Provocateur Ray Epps Demands Retraction From Fox

[David]

pro•vo•ca•teur (prəˌvɒk əˈtɜr, -ˈtʊər) n. a person who provokes trouble or incites dissension; agitator; agent provocateur.

A lawyer for Ray Epps, the man at the center of a prominent conspiracy theory about the Capitol riot, sent a letter on Thursday to the Fox News host Tucker Carlson demanding that he publicly retract his “false and defamatory statements” that Mr. Epps had worked as a government provocateur on Jan. 6, 2021, and helped to instigate the mob attack.

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While it has not been shown that he was agitating on behalf of the government or some other powerful organization, based on video showing his own words and actions, he most certainly was a provocatuer.

Read the story then watch Tucker's video to put it all in perspective:



Like the guest said, Ray was a key element in an initial NYT investigative video about Jan. 6. Then he was put on the FBI want list for his actions and the government stated that what they witnessed in the video was a crime. Then all of a sudden no charges are pressed and the NYT does an about face puff piece and scolds everyone to leave the poor man alone.

The truth has its own distinct ring and I'm just not hearing it here. Something is amiss.

Mob mentality is a known thing. Sometimes all it takes is the right spark to set things off.

 

[herb749]

Of course he was innocent of telling people we have to go into the Capitol. What .? There's video evidence of him.

He's receiving the Hunter Biden treatment. We'll get around to him someday.

 

[GURPS]

Sometimes all it takes is the right spark to set things off.

There was that Anti-FA dude as well ....

 

[HemiHauler]

Totally plausible. COINTELPRO tactics didn’t die in the 1970s. We didn’t lose control of our intelligence agencies when the fat guy ascended to the presidency. We lost control decades ago.

It’s safe to assume that BLM activities have been infiltrated as well, for example, black umbrella man and this other guy in Oakland, CA.

Undercover officer pulls gun on Oakland protesters after cover blown

Demonstrators against police violence ‘surged’ on officers amid a reported tussle

www.theguardian.com

 

[SamSpade]

Mob mentality is a known thing. Sometimes all it takes is the right spark to set things off.

Interesting. Could such a person be taken to court for inciting a riot?

You know, just like someone telling a crowd to peacefully and patriotically let the voices be heard?

 

[GURPS]

Interesting. Could such a person be taken to court for inciting a riot?

Who is John Sullivan, accused provocateur charged in Capitol riot?​

The 26-year-old competed in the 2018 Olympic trials and appeared in a 2016 commercial for Uber that’s since been made private. At one point, his Twitter page was filled with posts about fulfilling his skating dreams.

But somewhere along the way, Sullivan shifted his sights to activism.

He founded Insurgence USA, a protest group for “racial justice and police reform,” and began referring to himself as “Activist John” — filling his Twitter feeds with anti-President Trump rhetoric and posts supporting Black Lives Matter, as well as about his participation in recent protests.

He documented his day infiltrating the Jan. 6 MAGA riot on his account, @realjaydenx, posting snippets of the footage he shot on his phone of the chaos inside the Capitol building — and the fatal shooting of QAnon supporter Ashli Babbitt.

Sullivan also retweeted the numerous media stories that picked up his account of what happened that day, including Rolling Stone, which interviewed him for a story that published a day before his arrest.

 

[herb749]

So then Tucker has a part of his show dedicated to Ray Epps. If he still has access to the videos, Epps shouldn't be too hard to find.

 

[Hijinx]

Tucker may be in trouble.
Remember Ray Epps has the FBI and the Justice Department to support him.

Obviously they support him, since they haven't arrested him.
His actions were really blatant.

 

[David]

I seem to remember in a recent segment put on by Tucker where he shows that Shaman idiot walking around the capitol, there is also video shown of Epps coming into the building with the mob.

Epps shouldn't be too hard to find

The Jan 6 committee has absolved him of any liability and stated that no charges will be forthcoming. The article says Epps and his wife are in hiding because of threats against them. I wish people would stop doing this stupid crap. 1) It's wrong; and 2) it has the opposite effect that you desire, it makes you look like the bad guy.

