Politics of Covid 19 Vaccines
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PeoplesElbow
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LightRoasted
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If they are indeed going to start mandating it, the entire student body, I'm pretty sure there is going to be a huge sh!t show against it.
After just completing a thorough search of CSM's website, they have yet to publicly post that information. What they currently state is, "While CSM does not require universal COVID-19 vaccination, we strongly encourage all students to get vaccinated."
If they are indeed going to start mandating it, the entire student body, I'm pretty sure there is going to be a huge sh!t show against it.
More Illinois Sheriffs Departments Refuse Request To Staff Chicago Streets During Possible Police Shortage
Two more Illinois sheriff’s departments have refused to provide assistance to the city of Chicago, as the city faces the potential of a police shortage due to Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s vaccine mandate.
James Mendrick, the sheriff of DuPage County, Illinois, as well as Kendall County Sheriff Dwight Baird, have both rejected the Illinois Law Enforcement Alarm System’s request for suburban police departments to help the city of Chicago respond to emergencies.
“It’s like a preplanned police shortage,” DuPage County Sheriff James Mendrick, whose department is already dealing with a 12-man shortage, told the Daily Herald. “The lack of logic is the thing that astounds me.”
Two more Illinois sheriff’s departments have refused to provide assistance to the city of Chicago, as the city faces the potential of a police shortage due to Mayor Lori Lightfoot’s vaccine mandate.
James Mendrick, the sheriff of DuPage County, Illinois, as well as Kendall County Sheriff Dwight Baird, have both rejected the Illinois Law Enforcement Alarm System’s request for suburban police departments to help the city of Chicago respond to emergencies.
“It’s like a preplanned police shortage,” DuPage County Sheriff James Mendrick, whose department is already dealing with a 12-man shortage, told the Daily Herald. “The lack of logic is the thing that astounds me.”
UglyBear
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Again, a fun riddle:
For decades, we couldn’t implement right to work verification to discourage illegals. That would have been too onerous and a burden on businesses.
But now that we don’t even have a legal “mandate” to force a BS vaccine that doesn’t work, suddenly means of enforcement are found, and places of employment big and small are all eager to fire long term, qualified, licensed Americans for non-compliance.
For decades, we couldn’t implement right to work verification to discourage illegals. That would have been too onerous and a burden on businesses.
But now that we don’t even have a legal “mandate” to force a BS vaccine that doesn’t work, suddenly means of enforcement are found, and places of employment big and small are all eager to fire long term, qualified, licensed Americans for non-compliance.
Arizona attorney general asks judge to block COVID-19 testing, vaccine rules in expanded complaint
In the press release announcing his new complaint, Brnovich states that "millions of public university employees, federal employees, and contractors ... are now being forced to get their first round of the COVID-19 vaccine or be fired."
Biden issued executive orders last month requiring vaccines for employees at federal agencies and federal contractors.
But nobody needs to get a vaccine to comply with Biden's requirements for companies with 100 or more workers who are not federal contractors or workers. Employees at those companies have the choice of being tested regularly for COVID-19 in place of a vaccine, according to the limited details the administration released.
“Once a vaccine has been administered, it can never be undone,” said Brnovich, who is running for the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate race next year. “The COVID-19 vaccine mandate is one of the greatest infringements upon individual liberty, federalism, and the separation of powers by any administration in our country’s history.”
In the press release announcing his new complaint, Brnovich states that "millions of public university employees, federal employees, and contractors ... are now being forced to get their first round of the COVID-19 vaccine or be fired."
Biden issued executive orders last month requiring vaccines for employees at federal agencies and federal contractors.
But nobody needs to get a vaccine to comply with Biden's requirements for companies with 100 or more workers who are not federal contractors or workers. Employees at those companies have the choice of being tested regularly for COVID-19 in place of a vaccine, according to the limited details the administration released.
