, the responsibility for enforcing every draconian mandate — whether it be business closures or mask usage — was delegated to the small business owner. They, and not the government, became the “face” of the draconian mandate. They were the ones who had to deal with angry customers — whether justified or not — all while dealing with the stress of trying to keep their business alive.

With vaccine passports, the strategy is exactly the same. The government will effectively attempt to force citizens to be vaccinated if they hope to remain an equal member of society, while making small business owners responsible for bearing the brunt of the backlash from those who disagree.
I can speak to this first hand. Most of you know my story. Part of it involves the enforcement of the masks in my business. I was very clear From the beginning with my employees AND with Dr. Brewster that it was not up to me or my employees to be the mask police. No where in Hogan’s executive order does it say we (businesses) need to enforce it. Of course the tyrant didn’t agree with me. Our court case has proven I AM CORRECT - Retail businesses are NOT required to enforce masks! I have been trying to educate business owners on this but most are too scared of the health department to do otherwise. I am currently working on something to get the word out to businesses.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Vermont GOP governor opens up COVID vaccines for those who identify as Black, Indigenous or person of color




The state's website advertises "BIPOC household focused clinics" in Northern and Southern Vermont. For the Burlington area, the state offers a vaccination form that specifies eligibility is for BIPOC individuals and members of their household. The first question asks: "Do you identify as Black, Indigenous, or Person of Color (BIPOC)? This includes anyone who is non-white."

Other eligibility categories include people 50 years and older, people 16 years or older with high-risk health conditions, English language learners and people in immigrant/refugee communities, health care personnel and residents of long-term care facilities, people who work in the public safety system and school staff and child care workers. The immigrant/refugee category similarly offers "community-specific clinics."

The categories link to a site describing the state's strategy of "working toward equity."

"We still have much more to do to address the significant disparities in the rates of COVID-19 infection, hospitalization, and death among Vermonters who are Black, Indigenous and people of color (BIPOC)," the website reads. "Right now we are working with funded community partners to understand the barriers that might limit vaccine access for BIPOC Vermonters, as these require unique public health solutions."
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Florida Gov. Ron DeSantis Delivers On Promise, Bans ‘Vaccine Passports’ With Executive Order



DeSantis also stated that “requiring so-called COVID-19 vaccine passports for taking part in everyday life — such as attending a sporting event, patronizing a restaurant, or going to a movie theater — would create two classes of citizens based on vaccination.”

Last month, New York became the first state in the country to implement a COVID-19 “vaccine passport.” Conversely, DeSantis said that “It’s completely unacceptable for either the government or the private sector to impose upon you the requirement that you show proof of vaccine to just simply participate in normal society.”

“You want to go to a movie theater, should you have to show that? No. You want to go to a game, a theme park? No. So we’re not supportive of that,” he added.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Vaccine Passports Face Privacy Skeptics On Right And Left But Legacy Media Paints GOP As Conspiracy Theorists


“Any proposal for vaccine credentials must be primarily paper-based, decentralized, and protect privacy,” Stanley wrote. “But given the difficulty of creating a digital vaccine passport, we could see a rush to impose a COVID credential system built on an architecture that is not good for transparency, privacy, or user control. That could lock us into a bad standard as other parties that need to issue credentials piggyback upon it to offer everything from age verification to health records to hunting licenses to shopping accounts, memberships, and web site logins.”

In a Daily Beast article published in December, left-leaning privacy attorneys Albert Fox Cahn and Amanda Hummell argued Silicon Valley is ill-equipped to handle millions of Americans’ data, which would lead to “a new wave of surveillance tools.”


While claiming algorithms are racist, the two make a solid case big tech will only abuse confidential information given its history of doing so. The piece takes a hard look at the implications of allowing big tech such intimate access into our lives, and questions both the role corporations should play in vaccine tracking and whether they are suited to do so at all.

New products claim to do everything from optimizing vaccine distribution to tracing infections to monitoring who has immunity, as tech firms have worked to insert themselves into every facet of the public health fight. But the reality keeps falling short of the sales pitch, and recent debacles with vaccine priority algorithms and contact tracing apps are a warning for what’s coming next as the tech firms are just getting started. With this godsend of a vaccine comes a renewed push for immunity passports, an unproven technology with a racist history that deserves no place in 21st century health care, and a new wave of surveillance tools to monitor our health data.
 

TPD

the poor dad
I foresee a bill written in congress soon awarding $1.9 trillion to Amazon/Microsoft/Google to create a vaccine passport database. Government learned its lesson on the Obamacare websites so going straight to the big boys this time to get it done. Of course there will be an add-on bill passed next year for another $1 trillion to finish the project.
 

Kyle

Having a Beer while the world burns!
PREMO Member
I foresee a bill written in congress soon awarding $1.9 trillion to Amazon/Microsoft/Google to create a vaccine passport database. Government learned its lesson on the Obamacare websites so going straight to the big boys this time to get it done. Of course there will be an add-on bill passed next year for another $1 trillion to finish the project.
And of course there'll be a few more mandatory requirements of those in the database...

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GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Fauci says US will not require COVID-19 ‘vaccine passports’



Dr. Anthony Fauci said Monday that the US government will not require Americans to use vaccine passports to prove they’ve been immunized against the coronavirus.

