Reagan Myths for the confused republican

forestal

I'm the Boss of Me
For the ill-informed who worship a false idol...

American Politics Journal -- The Real Reagan Legacy

<img src="http://www.americanpolitics.com/reaganDOH.gif"/>


Which brings us to myth number two: Jimmy Carter wrecked the economy, and Reagan's bold tax cuts saved it.
This is utterly absurd. Economic growth indices -- GDP, jobs, revenues -- were all positive when Carter left office. All plunged after Reagan policies took effect.
Reagan didn't cure inflation, the main economic problem during the Carter years. Carter's Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker tried when he raised interest rates. That's the opposite of what Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan has done to keep inflation low.
Carter's policies and people fought inflation, but maintained real growth. On the other hand, Reagan's policies helped cause the worst recession since the Great Depression: two bleak years with nearly double-digit unemployment! Reaganomics failed in less than a year, and it took an entire second year for the economy to recover from the failure.
Carter didn't cause the inflation problem, but his tough policies and smart personnel solved it. Unfortunately for Carter, it took too long for the good results to kick in. Not only didn't Reagan help whip inflation, he actually opposed the Volcker policies!
Another major myth: Reagan cut taxes on all Americans, and that led to a great expansion.
Here's the truth: the total federal tax burden increased during the Reagan years, and most Americans paid more in taxes after Reagan than before. The "Reagan Recovery" was unremarkable. It looks great only contrasted against the dismal Reagan Recession -- but it had nothing to do with Supply Side voodoo.
With a red ink explosion -- $300 BILLION deficits looming as far as the eye could see -- GOP Senators, notably including Bob Dole, led the way on tax hikes. The economy enjoyed its recovery only after total tax increases larger than the total tax cuts were implemented. Most importantly, average annual GDP growth during the Reagan 80s was lower than during the Clinton 90s or the JFK-LBJ 60s!
Enough about the economy. Here's the biggest myth of them all: Ronald Reagan won the "Cold War".
In reality, Reagan did nothing to bring down the Soviet Union.
By 1980, the Soviet Union was trying to cut its own defense spending. Reagan made it harder for them to do so. In fact, Reagan increased the possibility of a nuclear war because he was -- frankly, and sadly -- senile. He thought we could actually recall submarine-launched nuclear missiles (talk about a Reagan myth), and bullied the Soviets to highest alert several times.
Critically, Reagan never even tried to bring down the Soviet Union.
Wasteful overspending on defense didn't end the Soviet Union. In fact, it played into the hands of authoritarian "Communist" hard-liners in the Kremlin. Reagan thought the Soviet Union was more powerful than we were. He was trying to close what he called "the window of vulnerability."
 

edinsomd

New Member
Wow, nothing like a 5 year old post by a leftist whack job rewriting history, there, Forestool.:bigwhoop: No mention of Carter's disastrous Middle East policies, and how the Mullahs in Iran released the US hostages the very day RR was inaugurated. Co-inkydinky?
Ed
 

Mikeinsmd

New Member
Wow, nothing like a 5 year old post by a leftist whack job rewriting history, there, Forestool.:bigwhoop: No mention of Carter's disastrous Middle East policies, and how the Mullahs in Iran released the US hostages the very day RR was inaugurated. Co-inkydinky?
Ed
Stool is in his own wittle world where the voices speak nicely to him. :killingme
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The big pic.

For the ill-informed who worship a false idol...

