Proudly Gay and Ordained?

[2ndAmendment]

You are gasping at straws and block copying things from the Bible... No one argued that you shouldn't strive to do the will of the father... but no matter how hard you try... you are still a sinner are you not? The Lord knows a person's heart better than you or I and it will be up to HIM to judge. All you are doing is perpetuating the fact that you try to do with will of the father... who's to say gay people dont as well? but with fewer gays being Christian, you'd think you'd reach out to them insteadof condemn. You're Bible is about love 2A - not about picking apart other people's flaws. Imagine a gay person that is lost 2A... what approach do you think will better to convert gayt peopld -- you're way -- YOU are an abomination to God!!! It says so!!! Right here!!! Go away!!! You don't belong with us "perfect" sinless Christians" or -- yes... we all sin and all sin is an abomination to God, but there is hope.. hope in Jesus Christ who died for our sins. :shrug:
What are you not getting here 2A? The response you want to hear? That gay people should not even exist? We are just not getting anywhere and again, we will have to agree to disagree. You continue to use your Bible to your hearts content singling out all sinners for their sins and then berate them and condemn them and I'll continue to use mine for showing the love and compassion it teaches for ALL humanity.

What don't you understand that a repentant homosexual will not do the homosexual act again? If they are unrepentant, then they did not receive Christ in the first place. Sharing the Gospel and the Truth of the Bible is being compassionate. I would be remiss in my relationship with God to say to anyone, "Oh it's OK, God really doesn't care about that sin. We are all sinners anyway. You don't have to repent that one." Now wouldn't that be much more wrong? I would then be responsible for their continued practicing sin. I could be responsible for them going on the with the false belief. We are instructed as Christians not to do that.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Here's what I want to know: If two men agree to fornicate and they're not raping each other and they're not forcing you to be gay with them, WHO THE HE!! CARES?????

No one in hell, but God, who is in heaven, does. Matter of fact, those already in hell are cheering them on.

 

[nomoney]

okay 2a; so the fruity's will go to hell; and you won't have to share your days of eternity with all the male interior decorators of the world....you'd think you'd just let them go and be merry instead of trying to convert them all

 

[2ndAmendment]

okay 2a; so the fruity's will go to hell; and you won't have to share your days of eternity with all the male interior decorators of the world....you'd think you'd just let them go and be merry instead of trying to convert them all

The point is being missed by all those who don't want to or are blind to it. God does not want anyone to go to hell. Satan wants everyone to to go to hell. It is a Christian's duty to proclaim the word of God and the gospel, so that as many that are called will not go to hell.

It is hard for me to think that my cousin, a homosexual that died of aids, is in hell. I would rather him be in heaven. If he repented his homosexuality, maybe he is. If he didn't, whether I like it or not, he is in hell.

If, by proclaiming the word of God, the Holy Spirit snatches one more person from the grip of satan and hell to the kingdom of God, then I will take all the abuse from dems or anyone else on this board.

 

[dems4me]

What don't you understand that a repentant homosexual will not do the homosexual act again? If they are unrepentant, then they did not receive Christ in the first place. Sharing the Gospel and the Truth of the Bible is being compassionate. I would be remiss in my relationship with God to say to anyone, "Oh it's OK, God really doesn't care about that sin. We are all sinners anyway. You don't have to repent that one." Now wouldn't that be much more wrong? I would then be responsible for their continued practicing sin. I could be responsible for them going on the with the false belief. We are instructed as Christians not to do that.

2A -- maybe I'm rambling too much and you are loosing my point - all of us are sinners, no matter how may times we will repent in a lifetime... we are all born with a sin nature.

btw, you never did answer my question about the crippled person... when you see him enter church do you immediately run up to them and spout scripture to that person about how they are defiling a church :shrug:

 

[K_Jo]

It is hard for me to think that my cousin, a homosexual that died of aids, is in hell. I would rather him be in heaven. If he repented his homosexuality, maybe he is. If he didn't, whether I like it or not, he is in hell.

He's not in hell, and God's probably pizzed at you right now.

