Positive Behavior Management

pelers

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So last night I hit up the class put on by the Judy Center about "positive behavior management" for children up to 5 years old. I thought it was some really good stuff and hopefully I'll be able to put a lot of the changes into practice.

We've been having major problems with shrieking, hitting and kicking lately. He shrieks at everything and nothing at all. We've tried telling him no shrieking, we've tried time outs, swats to the bum, ignoring him... nothing has made the least bit of difference. Same with the hitting and kicking. Smack his hands/feet, tell him no, time outs, etc.

Something that was mentioned in the class was that rather than telling them "No! Don't do *whatever*!" to try and tell them something they COULD do instead. It's like telling somebody to not think of a purple elephant, you instantly start thinking of that purple elephant. Same thing when you tell them not to do something. So when he shrieks, try saying something like "Let's use our inside voices" or some other behavior you'd prefer them to exhibit. With hitting use examples of nice things that can be done with hands, same with the kicking.

Another thing they suggested for kids that act out physically like that is to make a "Stomping Square". Use some painter's tape and section off a small square somewhere. Draw some footprints inside of it and then when they get angry about something you can direct them to that square where they can stomp and rage until they get it all out. Just creating safe spaces for getting anger and frustration out.

Some other things I'm going to try and do are to start implementing more firm routines. We kind of have a routine, but with me taking night classes (one more night and then I'm DONE! :yahoo:) and the hubby having bowling, things tend to be rather half-assed at times. Naptime has been based on when he starts acting like a PITA. Bedtime is time based. We'll try creating a routine to build up to those things, clearly outlining it to him ("We're going to do this, and then this, and then we're going to lay down and take a nap.") that way he knows what is coming.

A lot of good information from the class, and I'm really glad I went. Hoping they put it on again so I can ship the hubby off to it.
 
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KDENISE977

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So last night I hit up the class put on by the Judy Center about "positive behavior management" for children up to 5 years old. I thought it was some really good stuff and hopefully I'll be able to put a lot of the changes into practice.

We've been having major problems with shrieking, hitting and kicking lately. He shrieks at everything and nothing at all. We've tried telling him no shrieking, we've tried time outs, swats to the bum, ignoring him... nothing has made the least bit of difference. Same with the hitting and kicking. Smack his hands/feet, tell him no, time outs, etc.

Something that was mentioned in the class was that rather than telling them "No! Don't do <whatever>!" to try and tell them something they COULD do instead. It's like telling somebody to not think of a purple elephant, you instantly start thinking of that purple elephant. Same thing when you tell them not to do something. So when he shrieks, try saying something like "Let's use our inside voices" or some other behavior you'd prefer them to exhibit. With hitting use examples of nice things that can be done with hands, same with the kicking.

Another thing they suggested for kids that act out physically like that is to make a "Stomping Square". Use some painter's tape and section off a small square somewhere. Draw some footprints inside of it and then when they get angry about something you can direct them to that square where they can stomp and rage until they get it all out. Just creating safe spaces for getting anger and frustration out.

Some other things I'm going to try and do are to start implementing more firm routines. We kind of have a routine, but with me taking night classes (one more night and then I'm DONE! :yahoo:) and the hubby having bowling, things tend to be rather half-assed at times. Naptime has been based on when he starts acting like a PITA. Bedtime is time based. We'll try creating a routine to build up to those things, clearly outlining it to him ("We're going to do this, and then this, and then we're going to lay down and take a nap.") that way he knows what is coming.

A lot of good information from the class, and I'm really glad I went. Hoping they put it on again so I can ship the hubby off to it.

I am good at some routine, not so much at others. Bedtime is more like when he falls asleep, we usually try to get him to lay down at like 6:30-7:00 (we are up at 5 a.m.). Showers/bathtime/brush teeth is pretty good. Mornings are pretty good for school days. Bedtime is our enemy. Naptimes are usually the same at school every day so on the weekends he's out from 1:00-3:00.
 

Sweet 16

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Children need security to feel....secure. And there is security in routines, meaning the same time every night (or at least every week night) for nap time, dinner, playtime, bath and bedtime. Naps and bedtime should be time-based, not when they act sleepy -- by then they are too far gone and probably won't settle down anyway. If it means mommy and daddy have to make sacrifices (such as giving up their bowling league or weekend shopping sprees) until the critters are older, then so be it. Easier said than done but having children is about making sacrifices. I can't stand going to the store and seeing some sleepy toddler caterwauling and throwing a tantrum because its mother is too self-absorbed to realize that the kid just needs a nap!
 