I remember good ole G Gordon Liddy telling a story many years ago. He said that in the days of the wild, wild west, the Marshal was often the only law enforcement around for many miles. When he came upon a big out-of-control ruckus, the strategy was to observe, identify the provocateur, and then go in to the crowd and knock him on his ass and put him cuffs. The mob quickly settled down and dispersed.

 

[Ken King]

The Jan 6 committee has absolved him

Given that the Jan 6 committee did not possess the legal ability to absolve (or indict) anyone of anything, Epps certainly was not absolved.

 

[David]

Totally plausible. COINTELPRO tactics didn’t die in the 1970s.

This type of stuff has been going on since the beginning of man.

There was video on Youtube from a G20 meeting in Canada. People were protesting, peacefully. Caught on camera were 2 cops carrying rocks and dressed up like protestors. They walked right up to the police line and were promptly let in by their fellow officers.

This and also false flags, like the Nazi's Reischstag fire:

On February 27, 1933, the German parliament (Reichstag) building burned down. The Nazi leadership and its coalition partners used the fire to claim that Communists were planning a violent uprising. They claimed that emergency legislation was needed to prevent this. The resulting act, commonly known as the Reichstag Fire Decree, abolished a number of constitutional protections and paved the way for Nazi dictatorship.

The Reichstag Fire

The Nazis and their coalition partners used the burning of the Reichstag on February 27, 1933, as the pretext for emergency legislation that ultimately paved the way for Nazi dictatorship.

encyclopedia.ushmm.org

or the Gulf of Tonkin incident which further injected USA into Viet Nam:

The Gulf of Tonkin incident (Vietnamese: Sự kiện Vịnh Bắc Bộ) was an international confrontation that led to the United States engaging more directly in the Vietnam War. It involved both a proven confrontation on August 2, 1964, carried out by North Vietnamese forces in response to covert operations in the coastal region of the gulf, and a second, claimed confrontation on August 4, 1964, between North Vietnamese and United States ships in the waters of the Gulf of Tonkin. Originally American claims blamed North Vietnam for both attacks. Later investigation revealed that the second attack never happened; the American claim is that it was based mostly on erroneously interpreted communications intercepts.[5][6][7]

Gulf of Tonkin incident - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

 

[David]

Given that the Jan 6 committee did not possess the legally ability to absolve (or indict) anyone of anything, Epps certainly was not absolved.

Epps previously spoke with The New York Times about what happened on Jan. 6, and the Jan. 6 committee released a statement after is Jan 21, 2022, interview with Epps dismissing the conspiracy theories floated by other members of Congress.

Pro-Trump protester Ray Epps told Jan. 6 committee 'crazy' conspiracy theories tore apart his life

Far-right members of Congress have suggested that the Trump supporter was actually a federal plant. Epps said the attack made him "ill."

www.nbcnews.com

Absolve: set or declare (someone) free from blame, guilt, or responsibility.

You should know that if the committee concludes wrongdoing on the part of anyone subject to their investigation there would be a referral to the Justice Department, and conversely, it would be highly unlikely that Justice would prosecute anyone if the committee found no wrong doing.

While the statement from the committee may not be a 'legal' absolution in the form of what a court could do, it is certainly an absolution in that despite video evidence to the contrary, they made no accusation of guilt and no referral to Justice.

"The Select Committee is aware of unsupported claims that Ray Epps was an FBI informant based on the fact that he was on the FBI Wanted list and then was removed from that list without being charged," the committee said in a statement. "Mr. Epps informed us that he was not employed by, working with, or acting at the direction of any law enforcement agency on January 5th or 6th or at any other time, and that he has never been an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency."

Jan. 6 committee dismisses Ray Epps conspiracy theory, issues new subpoenas

The House panel said Epps, who was seen trying to egg on protesters ahead of the Jan. 6 riot, told it he was not a federal agent.

www.nbcnews.com

What I find disturbing is that the committee merely took Epp's word for it. "Oh, OK. No further questions then." The other key part of the statement is:

an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency

Legally that may be true, but why such a specific and narrow statement? Why not include "intelligence agencies" or even just ask the wide open question if he was working with "anyone." Who knows, maybe he was working with the Russians. Maybe he was just an narcissistic azzhole who wanted to play bigshot that day.