 

[dems4me]

If, by proclaiming the word of God, the Holy Spirit snatches one more person from the grip of satan and hell to the kingdom of God, then I will take all the abuse from dems or anyone else on this board.

2A -- I'll write slower this time..... you attract more flys with honey -- do you get my drift? All you are doing is alienating homosexual people from Christianity with your brow beating. Even various religions are even starting to allow and ordain ministers that are homosexual.

BTW, if you think this is abuse from me, you don't know me well...

 

[K_Jo]

2A -- All you are doing is alienating homosexual people from Christianity with your brow beating.

No he's not. They're smarter than that.

 

[2ndAmendment]

2A -- maybe I'm rambling too much and you are loosing my point - all of us are sinners, no matter how may times we will repent in a lifetime... we are all born with a sin nature.

btw, you never did answer my question about the crippled person... when you see him enter church do you immediately run up to them and spout scripture to that person about how they are defiling a church :shrug:

Why do you always post such crap to me? I have prayed for several people that are crippled. I freely accept them or homosexuals as I would accept you. I have prayed for cripples and seen them walk again. God healed them.

Yes, we are all sinners, repentant or unrepentant. If we are repentent, then we strive to obey God's will. If we are unrepentant, then, if we were to die unrepentant, we would go to hell.

 

[dems4me]

2A- It is hard for me to think that my cousin, a homosexual that died of aids, is in hell. I would rather him be in heaven. If he repented his homosexuality, maybe he is. If he didn't, whether I like it or not, he is in hell

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Are you saying he should have said... I'm sorry dear Lord I am gay and that you have made me this way from birth? Because I was born gay, I understand if you don't want me in heaven??

2A - could you have had other issues with your cousin other than him being gay? And thereby even after his death you are still trying to justify your anger and discontent with him but now using the Bible to continue your anger? Are there other unresolved issues you have with him?

 

[K_Jo]

I'm confused. Crippled people go to hell too?

 

[dems4me]

Why do you always post such crap to me? I have prayed for several people that are crippled. I freely accept them or homosexuals as I would accept you. I have prayed for cripples and seen them walk again. God healed them.

Yes, we are all sinners, repentant or unrepentant. If we are repentent, then we strive to obey God's will. If we are unrepentant, then, if we were to die unrepentant, we would go to hell.

I'm saying that Leveticus states that crippled people are not to enter a church. Not being mean and with all serious intent trying to understand you, but is hat one of those scriptures you just pick and choose from :shrug:

 

[dems4me]

I'm confused. Crippled people go to hell too?

No, I'm pointing out that the Old Testament states they are not allowed in a church for whatever reason, we will never know. Says nothing about them going to hell, just that they can't defile a church.

 

[K_Jo]

Sorry fellas...

 

[K_Jo]

No, I'm pointing out that the Old Testament states they are not allowed in a church for whatever reason, we will never know. Says nothing about them going to hell, just that they can't defile a church.

Oh. Well that makes just as much sense to me.

 

[dems4me]

Sorry fellas...

QUICK!!!!! Bring out the guillotine!!!! Don't letl them get away!!!

 

[aps45819]

I'm confused. Crippled people go to hell too?

Step away from the Dems.

 

[2ndAmendment]

No, I'm pointing out that the Old Testament states they are not allowed in a church for whatever reason, we will never know. Says nothing about them going to hell, just that they can't defile a church.

Boy have you taken that scripture out of context. This only applies to the priests of the temple.

This is the chapter.

Leviticus 21

Regulations concerning Priests

<sup id="en-NASB-3347">1</sup>Then the LORD said to Moses, "Speak to the priests, the sons of Aaron, and say to them: 'No one shall defile himself for a dead person among his people, <sup id="en-NASB-3348">2</sup>except for his relatives who are nearest to him, his mother and his father and his son and his daughter and his brother,

<sup id="en-NASB-3349">3</sup>also for his virgin sister, who is near to him because she has had no husband; for her he may defile himself.

<sup id="en-NASB-3350">4</sup>'He shall not defile himself as a relative by marriage among his people, and so profane himself.