The director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases said the federal government “may be involved in making sure things are done fairly and equitably.”

“But I doubt if the federal government is gonna be the leading element of that,” Fauci told the “Politico Dispatch” podcast.

Fauci said he expects certain businesses and educational institutions to be the ones to create their own policies about vaccination.

“I’m not saying that they should or that they would, but I’m saying you could foresee how an independent entity might say, ‘Well, we can’t be dealing with you unless we know you’re vaccinated.’ But it’s not going to be mandated from the federal government,” he said.





No the Gov is not going to DIRECTLY Mandate a VP, we are instead going to PUSH Businesses to implement a VP
 

Sneakers

Just sneakin' around....
Dr. Anthony Fauci said Monday that the US government will not require Americans to use vaccine passports to prove they’ve been immunized against the coronavirus.
But since places like NY are already implementing a passport, and only NY residents can get one, pretty much curbs their tourist industry.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
'Enough!'– Republicans Warn of 'Creeping Fascism' If We Don't 'Resist' the Vaccine Passport



On Tuesday in The Hill, Senator Rand Paul called for all Americans to “resist” the vaccine passports, characterizing them as the “latest COVID power grab.”

You’ve all heard my opinions on government bureaucrat Anthony Fauci. But it goes wider and deeper than any one person. And now we are in danger of their creeping fascism staying in our lives forever if we don’t stand up and resist.
The newest power grab comes in the form of an alleged “Vaccine Passport” which would determine your social suitability to engage in your everyday life. [emphasis added]
Want to go to the store? Show your vaccine card.
Want to go to a restaurant or concert? Did you tell the government what vaccines you’ve had?
Want to travel? VACCINE PAPERS PLEASE.
Paul says the American public should never have let go of their power for one second. Getting it back from power-hungry “tyrants and media fearmongers” may prove difficult.

We can’t let government tyrants and media fearmongers push us into accepting this terrible idea that we need their permission to go back to our lives.
By early summer, everyone in America will have been eligible for a vaccine. Between those who took the vaccine or had COVID, there is little to no doubt we will have herd immunity by then, and danger from COVID will be low.
Even the CDC now admits what I said months ago (and Dr. Fauci denied) — those who have been vaccinated are not getting sick and they are not passing along the disease to others.
Paul isn’t anti-vaccination, he’s anti tyranny and pro-science.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
There's No Stopping Vaccine Passports. Here's Why.


Here’s what’s likely to happen:

  • They’ll make it impossible to travel on public carriers — buses, airlines, Ubers, Amtrak — and they may even make it impossible to travel to another state in your private vehicle (you didn’t think that EZ-Pass mounted on your windshield was only for tracking your tolls, did you, Prole?).
  • They will make it impossible for you to go to a store to buy food or eat at a restaurant. Health departments will only be too happy to shutter businesses that refuse to comply with the vaccine passport scheme. Sure, you can protest by moving about these businesses without a mask, but the owners of your local mom-and-pop shop are the ones who will pay a steep price for your civil disobedience by losing their operating license.
  • You won’t be able to go to work. Health departments in various states have BROAD authority to shut down businesses that they deem a health risk, and the courts have done little to curb these powers.
  • Your unvaccinated kids won’t be allowed to attend school, daycare, or extracurricular activities. The teachers’ unions will make sure of that.
  • Doctors may refuse to treat you unless you’ve been vaccinated. If you’ve not yet run into a doctor who knows what’s best for you—and your kids—brace yourself. They are tanned, rested, and ready for this fight.
  • And if you don’t think there are children’s services workers champing at the bit to take your kids away because either they’re unvaccinated or you are, you haven’t been paying attention.
The list goes on and on.

One of the things that has concerned me most about our response to the pandemic is the number of people who have completely bought into the panic-porn narrative—for a virus with an extremely low mortality rate for all but the most vulnerable Americans. Ohio Gov. DeWine’s approval ratings on his handling of the pandemic have, shockingly, hovered around 70-80% since last spring. The more mandates he issues the better people seem to like him.

PJM’s Stacey Lennox discussed last week how we’re really living in two different Americas when it comes to the pandemic. Sadly, a majority of Americans are perfectly fine with letting the pandemic run their lives—being told whom they can visit, where they can eat, and what they must wear on their faces. Hospitals, including one I’ve learned about in Virginia, are even ripping newborn babies away from their mothers if one or both test positive for COVID-19 during their stay. And all this is considered, by a majority of Americans, to be necessary—and completely normal. They revel in signaling their virtue on social media and in public as they sneer at those of us who think it’s stupid to wear a mask outside. (And it’s doubly stupid for me to be forced to wear a mask at all, since I’ve recovered from COVID and tested positive for antibodies a month ago.) Anyone who disagrees with The Narrative is an anti-science rube who hates his fellow man and won’t “do something as simple as wearing a mask” to protect others.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Another Governor Just Banned Government Mandated Vaccine Passports


Texas Republican Governor Greg Abbott announced Tuesday he is barring the use of government mandated vaccine passports in the Lone Star State.


"Texans shouldn't be required to show proof of vaccination & reveal private health information just to go about their daily lives. I issued an Executive Order that prohibits government-mandated vaccine passports in Texas," Abbott tweeted. "Don't tread on our personal freedoms."
 
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