Rt235

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Yup...routine=security=safe. Alter the routine and the childs whole world is turned upside down and they act out in reaction to the feelings they cant describe.
Good Luck!:howdy:
 

doubtfull24

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So last night I hit up the class put on by the Judy Center about "positive behavior management" for children up to 5 years old. I thought it was some really good stuff and hopefully I'll be able to put a lot of the changes into practice.

We've been having major problems with shrieking, hitting and kicking lately. He shrieks at everything and nothing at all. We've tried telling him no shrieking, we've tried time outs, swats to the bum, ignoring him... nothing has made the least bit of difference. Same with the hitting and kicking. Smack his hands/feet, tell him no, time outs, etc.

Something that was mentioned in the class was that rather than telling them "No! Don't do <whatever>!" to try and tell them something they COULD do instead. It's like telling somebody to not think of a purple elephant, you instantly start thinking of that purple elephant. Same thing when you tell them not to do something. So when he shrieks, try saying something like "Let's use our inside voices" or some other behavior you'd prefer them to exhibit. With hitting use examples of nice things that can be done with hands, same with the kicking.

Another thing they suggested for kids that act out physically like that is to make a "Stomping Square". Use some painter's tape and section off a small square somewhere. Draw some footprints inside of it and then when they get angry about something you can direct them to that square where they can stomp and rage until they get it all out. Just creating safe spaces for getting anger and frustration out.

Some other things I'm going to try and do are to start implementing more firm routines. We kind of have a routine, but with me taking night classes (one more night and then I'm DONE! :yahoo:) and the hubby having bowling, things tend to be rather half-assed at times. Naptime has been based on when he starts acting like a PITA. Bedtime is time based. We'll try creating a routine to build up to those things, clearly outlining it to him ("We're going to do this, and then this, and then we're going to lay down and take a nap.") that way he knows what is coming.

A lot of good information from the class, and I'm really glad I went. Hoping they put it on again so I can ship the hubby off to it.

Awesome thanks for sharing will look it up and see when or if they have another class! We have a daily routine for the most part unless something comes up and we have to break it such is life things happen just gotta try again the next day. I am currently working on trying to get little man to nap on his own. I have always rocked him the same time everyday then lay him down. However he is getting way to old and heavy for this. So today I rocked him until he was almost asleep then put him in the crib.He rolled around and talked and played but after and hour he finally went to sleep.
 

doubtfull24

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Children need security to feel....secure. And there is security in routines, meaning the same time every night (or at least every week night) for nap time, dinner, playtime, bath and bedtime. Naps and bedtime should be time-based, not when they act sleepy -- by then they are too far gone and probably won't settle down anyway. If it means mommy and daddy have to make sacrifices (such as giving up their bowling league or weekend shopping sprees) until the critters are older, then so be it. Easier said than done but having children is about making sacrifices. I can't stand going to the store and seeing some sleepy toddler caterwauling and throwing a tantrum because its mother is too self-absorbed to realize that the kid just needs a nap!

You know what sometimes things happen and you can't stick to a routine 24/7 doesn't make you a bad parent or selfish imo!
 

pelers

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What sort of routines do you all do to build up to naptime? I need to chat with his daycare provider tonight and find out what she does.
 

KDENISE977

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What sort of routines do you all do to build up to naptime? I need to chat with his daycare provider tonight and find out what she does.

Naps, like on the weekends? We usually have a set time where we beat his butt until he stops wiggling... JOKE !! We turn on the tv and both lay on the sofa on the weekends till he falls asleep.
 

drivingdaisy

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Sometimes its helpful to let children have choices in things they don't have a choice about doing... like they don't have a choice about whether they nap or not, but they could have (limited choices) on maybe where they nap, what they nap with, etc.

I just read the book Bringing up Bebe about an American mother's take on French parenting. I found it very interesting. People have a lot of critiques about what they perceive as French parenting, but some of the things mentioned seemed worth trying. Now I've become a little obsessed with the different ways different cultures go about parenting. Its amazing how different between cultures it is.
 

drivingdaisy

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Children need security to feel....secure. And there is security in routines, meaning the same time every night (or at least every week night) for nap time, dinner, playtime, bath and bedtime. Naps and bedtime should be time-based, not when they act sleepy -- by then they are too far gone and probably won't settle down anyway. If it means mommy and daddy have to make sacrifices (such as giving up their bowling league or weekend shopping sprees) until the critters are older, then so be it. Easier said than done but having children is about making sacrifices. I can't stand going to the store and seeing some sleepy toddler caterwauling and throwing a tantrum because its mother is too self-absorbed to realize that the kid just needs a nap!