<sup id="en-NASB-3351">5</sup>'They shall not make any baldness on their heads, nor shave off the edges of their beards, nor make any cuts in their flesh.

<sup id="en-NASB-3352">6</sup>'They shall be holy to their God and not profane the name of their God, for they present the offerings by fire to the LORD, the food of their God; so they shall be holy.

<sup id="en-NASB-3353">7</sup>'They shall not take a woman who is profaned by harlotry, nor shall they take a woman divorced from her husband; for he is holy to his God.

<sup id="en-NASB-3354">8</sup>'You shall consecrate him, therefore, for he offers the food of your God; he shall be holy to you; for I the LORD, who sanctifies you, am holy.

<sup id="en-NASB-3355">9</sup>'Also the daughter of any priest, if she profanes herself by harlotry, she profanes her father; she shall be burned with fire.

<sup id="en-NASB-3356">10</sup>'The priest who is the highest among his brothers, on whose head the anointing oil has been poured and who has been consecrated to wear the garments, shall not uncover his head nor tear his clothes;

<sup id="en-NASB-3357">11</sup>nor shall he approach any dead person, nor defile himself even for his father or his mother;

<sup id="en-NASB-3358">12</sup>nor shall he go out of the sanctuary nor profane the sanctuary of his God, for the consecration of the anointing oil of his God is on him; I am the LORD.

<sup id="en-NASB-3359">13</sup>'He shall take a wife in her virginity.

<sup id="en-NASB-3360">14</sup>'A widow, or a divorced woman, or one who is profaned by harlotry, these he may not take; but rather he is to marry a virgin of his own people,

<sup id="en-NASB-3361">15</sup>so that he will not profane his offspring among his people; for I am the LORD who sanctifies him.'"

<sup id="en-NASB-3362">16</sup>Then the LORD spoke to Moses, saying,

<sup id="en-NASB-3363">17</sup>"Speak to Aaron, saying, 'No man of your offspring throughout their generations who has a defect shall approach to offer the food of his God.

<sup id="en-NASB-3364">18</sup>'For no one who has a defect shall approach: a blind man, or a lame man, or he who has a disfigured face, or any deformed limb,

<sup id="en-NASB-3365">19</sup>or a man who has a broken foot or broken hand,

<sup id="en-NASB-3366">20</sup>or a hunchback or a dwarf, or one who has a defect in his eye or eczema or scabs or crushed testicles.

<sup id="en-NASB-3367">21</sup>'No man among the descendants of Aaron the priest who has a defect is to come near to offer the LORD'S offerings by fire; since he has a defect, he shall not come near to offer the food of his God.

<sup id="en-NASB-3368">22</sup>'He may eat the food of his God, both of the most holy and of the holy,

<sup id="en-NASB-3369">23</sup>only he shall not go in to the veil or come near the altar because he has a defect, so that he will not profane My sanctuaries. For I am the LORD who sanctifies them.'"

<sup id="en-NASB-3370">24</sup>So Moses spoke to Aaron and to his sons and to all the sons of Israel.

 

[2ndAmendment]

Oh. Well that makes just as much sense to me.

Dems was very, very wrong on this.

 

[dems4me]

Oh. Well that makes just as much sense to me.

exactly... some laws were put in place back then for reasons we will never know... such as not having gay relationships (the earth was sparsly populated back then and gay people would have prohibited mans population - is my guess, just a guess)
There were laws about not having sex with a female while on her cycle... etc.... and others that didn't make sense, however in God's infinite wisdom they made sense at that time. But that is just my opinion just the same as this one- Soddom and Gomorrah I still say and insist was about rape. NO one knows all the answers.

What really gets me, is people that think they do, so much and so far as to cite everyone else's sins at a drop of a hat, cannot explain other things in the Bible. They explain only things that suit their self-rationalized beliefs. :shrug: If someone wants to compare homosexuality Romans in light of other scripture... old testament, then explain all the other statements in the old testament in light of New Testament scripture. Either you are God and know all the answers in the Bible or you don't.