“Once a vaccine has been administered, it can never be undone,” said Brnovich, who is running for the Republican nomination for the U.S. Senate race next year. “The COVID-19 vaccine mandate is one of the greatest infringements upon individual liberty, federalism, and the separation of powers by any administration in our country’s history.”
TPD
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She received the email from CSM last week. Apparently there will be a q&a in November with the administrators and students to hash out how this will work. Nothing in the email said anything about medical exemptions/online classes/etc. I hope the southern Maryland counties stop funding CSM until they rescind this non-sense.
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jrt_ms1995
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Of course not! COVID is transmitted as a virus, and everyone knows computers spread viruses. Use your logic, man!... Nothing in the email said anything about ... online classes...
Hijinx
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Firing people who don't have the shot and already the shelves are getting bare. This BS will only make them more bare. Are they actually trying to get a revolution started? When shortages of food comes along people are going to take to the streets. I don't know what they are thinking, but this Covid crap has gone far enough.
LightRoasted
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I sure as hell hope that paying parents and taxpayers, will part of that Q&A. Also, funny how the spring semester starts in the middle of winter.She received the email from CSM last week. Apparently there will be a q&a in November with the administrators and students to hash out how this will work. Nothing in the email said anything about medical exemptions/online classes/etc. I hope the southern Maryland counties stop funding CSM until they rescind this non-sense.
Opinion: Religion? Politics? Freedom? These Aren’t Valid Reasons to Refuse a COVID Vaccine
Religion, politics and freedom are important to most Americans. But none of these is a good reason to take a stand against personal safety.
Take religion. It’s hard to see how a caring God would want humanity not to protect itself from a new virus, and the mainstream religions all support vaccination. There are individual religious leaders who oppose vaccination, just as there are fringe religions that support everything from witchcraft to LSD. Not all religious belief is of equal seriousness.
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Freedom is the most problematic reason, and for the anti-vaxxers it’s a middle-school conception of freedom — freedom from any constraints. This may have worked in a thinly populated early America, where your actions had little impact on your neighbors. But it’s a recipe for calamity in the 21st century America of 330 million people.
An unvaccinated individual’s stand for freedom puts many at risk and imposes costs on others. When you catch the virus, you put others around you at risk, especially children. And if you’re hospitalized, you — or society if you’ve decided that health insurance is an infringement on freedom — face hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs to save your life. And then there are the exhausted, overworked healthcare workers who have to try to save you when you wouldn’t make the effort to save yourself. They will not be very understanding.
AGAIN HOW IS SOMEONE UNVACCINATED A THREAT TO SOMEONE VACCINATED
I guess the ' Freedom ' to smoke or be fat is next on the list ' healthcare ' MAY cost more ....
Religion, politics and freedom are important to most Americans. But none of these is a good reason to take a stand against personal safety.
Take religion. It’s hard to see how a caring God would want humanity not to protect itself from a new virus, and the mainstream religions all support vaccination. There are individual religious leaders who oppose vaccination, just as there are fringe religions that support everything from witchcraft to LSD. Not all religious belief is of equal seriousness.
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Freedom is the most problematic reason, and for the anti-vaxxers it’s a middle-school conception of freedom — freedom from any constraints. This may have worked in a thinly populated early America, where your actions had little impact on your neighbors. But it’s a recipe for calamity in the 21st century America of 330 million people.
An unvaccinated individual’s stand for freedom puts many at risk and imposes costs on others. When you catch the virus, you put others around you at risk, especially children. And if you’re hospitalized, you — or society if you’ve decided that health insurance is an infringement on freedom — face hundreds of thousands of dollars in costs to save your life. And then there are the exhausted, overworked healthcare workers who have to try to save you when you wouldn’t make the effort to save yourself. They will not be very understanding.
AGAIN HOW IS SOMEONE UNVACCINATED A THREAT TO SOMEONE VACCINATED
I guess the ' Freedom ' to smoke or be fat is next on the list ' healthcare ' MAY cost more ....