American Politics Journal -- The Real Reagan Legacy

<img src="http://www.americanpolitics.com/reaganDOH.gif"/>


Which brings us to myth number two: Jimmy Carter wrecked the economy, and Reagan's bold tax cuts saved it.
This is utterly absurd. Economic growth indices -- GDP, jobs, revenues -- were all positive when Carter left office. All plunged after Reagan policies took effect.
Reagan didn't cure inflation, the main economic problem during the Carter years. Carter's Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker tried when he raised interest rates. That's the opposite of what Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan has done to keep inflation low.
Carter's policies and people fought inflation, but maintained real growth. On the other hand, Reagan's policies helped cause the worst recession since the Great Depression: two bleak years with nearly double-digit unemployment! Reaganomics failed in less than a year, and it took an entire second year for the economy to recover from the failure.
Carter didn't cause the inflation problem, but his tough policies and smart personnel solved it. Unfortunately for Carter, it took too long for the good results to kick in. Not only didn't Reagan help whip inflation, he actually opposed the Volcker policies!
Another major myth: Reagan cut taxes on all Americans, and that led to a great expansion.
Here's the truth: the total federal tax burden increased during the Reagan years, and most Americans paid more in taxes after Reagan than before. The "Reagan Recovery" was unremarkable. It looks great only contrasted against the dismal Reagan Recession -- but it had nothing to do with Supply Side voodoo.
With a red ink explosion -- $300 BILLION deficits looming as far as the eye could see -- GOP Senators, notably including Bob Dole, led the way on tax hikes. The economy enjoyed its recovery only after total tax increases larger than the total tax cuts were implemented. Most importantly, average annual GDP growth during the Reagan 80s was lower than during the Clinton 90s or the JFK-LBJ 60s!
Enough about the economy. Here's the biggest myth of them all: Ronald Reagan won the "Cold War".
In reality, Reagan did nothing to bring down the Soviet Union.
By 1980, the Soviet Union was trying to cut its own defense spending. Reagan made it harder for them to do so. In fact, Reagan increased the possibility of a nuclear war because he was -- frankly, and sadly -- senile. He thought we could actually recall submarine-launched nuclear missiles (talk about a Reagan myth), and bullied the Soviets to highest alert several times.
Critically, Reagan never even tried to bring down the Soviet Union.
Wasteful overspending on defense didn't end the Soviet Union. In fact, it played into the hands of authoritarian "Communist" hard-liners in the Kremlin. Reagan thought the Soviet Union was more powerful than we were. He was trying to close what he called "the window of vulnerability."
:buddies: I like that link and I agree with the info so much that I plan to add the link to my campaign website.

Well done "Forestal". :buddies:
 

Dork

Highlander's MPD
:buddies: I like that link and I agree with the info so much that I plan to add the link to my campaign website.

Well done "Forestal". :buddies:

Forcestool finally found someone on this forum who likes something he posted (JPC, Sr) :lmao::killingme. This should tell you something Forcedstool. Maybe you can be JPCs campaign manager. He probably can't pay you much but he might let you play with his hoo hoo dilly.
 

Pete

Repete
For the ill-informed who worship a false idol...

American Politics Journal -- The Real Reagan Legacy

<img src="http://www.americanpolitics.com/reaganDOH.gif"/>


Which brings us to myth number two: Jimmy Carter wrecked the economy, and Reagan's bold tax cuts saved it.
This is utterly absurd. Economic growth indices -- GDP, jobs, revenues -- were all positive when Carter left office. All plunged after Reagan policies took effect.
Reagan didn't cure inflation, the main economic problem during the Carter years. Carter's Federal Reserve Chairman Paul Volcker tried when he raised interest rates. That's the opposite of what Fed Chairman Alan Greenspan has done to keep inflation low.
Carter's policies and people fought inflation, but maintained real growth. On the other hand, Reagan's policies helped cause the worst recession since the Great Depression: two bleak years with nearly double-digit unemployment! Reaganomics failed in less than a year, and it took an entire second year for the economy to recover from the failure.
Carter didn't cause the inflation problem, but his tough policies and smart personnel solved it. Unfortunately for Carter, it took too long for the good results to kick in. Not only didn't Reagan help whip inflation, he actually opposed the Volcker policies!
Another major myth: Reagan cut taxes on all Americans, and that led to a great expansion.
Here's the truth: the total federal tax burden increased during the Reagan years, and most Americans paid more in taxes after Reagan than before. The "Reagan Recovery" was unremarkable. It looks great only contrasted against the dismal Reagan Recession -- but it had nothing to do with Supply Side voodoo.
With a red ink explosion -- $300 BILLION deficits looming as far as the eye could see -- GOP Senators, notably including Bob Dole, led the way on tax hikes. The economy enjoyed its recovery only after total tax increases larger than the total tax cuts were implemented. Most importantly, average annual GDP growth during the Reagan 80s was lower than during the Clinton 90s or the JFK-LBJ 60s!
Enough about the economy. Here's the biggest myth of them all: Ronald Reagan won the "Cold War".
In reality, Reagan did nothing to bring down the Soviet Union.
By 1980, the Soviet Union was trying to cut its own defense spending. Reagan made it harder for them to do so. In fact, Reagan increased the possibility of a nuclear war because he was -- frankly, and sadly -- senile. He thought we could actually recall submarine-launched nuclear missiles (talk about a Reagan myth), and bullied the Soviets to highest alert several times.
Critically, Reagan never even tried to bring down the Soviet Union.
Wasteful overspending on defense didn't end the Soviet Union. In fact, it played into the hands of authoritarian "Communist" hard-liners in the Kremlin. Reagan thought the Soviet Union was more powerful than we were. He was trying to close what he called "the window of vulnerability."

