You say you're a Christian and you're also a yellow-dog Democrat. How do you reconcile those two belief systems? Or do you just ignore things like homosexuality and abortion so you can still be a good Democrat?
Question for Zuchick
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zuchick
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Well I realize that Homosexuality and abortion are merely ploys to get votes.
Now vrai I have a question for the Republicans here..
How can you being Republicans stand by and watch those you supported to get into office force many of our Senior Citizens and the Disabled make the choice between Food, Housing and the Meds that keep many of us alive which forces many of us to live on the streets? You are really nailing yourown flesh and blood. And if you happen to become disabled like what happened to me, you did it to yourself.
Many of the Seniors and Disabled I know, me being one of them, pay up into the hundreds of dollars for meds each month on medications that actually keep us alive. Congress passed a Bill giving us, I think, upto 20% discount on our meds which takes effect in 2006.
How can you as Americans and Republicans support such people. Yes the Democrats tried to kill them bill in favor of one that would cover more then the one the Republicans passed.
Myself, I am living on my Social Security Disability which is less than $1000.00 a month. My wife works and also brings home less then $1000.00 a month. I take 10 prescriptions drugs a month which costs around $900.00 a month and she take about 6 different meds which costs around $600.00 a month. These are much needed drugs that keep basically keep me alive and her working.
We are paying a monthly mortgage (gotta have a place to live), auto insurance (have to have the means to get around), electric bill (gotta have light, heat/AC, cooking), phone bill (gotta call 911 when needed), TV (Gotta have something to do) and food (Gotta eat).
My wife will have to retire soon due to disability next year maybe, she will receive 1/2 of what I am getting.. Right now her Prescription Card covers all but about $300.00 a month on our meds, but when she is forced to quit work, her Prescription Card is gone and then we will have to pay full cost for both our prescriptions which will place us in a pickle of a mess or out in the streets.
Now I'm asking you, how can you support these people who are really sticking it to those of us on a fixed income?
Do you care to elaborate on that or do you not believe that there are such things as homosexuality and abortion and that the Bible specifically forbids it, yet the Democratic party does all it can to perpetuate both?
Or do you feel that God is a "yellow-dog Democrat" as well and will forgive any sin as long as it helps the Democrats get elected?
Simple - it's not my responsibility to keep you in food and healthcare, not to mention the computer you're reading this on. You should have thought of those things when you were younger and could work. Or you should have fostered a better relatioship with your children so they might help you.
Explain to me why I should take care of you with my tax dollars? Why should I have to pay for the decisions you made when you were younger that left you in poor health today?
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zuchick
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Or do you feel that God is a "yellow-dog Democrat" as well and will forgive any sin as long as it helps the Democrats get elected?
Sorry but I do not do foolish questions.. The Bible forbids asking them.
Simple - it's not my responsibility to keep you in food and healthcare, not to mention the computer you're reading this on. You should have thought of those things when you were younger and could work. Or you should have fostered a better relatioship with your children so they might help you.
Sense you are bringing up the Bible, seems like I can remember something about being your brother's keeper. But my children do help us as best they can, but they have families also and someday they may be disabled and need the same Prescription Coverage I'm speaking about. Even you will be needing it eventually if you live long enough. And about this computer.. It belongs to my youngest son. So I'm not only looking out for my children but you are well.
But I suppose it is your responsibility to send Billions of $$$ to other countrys doing for them what you would not do for yourown Countrymen.
I did think about these things while I was younger and working.. What do you think caused my health problems.. Coal Mines, Soda Ash Mines, Cotton Mills, FiberGlas Plants and Asbestos Removal.
I gave up my Health to provide not only for my children, but you and yours as well. Coal Mines for your energy and chemicals you have used, Soda Ash to treat your water, paint for your nails autos and houses, your auto and other glass products and God knows what else, Cotten Mills for your clothing so you could look and feel good, Asbestos Removal to protect you and those like you from Lung Cancer, Fiber Glas for your recreation, Autos and many more things that I am sure you have used.
So you see your do owe me something because I am one of many who have contributed my Health for your life style.
Explain to me why I should take care of you with my tax dollars? Why should I have to pay for the decisions you made when you were younger that left you in poor health today? [/QUOTE]
Simple because the decisions I made and many like me when I was younger made your life and those like you safer, easier more comfortable..
But you not only are responsible for my food and Health Care but those who faught in WWII, Korea, Vietman and now in Iraq because your tax dollars also provides for them as well, or don't you think you owe them something? Or were you in sympathy with those who were calling those wounded as they were carried down from the planes coming from Vietman Baby Killers and War Mongers?