Increases in COVID-19 are unrelated to levels of vaccination across 68 countries and 2947 counties in the United States
Findings
At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.
Across the US counties too, the median new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days is largely similar across the categories of percent population fully vaccinated (Fig. 2). Notably there is also substantial county variation in new COVID-19 cases within categories of percentage population fully vaccinated. There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated (Fig. 3).
Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentage of population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as “High” Transmission counties. Chattahoochee (Georgia), McKinley (New Mexico), and Arecibo (Puerto Rico) counties have above 90% of their population fully vaccinated with all three being classified as “High” transmission. Conversely, of the 57 counties that have been classified as “low” transmission counties by the CDC, 26.3% (15) have percentage of population fully vaccinated below 20%.
Findings
At the country-level, there appears to be no discernable relationship between percentage of population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases in the last 7 days (Fig. 1). In fact, the trend line suggests a marginally positive association such that countries with higher percentage of population fully vaccinated have higher COVID-19 cases per 1 million people. Notably, Israel with over 60% of their population fully vaccinated had the highest COVID-19 cases per 1 million people in the last 7 days. The lack of a meaningful association between percentage population fully vaccinated and new COVID-19 cases is further exemplified, for instance, by comparison of Iceland and Portugal. Both countries have over 75% of their population fully vaccinated and have more COVID-19 cases per 1 million people than countries such as Vietnam and South Africa that have around 10% of their population fully vaccinated.
Across the US counties too, the median new COVID-19 cases per 100,000 people in the last 7 days is largely similar across the categories of percent population fully vaccinated (Fig. 2). Notably there is also substantial county variation in new COVID-19 cases within categories of percentage population fully vaccinated. There also appears to be no significant signaling of COVID-19 cases decreasing with higher percentages of population fully vaccinated (Fig. 3).
Of the top 5 counties that have the highest percentage of population fully vaccinated (99.9–84.3%), the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) identifies 4 of them as “High” Transmission counties. Chattahoochee (Georgia), McKinley (New Mexico), and Arecibo (Puerto Rico) counties have above 90% of their population fully vaccinated with all three being classified as “High” transmission. Conversely, of the 57 counties that have been classified as “low” transmission counties by the CDC, 26.3% (15) have percentage of population fully vaccinated below 20%.
New coalition of federal employees sues Biden over vaccine mandate
“In rushing to force COVID-19 vaccinations on the federal workforce, the President’s edicts violate longstanding statutory prohibitions against inoculations with unlicensed vaccines, as well as the individual rights of government employees and contractors under the Rehabilitation Act and the Americans with Disabilities Act,” the complaint states. “Accordingly, plaintiffs who are representative of nearly every Federal Agency respectfully request relief from this Court in the form of injunctive relief stopping this illegal and unnecessarily broad and wide-ranging program.”
Feds for Medical Freedom, a coalition organizing federal workers and behind the lawsuit, asked the court to block Biden's policy from taking effect next month.
"On the basis that the mandates, as written and being implemented, are unlawful, federal employees are asking the judicial system to issue an order that prevents the mass firings of dedicated public servants," Feds for Medical Freedom wrote on its website.
“In rushing to force COVID-19 vaccinations on the federal workforce, the President’s edicts violate longstanding statutory prohibitions against inoculations with unlicensed vaccines, as well as the individual rights of government employees and contractors under the Rehabilitation Act and the Americans with Disabilities Act,” the complaint states. “Accordingly, plaintiffs who are representative of nearly every Federal Agency respectfully request relief from this Court in the form of injunctive relief stopping this illegal and unnecessarily broad and wide-ranging program.”
Feds for Medical Freedom, a coalition organizing federal workers and behind the lawsuit, asked the court to block Biden's policy from taking effect next month.
"On the basis that the mandates, as written and being implemented, are unlawful, federal employees are asking the judicial system to issue an order that prevents the mass firings of dedicated public servants," Feds for Medical Freedom wrote on its website.
