Pope John Paul II one step closer...

[onel0126]

So, in other words, you believe that the Vatican and papal authority was an office granted by Jesus and that the RCC is the exclusive dispenser and official interpreter of the Truth of God and that Peter was bestowed the position as first "pope"? And, Mary reigns as "Queen of Heaven"?

I will say this, "why not?" If we "believe" that a poor virgin teenager was chosen to give birth to the savior of the world, that a group of men were inspired to write things down, that another group of men decided which writings were "inspired" enough to make the cut all being inspired by the HS, then can you prove that the Pope(s) is/were not inspired? Yeah, I know, it isn't in the New Testament. Where there was once one Church, there are now 30 some odd thousand protestant denominations alone with their own versions of Popes.

 

[PsyOps]

Where there was once one Church, there are now 30 some odd thousand protestant denominations alone with their own versions of Popes.

One church? Are you sure?

Perhaps you should read Revelation 2 and 3.

 

[Bavarian]

So, in other words, you believe that the Vatican and papal authority was an office granted by Jesus and that the RCC is the exclusive dispenser and official interpreter of the Truth of God and that Peter was bestowed the position as first "pope"? And, Mary reigns as "Queen of Heaven"?

Yes I do, Extra Eclesia, nulla salus!

 

[onel0126]

One church? Are you sure?

Perhaps you should read Revelation 2 and 3.

You know what I meant.

 

[Starman3000m]

I will say this, "why not?" If we "believe" that a poor virgin teenager was chosen to give birth to the savior of the world, that a group of men were inspired to write things down, that another group of men decided which writings were "inspired" enough to make the cut all being inspired by the HS, then can you prove that the Pope(s) is/were not inspired? Yeah, I know, it isn't in the New Testament. Where there was once one Church, there are now 30 some odd thousand protestant denominations alone with their own versions of Popes.

Sorry, papal authority, purgatory, prayers to saints, Mary's perpetual virginity and elevation to Mediatix and Queen of Heaven, sinful men being able to forgive others are not fundamental teachings of the 1st century church. They have been added by the RCC .
I stand by my personal faith in the New Testament Jesus: There Is Only One Truth

 

[Dixie]

The Church declaring Pope John Paul II Blessed due to a miracle attributed to him is not what puts him in Heaven. God put him in Heaven and the miracles are God's way of telling us that a particular person is in Heaven, in this case Pope John Paul II.
Now if only Pope Pius XII could be canonized.

Mary let's a lot of souls into Heaven as no Son can say no to His Mother. I will continue to pray to Mary, say the Rosary and wear my scapular. I will also pray to certain Saints, Blesseds, and Venerables for special needs. I also pray to God.

I'm rather fond of Saint Jude myself.

 

[libby]

Earlier in the thread, SM, it was suggested that you read what the early church fathers wrote and believed.
I'd like to know where all the writings are of the early "sola scriptura" fathers can be found. Surely while Rome was gaining power and influence (if history is as you say it is) there were good people like you writing to the various churches/faithful to warn them about Rome and the papists, right?

 

[Starman3000m]

Earlier in the thread, SM, it was suggested that you read what the early church fathers wrote and believed.
I'd like to know where all the writings are of the early "sola scriptura" fathers can be found. Surely while Rome was gaining power and influence (if history is as you say it is) there were good people like you writing to the various churches/faithful to warn them about Rome and the papists, right?

Yes, matter of fact, Jesus and the Apostles began warning of false teachings that were already beginning to deceive early followers of Christ:


But I fear, lest by any means, as the serpent beguiled Eve through his subtilty, so your minds should be corrupted from the simplicity that is in Christ. For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.
For I suppose I was not a whit behind the very chiefest apostles.
(2 Corinthians 11:3-5)


But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction. (2 Peter 2:1)


Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works? And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity. (Matthew 7:22-23)


Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye devour widows' houses, and for a pretence make long prayer: therefore ye shall receive the greater damnation. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye compass sea and land to make one proselyte, and when he is made, ye make him twofold more the child of hell than yourselves. (Matthew 23:14-15)

And then if any man shall say to you, Lo, here is Christ; or, lo, he is there; believe him not: For false Christs and false prophets shall rise, and shall shew signs and wonders, to seduce, if it were possible, even the elect.
But take ye heed: behold, I have foretold you all things. (Mark 13:22-23)

Woe unto you, when all men shall speak well of you! for so did their fathers to the false prophets. (Luke 6:26)

This is just for starters!

 

[Bavarian]

And you, Starman, are one of those False Prophets!

 

[thatguy]

And you, Starman, are one of those False Prophets!

here here !!!!!!

 

[Starman3000m]

And you, Starman, are one of those False Prophets!

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
(Galatians 4:16)

There Is Only One Truth.