But I guess it would be better to keep your $15.00 to $30.00 extra tax $$$ it may cost you a month to provide those of us who more or less kept you up and lost our good health doing it for you and others like you. I mean I'm sure the extra $$$ would break you.
Seems like I remember someone calling me selfish. But I'll not call you selfish, I'll let you do that with yourown words.
Cop out. Why is that a foolish question? You either follow the teachings of Jesus and the Word of God or you don't.
I'm not your keeper nor am I a Christian. Therefore Biblical laws don't apply to me.
What are we doing for foreign countries that we haven't already done here?
Good comeback. I have no retort except to say you must be glad for the new Medicare bill that....hmmm....who DID sign that, anyway?
pixiegirl
Cleopatra Jones
So what you're trying to say is that you're a democrat because the democratic platform better suits your need for healthcare coverage not because you really believe in most of the things they support. Awful self serving don't you think? Regarless of how you try to skate around it, most democrats DO support abortion and gay rights. And that's regardless of why they do it as well... For political gain or not they're still doing it. Does it make it right if they only do it for political gain but don't believe in it? Seems self serving to me as well.
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zuchick
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Yeap, the Democrats do support Abortion and Gay Rights, but I'm yet to see the Republicans do anything to change the law on either.
And self serving, but of course, what else is politics about?
You're not paying attention then. Who just signed a ban on partial-birth abortion?
*tap tap tap*
As for gays, you're not going to see any Republicans wanting to outlaw homosexuality - someone's sex life isn't any of the government's business.
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zuchick
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You know, I can see why no one answered me when I ask were there other Democrats here..
Listen, you vote your conscience and I'll vote mine.. You asked, I answered.. For me, enough said.
pixiegirl
Cleopatra Jones
I wasn't trying to bust you chops or anything just see if I was correct.
I don't see politics as a completely self serving thing. That's just me though. I'm a single mother with a dead beat for an ex husband. Being a democrat would actual suit me in my situation much better but I also feel that it teaches people such as my ex husband not to take care of their own responsibilities because someone else will clean up your messes after you if you don't.
The man I plan on marrying one day is a federal fire fighter. He doesn't make much money at all. It's sad to say the least. But we realize we have to do what we have to do right now to ensure that we're taken care of later. That means putting money in our retirements now and doing with a little less when it comes to having a big house and fancy cars and such. That's the way life works and I know that we can't and in my opinion shouldn't have to depend on the support of other people.
But like I said before I'm not busting your chops I guess I just look at things through a different point of view.
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zuchick
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This I have no problem with answering...
I do not hold to Abortion in any shape, form or fashion.. It is out-n-out Murder no two ways about it. It is my stance that people have the right to do as they feel the need for themselves and those they love, but the Abortion does not allow the protection of the fathers rights of the rights of the unborn child. So I support Individual Rights as long as all the individuals are considered.. I personally think that loose and immoral women who have problems keeping their pants on control the rights of the father and the unborn child.. God Willing someday we will wake up..
But the woman who has the abortion, the doctor of whoever preforms it should be held accountable for murder in this lifetime because in the next lifetime, I know beyond any doubt they will be accountable. However this does not exclude the man's role in creating a child.. I believe he should also be placed in jail, have his wings clipped and held as accountable as the mother who has the abortion..
However I have not seen any contentions in Congress regarding the Morning After Pill.
I wish you and your Husband to be the best of luck and a lifetime of happiness as it should be. I also pray that neither one of you will ever have to rely upon Social Security Disability, but if you do and I was able to work, I would have no problems paying the extra bit of Taxes to help you out.. But basically I believe the difference between the Republicans and the Democrats is the Republicans would rather have the extra $30.00 or $40.00 a month it would take to provide for those who are unable to provide for themselves and the Democrats have no problem with helping.
Like the Tax Give Back Bush pushed for last year or year before last. Where most got back $600.00 which they most likely Squirreld back into their savings, the give back took away the Nations Surplus, placed us into deficit and merely made him look good when really all he did was to give back what his father took after he said, "READ MY LIPS". $600.00 ain't alot of money to most, but it was enough to keep the US in the Black.
I admire you for striving to overcome the adversities placed on you by your husband.. My Heart and Prayers go out to you.
There are plenty of Democrats in here. The question you asked was were there any other folks who unswervingly vote Democrat based on the party affiliation alone. Most people won't admit to something like that.
I had hoped for a more meaningful conversation about why you are a complete party animal. The answer you gave me was, "Because."
You tried to say it was all about your personal health needs. I pointed out that Republicans are fixing you up, not Democrats.
You've expressed Christian beliefs. I reminded you that Republicans value those beliefs, not Democrats.