Governor Inslee to mandate COVID vaccination for all private businesses
"If L&I desires to make such a rule, it should do so in an open and transparent manner that allows public review and comment. Even if an opportunity for review and comment is not afforded the public, L&I's website should host the proposed rulemaking to grant easy access to the public," they continued. "Furthermore, adopting such a broad, vague rule without clear direction will lead to arbitrary enforcement."
Walsh and Young questioned the ethics of Labor and Industries and said the department cannot demonstrate that it "exercised honestly" to arrive at the rules granted to Governor Inslee.
"There is no clear case for 'good cause' or 'the preservation of the public health, safety, or general welfare' as the governor's proclamation already addresses these issues, making L&I's mandate arbitrary and capricious," the representatives added. "We call on the governor to immediately repeal this mandate. If L&I wants to push this policy, it needs to go through the proper channels and work with the Legislature."
Last week, Walsh announced on Facebook that he had been was locked out of buildings on the Capitol campus in Olympia for failing to provide proof of COVID-19 vaccination.
"If L&I desires to make such a rule, it should do so in an open and transparent manner that allows public review and comment. Even if an opportunity for review and comment is not afforded the public, L&I's website should host the proposed rulemaking to grant easy access to the public," they continued. "Furthermore, adopting such a broad, vague rule without clear direction will lead to arbitrary enforcement."
Walsh and Young questioned the ethics of Labor and Industries and said the department cannot demonstrate that it "exercised honestly" to arrive at the rules granted to Governor Inslee.
"There is no clear case for 'good cause' or 'the preservation of the public health, safety, or general welfare' as the governor's proclamation already addresses these issues, making L&I's mandate arbitrary and capricious," the representatives added. "We call on the governor to immediately repeal this mandate. If L&I wants to push this policy, it needs to go through the proper channels and work with the Legislature."
Last week, Walsh announced on Facebook that he had been was locked out of buildings on the Capitol campus in Olympia for failing to provide proof of COVID-19 vaccination.
NYC Could Lose Thirty Percent Of Its Police Force, Fire Department Over Vaccine Mandate
New York City may lose up to 30% its police force and fire department after October 29th over a mandate that puts officers and firefighters on unpaid leave if they have not received at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.
“New York City took one of its most aggressive steps yet to increase vaccination rates in a city that was once the epicenter of the pandemic, requiring almost every member of the nation’s largest municipal workforce to get vaccinated by the end of the month or lose their paychecks,” the New York Times reported last week.
“The new mandate by Mayor Bill de Blasio, following similar requirements for teachers and health care workers that led to a surge in vaccinations, is intended to persuade thousands of city workers who have resisted getting the shot to do so before the winter,” the outlet noted.
New York City may lose up to 30% its police force and fire department after October 29th over a mandate that puts officers and firefighters on unpaid leave if they have not received at least one dose of the COVID-19 vaccine.
“New York City took one of its most aggressive steps yet to increase vaccination rates in a city that was once the epicenter of the pandemic, requiring almost every member of the nation’s largest municipal workforce to get vaccinated by the end of the month or lose their paychecks,” the New York Times reported last week.
“The new mandate by Mayor Bill de Blasio, following similar requirements for teachers and health care workers that led to a surge in vaccinations, is intended to persuade thousands of city workers who have resisted getting the shot to do so before the winter,” the outlet noted.
If Geraldo Rivera Is Vaxed Against COVID-19, Why Is He So Furious Others Aren't?
Rivera went full vaccine mandate authoritarian, declaring he has no tolerance for the unvaccinated. After claiming he was an open-minded and inclusive person, he said, “With 700,000 dead Americans, I have zero patience for people who are not getting vaccinated.” Rivera continued, “I am all for, 100% in for, vaccine mandates.” Rivera is as old as the Dementia Patient in Chief and nearly the age of the nation’s leading infectious disease specialist. So, it may be a function of how much you have to fear as someone over 65. And, of course, how confident you are in the vaccine you agreed to get.
