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GURPS

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Pope Francis warns of destruction of Earth's ecosystem in leaked encyclical

Vatican condemns early release of document in which pontiff calls on people to change their lifestyles and energy consumption or face grave consequences



Francis also called for a new global political authority tasked with “tackling … the reduction of pollution and the development of poor countries and regions”. His appeal echoed that of his predecessor, pope Benedict XVI, who in a 2009 encyclical proposed a kind of super-UN to deal with the world’s economic problems and injustices.

According to the lengthy draft, which was obtained and published by L’Espresso magazine, the Argentinean pope will align himself with the environmental movement and its objectives. While accepting that there may be some natural causes of global warming, the pope will also state that climate change is mostly a man-made problem.

“Humanity is called to take note of the need for changes in lifestyle and changes in methods of production and consumption to combat this warming, or at least the human causes that produce and accentuate it,” he wrote in the draft. “Numerous scientific studies indicate that the greater part of the global warming in recent decades is due to the great concentration of greenhouse gases … given off above all because of human activity.”

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At the start of the draft essay, the pope wrote, the Earth “is protesting for the wrong that we are doing to her, because of the irresponsible use and abuse of the goods that God has placed on her. We have grown up thinking that we were her owners and dominators, authorised to loot her. The violence that exists in the human heart, wounded by sin, is also manifest in the symptoms of illness that we see in the Earth, the water, the air and in living things.”



nice earth worship from the Pope ... does not sound like the Christianity I grew up with
 
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onel0126

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While personally I wish the Holy See would stay out of the environmental arena, I don't think it's a stretch to say that sensible environmental stewardship is not out of the realm of Christianity.
 
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Monello

Smarter than the average bear
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I wonder if he will mention that we need to stop immunizing people from deadly diseases. Less people on the planet would ease the environmental burden. Perhaps ease the restrictions on contraceptives and advocate people only have enough children that they can care for financially.
 

Bird Dog

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I wonder if he will mention that we need to stop immunizing people from deadly diseases. Less people on the planet would ease the environmental burden. Perhaps ease the restrictions on contraceptives and advocate people only have enough children that they can care for financially.

Not in your lifetime.....

Why don't we just start killing them all. It would be faster.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
That's a bit of a stretch. If I call my car "she" am I worshiping it?

I think we should start with the retirees. They're a waste of oxygen.

good stewardship of the planet and its resources are one thing ...... this is just plain wired
it is a planet, not a woman
.... same chit the tree hugging hippies do Gaia worship


Gaia or Gaea, known as Earth or Mother Earth (the Greek common noun for "land" is ge or ga). She was an early earth goddess and it is written that Gaia was born from Chaos, the great void of emptiness within the universe, and with her came Eros. She gave birth to Pontus (the Sea) and Uranus (the Sky).Mar 3, 1997


http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/mar/30/james-lovelock-environmentalism-religion
 
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frogman123

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You are hung up on the Pope calling earth a "she"? Wow. I think you missed the ENTIRE point of the story and don't fully grasp that this is a big deal for the Pope to take a stance. But hey, that would go against your crazy rhetoric and we can't be having that!
 

b23hqb

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That's a bit of a stretch. If I call my car "she" am I worshiping it?




I think we should start with the retirees. They're a waste of oxygen.

How about we just grandfather in the retirees who have already reached that exalted status, and just eliminate, say, 15 years from today back all those who would be eligible to retire any time after today? Not only would that save a lot of oxygen, but would eliminate all the hot air belching from them, subsequently cooling the planet.
 
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Chuckt

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While personally I wish the Holy See would stay out of the environmental arena, I don't think it's a stretch to say that sensible environmental stewardship is not out of the realm of Christianity.

I am forced to buy products that are poorly made, they break and they go bad so we have to constantly throw products out.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
You are hung up on the Pope calling earth a "she"? Wow. I think you missed the ENTIRE point of the story and don't fully grasp that this is a big deal for the Pope to take a stance. But hey, that would go against your crazy rhetoric and we can't be having that!

wtf are going on about
 

Radiant1

Soul Probe
good stewardship of the planet and its resources are one thing ...... this is just plain wired
it is a planet, not a woman
.... same chit the tree hugging hippies do Gaia worship

You didn't answer my question. If I call my car "she" am I worshiping it?
 
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Chuckt

Guest
You didn't answer the question either.

If giving more importance to a non-living object worship? It all depends on the definition being used and a case could be made upon the actual definitions.
Only you and God knows.
I know what I know.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Ecology Theology


I am not Catholic and I am not overly concerned about Pope Francis’s encyclical. But even us Protestants should remember that the Bible does have an ecology theology in it.

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Remember though Gen 8:22: “While the earth remains, seedtime and harvest, cold and heat, summer and winter, day and night, shall not cease.”

Arguably this makes the case against global warming as something we must genuinely fret about. We have to be responsible, but remember we are to have dominion. We do not serve the earth. The earth serves us. We are to take care of it as a master is to take care of his servant. That means we must not abuse it, but that does not prohibit us from commanding it.

Christians, according to John Stott, should avoid the extremes of deification of the planet and the full exploitation of the planet. We should be concerned about excessive waste disposal, deforestation, etc. Yes, we should recycle when we can. What we should not be concerned with is the idea that we will destroy ourselves or the planet. That is not so and the Bible contradicts that. The end of civilization comes when the return of our Lord Jesus to create the new heavens and the new earth, not with mankind creating artificial intelligence that exterminates us, or wiping ourselves out through environmental catastrophe, etc. The people who have set the world up as our god are idol worshippers.

Christians should show their care of the planet through their care of each other and their faithful stewardship of world resources.
 

b23hqb

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Doesn't matter here. If the pope didn't say it, it doesn't exist. I do like how dUde tied into anti abortion.
 
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Chuckt

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Will the pope sway Catholics on climate change? Not if evangelicals are any indication.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...hange-not-if-evangelicals-are-any-indication/

Evangelicals have been there, tried that. Didn't work...

The minority cannot change climate change because you would have to adopt a one child per family policy in the world and what you would be doing is saving the resources of the world for the rich; make sure there are enough resources for the rich so they don't have to wait in line and so forth.
 
Will the pope sway Catholics on climate change? Not if evangelicals are any indication.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs...hange-not-if-evangelicals-are-any-indication/

Evangelicals have been there, tried that. Didn't work...

The minority cannot change climate change because you would have to adopt a one child per family policy in the world and what you would be doing is saving the resources of the world for the rich; make sure there are enough resources for the rich so they don't have to wait in line and so forth.

Hmm, methinks your rationalizations just might be bordering on the clinical insane...
 
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