This seems a little harsh. I believe in routines. I was the routine queen when I was teaching and I agree they are great for helping children get through the day. But if dad's one me time thing is his bowling league, he should be allowed to do it. Parents have needs and wants too. I think parents who have a little adult/me time make better parents because they are probably happier parents. (Of course some people might be happy spending all the time with their kids and that's fine too, IF they are happy.)

Pelers-It sounds like things have been changing in your house and you're still trying to find your balance. Try some things and stick with them for at least a week. If they work, keep them. If not, try something else. Besides by the time you find something that works fantastic for a child's behavior, 50% of the time it will be ineffective in 2 weeks. haha.
 

somdnanny1

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When I was nannying, as it came closer for nap time, I'd start a bit of a routine. 20 minutes before, the tv or music went off so that they didn't have that stimulation. Then it was time for diaper changes, so that they didn't get wound up closer to nap time. Then I started cleaning up and encouraging the children to help clean up and say good night to their toys. Then we settled into a chair and read a short book, then it was to their room and into bed or crib, tucked in with their blanket, shade pulled, I slowly backed out and gently closed the door. Sometimes they wouldn't nap but they had to do their rest period for their general nap length in their room with their quiet less stimulating toys. Sometimes I had the children out and they would fall asleep in the carseats on the way back to the house, that was fine, it just meant they went in and straight to nap, not lunch, not playtime, just continuing their nap so that they got their full nap period and all the rest that they needed.
 

pelers

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Pelers-It sounds like things have been changing in your house and you're still trying to find your balance. Try some things and stick with them for at least a week. If they work, keep them. If not, try something else. Besides by the time you find something that works fantastic for a child's behavior, 50% of the time it will be ineffective in 2 weeks. haha.

Yeah, things have been changing a bit. Fortunately my night classes are now DONE! :yahoo: Something else they mentioned in that class was that it takes about 21 days for a habit to fully form, and to gradually introduce things (such as a complete overhaul in the bedtime routine).
 

KDENISE977

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Yeah, things have been changing a bit. Fortunately my night classes are now DONE! :yahoo: Something else they mentioned in that class was that it takes about 21 days for a habit to fully form, and to gradually introduce things (such as a complete overhaul in the bedtime routine).

This is what we're doing now, getting ready to introduce a new room and new toddler bed intro... baby steps.
 

pelers

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Things are progressing! I think we have less shrieking/hitting/kicking. Bedtimes are going much smoother. Last night he even crawled up into my lap for story time (usually he runs around his room like a hooligan).

I've had him start doing a few "chores" including throwing his own dirty diapers away and "helping" me with the dishes.
 

KDENISE977

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Things are progressing! I think we have less shrieking/hitting/kicking. Bedtimes are going much smoother. Last night he even crawled up into my lap for story time (usually he runs around his room like a hooligan).

I've had him start doing a few "chores" including throwing his own dirty diapers away and "helping" me with the dishes.

My son loves to throw things away, and diapers he always says "ewwwwww" I actually have to tell him "it's okay, not that ewwwww" and bugs are "ewwwwwww" and a crumb of bread on the floor is "ewwwwww", he's a bit dramatic.
 
My son loves to throw things away, and diapers he always says "ewwwwww" I actually have to tell him "it's okay, not that ewwwww" and bugs are "ewwwwwww" and a crumb of bread on the floor is "ewwwwww", he's a bit dramatic.

My son is too... :ohwell:

He likes throwing things away... but everything is always "ewwwwww" :dead:
 

KDENISE977

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Our latest issue is "howp", "howp mommy" (help), every thing he tries to do, if he can't do it after one attempt, it's "howp mommy". Last night, he was doing one of his favorite things, which is opening up the mail and getting out that thing they send out all the coupons which he likes to spread all over the kitchen floor, then place them all back in the envelope. He gets frustrated very quickly if he can't get them back in on the first try...."howp Mommy, howp Mommy, HOWP" "mmmoooooommmmmyyyyyy (in the exorcist voice"
I try to make him attempt to do it himself but he gets all :cds::cds:
 
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