 

[Bavarian]

Am I therefore become your enemy, because I tell you the truth?
(Galatians 4:16)

There Is Only One Truth.

Satan and his devils try to look normal and say they have the truth, maybe you need an exorcism!

 

[Starman3000m]

Satan and his devils try to look normal and say they have the truth, maybe you need an exorcism!

John the Baptist was accused of much the same:
For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. (Luke 7:33)

And this is what the "religious leaders" said of Jesus:
And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
(John 10:20)

You are treading on dangerous waters here Bavarian. If what I say is false, then God shall judge me for it. However, if what I present is the Truth of God as led by the ministry and guidance of His Holy Spirit, then the Truths are not my words but the solid and foundational Truths of God as written in the Holy Bible. Jesus cautioned those who make the claim that you have just done. It is the only non-forgiveable sin to claim that any work of the Holy Spirit is of the devil.

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: (Mark 3:28-29)

I personally forgive your accusations, but in this case, specifically, please
reflect on what you say with extreme caution as this is a serious matter and turn this over to God to sort this out within your spirit.

 

[thatguy]

John the Baptist was accused of much the same:
For John the Baptist came neither eating bread nor drinking wine; and ye say, He hath a devil. (Luke 7:33)

And this is what the "religious leaders" said of Jesus:
And many of them said, He hath a devil, and is mad; why hear ye him?
(John 10:20)

You are treading on dangerous waters here Bavarian. If what I say is false, then God shall judge me for it. However, if what I present is the Truth of God as led by the ministry and guidance of His Holy Spirit, then the Truths are not my words but the solid and foundational Truths of God as written in the Holy Bible. Jesus cautioned those who make the claim that you have just done. It is the only non-forgiveable sin to claim that any work of the Holy Spirit is of the devil.

Verily I say unto you, All sins shall be forgiven unto the sons of men, and blasphemies wherewith soever they shall blaspheme: But he that shall blaspheme against the Holy Ghost hath never forgiveness, but is in danger of eternal damnation: (Mark 3:28-29)

I personally forgive your accusations, but in this case, specifically, please
refelect on what you say with extreme caution as this is a serious matter and turn this over to God to sort on within your spirit.

you are the one trading on dangerous ground, comparing yourself to john the baptist, claiming to know the unknown, and proporting to be the voice of god himself.

yep, sounding more and more like a false prophet

maybe you should heed your own advice and let god make judgement on others beliefs and faith

 

[Starman3000m]

you are the one trading on dangerous ground, comparing yourself to john the baptist, claiming to know the unknown, and proporting to be the voice of god himself.

yep, sounding more and more like a false prophet

maybe you should heed your own advice and let god make judgement on others beliefs and faith

The Holy Bible is the Standard which separates Truth from error. This is where one finds the truthful accounts of who the real Jesus is.

The RCC Jesus, Marian teachings, purgatory, etc. are not from the New Testament teachings.

There Is Only One Truth.

 

[thatguy]

The Holy Bible is the Standard which separates Truth from error. This is where one finds the truthful accounts of who the real Jesus is.

The RCC Jesus, Marian teachings, purgatory, etc. are not from the New Testament teachings.

There Is Only One Truth.

so says the MAN who represents himself as all knowing and judge of all religions

 

[Starman3000m]

so says the MAN who represents himself as all knowing and judge of all religions

By the Grace of God, my soul was saved through faith in the New Testament Jesus Christ; it's my concern for the souls of others that they come to know that Truth as well.

There Is Only One Truth:
Jesus said this of Himself: I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

 

[thatguy]

By the Grace of God, my soul was saved through faith in the New Testament Jesus Christ; it's my concern for the souls of others that they come to know that Truth as well.

There Is Only One Truth:
Jesus said this of Himself: I am the way, the truth, and the life: no man cometh unto the Father, but by me. (John 14:6)

yeah, and you chose to ignore the 'judge not' and 'let he who is without sin' parts.
YOU ARE NOT THE JUDGE OF ANYONE'S RELIGION EXCEPT FOR YOUR OWN

 

[Bavarian]

It is very interesting that you, Starman, assume your intrepretation of the Bible, (assembled by the Catholic Church) is the only one. It is you that do not want others to follow other intrepretations, either their own or ones of theologians who devote their lives investigating scripture in light of Tradition.

You take every thread on this forum and turn it into a Catholic bashing orgy.
Remember, the topic is on the Beatification of Pope John Paul II. Why don't you follow your own words and leave those of us with Faith, maybe sl;ightly different then yours, alone.

Or, do you like to argue in circles, "I'm right, your wrong" without considering other intrepretations of the Bible, both Old and New Testament. Instead of arguing, open your mind and hear others.

 

[MrZ06]

Don't you have to perform a miricle to become a saint? What miricle did the pope perform?