Rivera was not finished. He extended his frustration to freedom-loving vaccinated people. “Furthermore, the thing I detest is vaccinated people who are cheering on the unvaccinated to stand up for their freedoms.” Overall it was a pretty good impression of President Biden losing his patience with the unvaccinated when he announced the mandate. The commentary is also just as absurd.
If you want people to get vaccinated, you should at least try to make them believe it will protect them from COVID-19’s worst outcomes. This talking point is the one the health experts repeat over and over again. However, Biden and Rivera have both lost this thread. They contend that unvaccinated individuals pose a threat to the vaccinated. Both of these things cannot be true.
Rivera went full vaccine mandate authoritarian, declaring he has no tolerance for the unvaccinated. After claiming he was an open-minded and inclusive person, he said, “With 700,000 dead Americans, I have zero patience for people who are not getting vaccinated.” Rivera continued, “I am all for, 100% in for, vaccine mandates.” Rivera is as old as the Dementia Patient in Chief and nearly the age of the nation’s leading infectious disease specialist. So, it may be a function of how much you have to fear as someone over 65. And, of course, how confident you are in the vaccine you agreed to get.
Rivera was not finished. He extended his frustration to freedom-loving vaccinated people. “Furthermore, the thing I detest is vaccinated people who are cheering on the unvaccinated to stand up for their freedoms.” Overall it was a pretty good impression of President Biden losing his patience with the unvaccinated when he announced the mandate. The commentary is also just as absurd.
If you want people to get vaccinated, you should at least try to make them believe it will protect them from COVID-19’s worst outcomes. This talking point is the one the health experts repeat over and over again. However, Biden and Rivera have both lost this thread. They contend that unvaccinated individuals pose a threat to the vaccinated. Both of these things cannot be true.
Gene therapy
Gene therapy is a medical field which focuses on the genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect[1] or the treatment of disease by repairing or reconstructing defective genetic material.[2] The first attempt at modifying human DNA was performed in 1980 by Martin Cline, but the first successful nuclear gene transfer in humans, approved by the National Institutes of Health, was performed in May 1989.[3] The first therapeutic use of gene transfer as well as the first direct insertion of human DNA into the nuclear genome was performed by French Anderson in a trial starting in September 1990. It is thought to be able to cure many genetic disorders or treat them over time.
COVID-19: A “gene therapy”? (Betteridge’s law of headlines applies)
Before I deal with Mercola, let me first conclude my discussion of Dr. Stoller’s rather clueless confusion. First, Dr. Stoller makes a simple, “Well, duh!” observation but frames it in such a manner as to make it seem terrifying if you don’t know molecular biology:
Yes, that is how mRNA vaccines work—sort of. mRNA vaccines do introduce a specific mRNA coding for the desired protein antigen into the recipient’s muscle cells; that much is true. The mRNA then serves as a template for the cell’s ribosomes to make that protein; that much is also true. I’ll also add here that there are other ways of achieving this same result, inducing the vaccine recipient’s own cells to make antigen. Putting the cDNA (the DNA with the gene for a protein) coding for the desired protein antigen in an adenovirus vector that can’t replicate is another method. (Indeed, that’s how the COVID-19 vaccine candidates from Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca work.)
Note, though, how Dr. Stoller, in his effort to portray mRNA vaccines as “therapy” (specifically a “gene therapy”), obfuscates by saying that the recombinant proteins made by the vaccines “presumably” will “stop, prevent or modulate the infection in question”. First, there’s no “presumably” about it; the mRNA vaccines work. Second, the goal is to prevent severe disease from the infection by provoking an immune response and providing “immune memory”, so that the immune system, when encountering SARS-CoV-2 again, will be able to rapidly ramp up a response to shut the virus down before it can cause disease. That’s how all vaccines designed to prevent viral diseases work! There’s nothing special about the COVID-19 vaccines in that aspect, Dr. Stoller’s risibly feverish effort to suggest otherwise notwithstanding. Note further how he tries to redefine prevention as “treatment”:
And the Vax isn't Gene Therapy how ?