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Bruzilla
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I'm an Agnostic and don't follow any religious convictions, so I was wondering one of you could elaborate on the "Be your brother's keeper" remark? I have no problem with looking out for my brother's welfare, or anyone else in my family for that matter. I think that families should look out for one another. But does it say in the bible that each of us is responsible for all of mankind? Why am I on the hook for every drug-addicted, pregnant, unemployed, alcoholic with a criminal record that comes along? Seems to me that folks back in biblical times had different solutions besides entitlement programs for these people... things like exhile, banishment, stoning, crucifiction, etc.
Crabby Old Lady
Knit picking
Re: Re: Question for Zuchick
from your post on foriengers and taxes:
It ain't the Immigrants you got to watch for, it is the IRS.
When you think about it, the US Government get every penny earned by the Citizens of the US.
Say you bought a piece of wood cost you $10.00
Sales Tax, State Tax, Federal Tax, Import Tax if it did not come from the US.
Say the retailer made $1.00 from that piece of wood.
State Tax, Federal Tax, Import Tax if it did not come from the US
The retailer who paid $.80 on every $1.00 to their employes who paid the Sales Tax, State Tax, Federal Tax whose $.20 was left. Now, we have 5 cents that was spent on improvements to make their business more effecient which was tax deductable that was paid to the company who did made the improvements who bought materials that went into the improvements who also paid the employees who then paid Sales, State and Federal Tax. This could go on and on and on for days.
Now we have 15 cents left, but I forgot the 5 cents to more over head that when out to pay for services whose company that provided those services who bought materials and paid their employees who paid Sales, State and Federal Tax.
Now we have 10 cents that was split up and claimed as Net Profit and can't forget the Dividends that were paid out that both would eventually be spent for some reason or another.
Ya gotta admit, Uncle Sam has some racket..
The only way to stop Uncle Sam from getting you money is to either make yourown or take what little you have left, place it into a Mason Jar and bury it somewhere in your back yard.
Soooo, if you work, your income will eventually be will pay out in taxes.
In the US you can not even die and get out of paying taxes or costing tax dollars..
Face facts, every penney earned and saved legally will eventually be spent by someone in the US and will eventually end up on the Ledgers of the IRS somewhere wheither it is the State or the Federal IRS Ledgers.
Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.. Free to pay taxes and Brave is you dare not to.
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Hmmm sounds like you are a little confused, either you want us to pay to support you by more taxes or you want us not to pay taxes at all. Which one is it? Why the mixed feelings? I would think you would want us to pay more so you could have a payraise!Gee I wonder why taxes are so high, any clues?
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from your post on foriengers and taxes:
It ain't the Immigrants you got to watch for, it is the IRS.
When you think about it, the US Government get every penny earned by the Citizens of the US.
Say you bought a piece of wood cost you $10.00
Sales Tax, State Tax, Federal Tax, Import Tax if it did not come from the US.
Say the retailer made $1.00 from that piece of wood.
State Tax, Federal Tax, Import Tax if it did not come from the US
The retailer who paid $.80 on every $1.00 to their employes who paid the Sales Tax, State Tax, Federal Tax whose $.20 was left. Now, we have 5 cents that was spent on improvements to make their business more effecient which was tax deductable that was paid to the company who did made the improvements who bought materials that went into the improvements who also paid the employees who then paid Sales, State and Federal Tax. This could go on and on and on for days.
Now we have 15 cents left, but I forgot the 5 cents to more over head that when out to pay for services whose company that provided those services who bought materials and paid their employees who paid Sales, State and Federal Tax.
Now we have 10 cents that was split up and claimed as Net Profit and can't forget the Dividends that were paid out that both would eventually be spent for some reason or another.
Ya gotta admit, Uncle Sam has some racket..
The only way to stop Uncle Sam from getting you money is to either make yourown or take what little you have left, place it into a Mason Jar and bury it somewhere in your back yard.
Soooo, if you work, your income will eventually be will pay out in taxes.
In the US you can not even die and get out of paying taxes or costing tax dollars..
Face facts, every penney earned and saved legally will eventually be spent by someone in the US and will eventually end up on the Ledgers of the IRS somewhere wheither it is the State or the Federal IRS Ledgers.
Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.. Free to pay taxes and Brave is you dare not to.
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Hmmm sounds like you are a little confused, either you want us to pay to support you by more taxes or you want us not to pay taxes at all. Which one is it? Why the mixed feelings? I would think you would want us to pay more so you could have a payraise!Gee I wonder why taxes are so high, any clues?
Crabby Old Lady
Knit picking
Me?