 

[David]

Here's the video of 3 police provocateurs at a protest at the G20 in Toronto, Canada in 2010 I think.



In case you don't watch the whole thing, police admitted that the 3 were their officers 3 days later after news coverage.

 

[Hijinx]

Pro-Trump protester Ray Epps told Jan. 6 committee 'crazy' conspiracy theories tore apart his life

Far-right members of Congress have suggested that the Trump supporter was actually a federal plant. Epps said the attack made him "ill."

www.nbcnews.com

You should know that if the committee concludes wrongdoing on the part of anyone subject to their investigation there would be a referral to the Justice Department, and conversely, it would be highly unlikely that Justice would prosecute anyone if the committee found no wrong doing.

While the statement from the committee may not be a 'legal' absolution in the form of what a court could do, it is certainly an absolution in that despite video evidence to the contrary, they made no accusation of guilt and no referral to Justice.

Jan. 6 committee dismisses Ray Epps conspiracy theory, issues new subpoenas

The House panel said Epps, who was seen trying to egg on protesters ahead of the Jan. 6 riot, told it he was not a federal agent.

www.nbcnews.com

What I find disturbing is that the committee merely took Epp's word for it. "Oh, OK. No further questions then." The other key part of the statement is:

an informant for the FBI or any other law enforcement agency

Legally that may be true, but why such a specific and narrow statement? Why not include "intelligence agencies" or even just ask the wide open question if he was working with "anyone." Who knows, maybe he was working with the Russians. Maybe he was just an narcissistic azzhole who wanted to play bigshot that day.

The J-6 Committee itself was wrongdoing. It was not a fair hearing by any means, it was loaded with people who were already predetermined to have the finding they wanted, and it was mainly a waste of money. And people are still languishing in prison without trial after 2 1/2 years.

 

[Ken King]

You should know that if the committee concludes wrongdoing on the part of anyone subject to their investigation there would be a referral to the Justice Department, and conversely, it would be highly unlikely that Justice would prosecute anyone if the committee found no wrong doing.

While the statement from the committee may not be a 'legal' absolution in the form of what a court could do, it is certainly an absolution in that despite video evidence to the contrary, they made no accusation of guilt and no referral to Justice.

And you should know that DOJ is not required to act upon Congressional referrals. The DOJ acts (or is supposed to act) upon evidence, like the video evidence that the J6 committee didn't watch or chose to ignore. Thus, how could Epps be absolved?

 

[herb749]

The J-6 Committee itself was wrongdoing. It was not a fair hearing by any means, it was loaded with people who were already predetermined to have the finding they wanted, and it was mainly a waste of money. And people are still languishing in prison without trial after 2 1/2 years.

Also the chairman of that committee admitted to not seeing the videos from that day until the staffers put it together to show them. Might as well say the staffers absolved Epps too.

 

[David]

Ray's dodging service of a subpoena to testify as a witness. Judge says you gotta do it in person. Is using a Drone fair ?

 

[StmarysCity79]

Ray's dodging service of a subpoena to testify as a witness. Judge says you gotta do it in person. Is using a Drone fair ?

Sounds alot like that murderous Rittenhouse kid

 

[David]

Oh, the web we weave when first we practice to deceive... So, maybe a few of the "at least 40 undercover informants" became a little overzealous and decided to help agitate things along. Makes their contribution to their employers all the more valuable.

 

[SamSpade]

Ok, it seems to me that if you were undercover and at ANY POINT tried to incite others to do something illegal - you're as guilty as anyone else.

They managed to somehow concoct a narrative that said Trump incited the crowd to riot, even without any instruction to do so, any behind the scene connection, any palpable evidence - and used that to rush through a second impeachment -

But a person on camera shouting to the crowd to rush into the Capitol -

And they're guiltless?

We have at least one person who's been in jail - and the cameras clearly show he was in the Capitol for about a whole five seconds. Was waved IN BY THE CAPITOL POLICE - and turned around and left. THAT's somehow a crime. But being undercover and trying to get a crowd to commit crimes - sorry.