Gene therapy is a medical field which focuses on the genetic modification of cells to produce a therapeutic effect[1] or the treatment of disease by repairing or reconstructing defective genetic material.[2] The first attempt at modifying human DNA was performed in 1980 by Martin Cline, but the first successful nuclear gene transfer in humans, approved by the National Institutes of Health, was performed in May 1989.[3] The first therapeutic use of gene transfer as well as the first direct insertion of human DNA into the nuclear genome was performed by French Anderson in a trial starting in September 1990. It is thought to be able to cure many genetic disorders or treat them over time.
COVID-19: A “gene therapy”? (Betteridge’s law of headlines applies)
Before I deal with Mercola, let me first conclude my discussion of Dr. Stoller’s rather clueless confusion. First, Dr. Stoller makes a simple, “Well, duh!” observation but frames it in such a manner as to make it seem terrifying if you don’t know molecular biology:
Yes, that is how mRNA vaccines work—sort of. mRNA vaccines do introduce a specific mRNA coding for the desired protein antigen into the recipient’s muscle cells; that much is true. The mRNA then serves as a template for the cell’s ribosomes to make that protein; that much is also true. I’ll also add here that there are other ways of achieving this same result, inducing the vaccine recipient’s own cells to make antigen. Putting the cDNA (the DNA with the gene for a protein) coding for the desired protein antigen in an adenovirus vector that can’t replicate is another method. (Indeed, that’s how the COVID-19 vaccine candidates from Johnson & Johnson and AstraZeneca work.)
Note, though, how Dr. Stoller, in his effort to portray mRNA vaccines as “therapy” (specifically a “gene therapy”), obfuscates by saying that the recombinant proteins made by the vaccines “presumably” will “stop, prevent or modulate the infection in question”. First, there’s no “presumably” about it; the mRNA vaccines work. Second, the goal is to prevent severe disease from the infection by provoking an immune response and providing “immune memory”, so that the immune system, when encountering SARS-CoV-2 again, will be able to rapidly ramp up a response to shut the virus down before it can cause disease. That’s how all vaccines designed to prevent viral diseases work! There’s nothing special about the COVID-19 vaccines in that aspect, Dr. Stoller’s risibly feverish effort to suggest otherwise notwithstanding. Note further how he tries to redefine prevention as “treatment”:
And the Vax isn't Gene Therapy how ?
What is Gene Therapy
Human gene therapy seeks to modify or manipulate the expression of a gene or to alter the biological properties of living cells for therapeutic use 1.
Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease. Gene therapies can work by several mechanisms:
There are a variety of types of gene therapy products, including:
Human gene therapy seeks to modify or manipulate the expression of a gene or to alter the biological properties of living cells for therapeutic use 1.
Gene therapy is a technique that modifies a person’s genes to treat or cure disease. Gene therapies can work by several mechanisms:
- Replacing a disease-causing gene with a healthy copy of the gene
- Inactivating a disease-causing gene that is not functioning properly
- Introducing a new or modified gene into the body to help treat a disease
There are a variety of types of gene therapy products, including:
- Plasmid DNA: Circular DNA molecules can be genetically engineered to carry therapeutic genes into human cells.
- Viral vectors: Viruses have a natural ability to deliver genetic material into cells, and therefore some gene therapy products are derived from viruses. Once viruses have been modified to remove their ability to cause infectious disease, these modified viruses can be used as vectors (vehicles) to carry therapeutic genes into human cells.
- Bacterial vectors: Bacteria can be modified to prevent them from causing infectious disease and then used as vectors (vehicles) to carry therapeutic genes into human tissues.
- Human gene editing technology: The goals of gene editing are to disrupt harmful genes or to repair mutated genes.
- Patient-derived cellular gene therapy products: Cells are removed from the patient, genetically modified (often using a viral vector) and then returned to the patient.