:yawn:
 

Kerad

New Member
While Ronald Reagan seems to have been a decent President, the near godlike status Republicans retroactively bestow on him seems a bit reactionary.

He certainly gets more credit than is deserved.

For instance, the "freed hostages" claim. He didn't do crap to "free hostages".


And Gorbachev had more to do "winning the Cold War" than did Reagan.



The Reps are desperate for some proof of competence. What's sad is they have to go back to 1980 to point at something...and even that is flawed.
 

Mikeinsmd

New Member
While Ronald Reagan seems to have been a decent President, the near godlike status Republicans retroactively bestow on him seems a bit reactionary.
He certainly gets more credit than is deserved.
For instance, the "freed hostages" claim. He didn't do crap to "free hostages".
And Gorbachev had more to do "winning the Cold War" than did Reagan.
The Reps are desperate for some proof of competence. What's sad is they have to go back to 1980 to point at something...and even that is flawed.
Scoot on over to that other thread and review the accomplishments of your party..... Compare them to their GOP counterparts. :killingme

Poor Kerad. :poorbaby:

:killingme
 

Kerad

New Member
Scoot on over to that other thread and review the accomplishments of your party..... Compare them to their GOP counterparts. :killingme

Poor Kerad. :poorbaby:

:killingme

Thanks..but no thanks. I'm good in the threads I'm in. :yay:

I didn't even mention Reagan's Iran/Contra, and the fact that he trained/financed Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden into what they became.


I was being nice. 'Cause of Christmas and all.



Happy Holidays.
 

JPC sr

James P. Cusick Sr.
The big pic.

Thanks..but no thanks. I'm good in the threads I'm in. :yay:

I didn't even mention Reagan's Iran/Contra, and the fact that he trained/financed Saddam Hussein and Osama Bin Laden into what they became.

I was being nice. 'Cause of Christmas and all.

Happy Holidays.
:whistle: Reagan was also the inventor of the super massive federal debt.

And Reagan's followers of both Bush 41 and 43 followed with their "Conservative" inspired super size spending excessively.

Now because of Reagan and his followers the term Republican "conservative" means doing out-of-control deficit spending and that is a conservative Republican.
:duel:
 

cwo_ghwebb

No Use for Donk Twits
Gosh, I think I'm going to have to stick to the main forum as the illogical thinking of the Libs here is about on par as what one sees at DU.

Taxation is supposedly about raising revenue for spending. Neither party keeps spending within revenues raised. Higher tax RATES, mean lower revenues, pure and simple. Revenues are at an all time high. (And typically, spending is also). History isn't wrong because it doesn't support your theories. It is what it is.

Libs vomit their higher taxation rates as a way to raise revenues. Never happened in the history of the world. But, controlling taxation is a way to control social behavior, which is the real desire of the Lefties. Tax the heck out of the productive to give to the unproductive to gain votes to stay in power. Kinda like Hillary's Christmas commercial. I'll give you all these entitlement programs. Ironically, not paid out of her pocket, but out of the pockets of the working class.
 

Dork

Highlander's MPD
Gosh, I think I'm going to have to stick to the main forum as the illogical thinking of the Libs here is about on par as what one sees at DU.

Taxation is supposedly about raising revenue for spending. Neither party keeps spending within revenues raised. Higher tax RATES, mean lower revenues, pure and simple. Revenues are at an all time high. (And typically, spending is also). History isn't wrong because it doesn't support your theories. It is what it is.

Libs vomit their higher taxation rates as a way to raise revenues. Never happened in the history of the world. But, controlling taxation is a way to control social behavior, which is the real desire of the Lefties. Tax the heck out of the productive to give to the unproductive to gain votes to stay in power. Kinda like Hillary's Christmas commercial. I'll give you all these entitlement programs. Ironically, not paid out of her pocket, but out of the pockets of the working class.

Don't spend too much time trying to reason with JPC, Forestal and company. None of these losers are qualified to wipe the azzes of great people like Ronald Reagan. These people were gipped and are angry and resort to tactics that make them feel better even though they are "off the charts" when it comes to logical thinking.
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
:whistle: Reagan was also the inventor of the super massive federal debt.

and why was the deficit so large Clueless ......... ?




































maybe because Reagan was rebuilding the Military after the Carter years on Neglect ?
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
It is a mistake for this Texican to think other people are as shallow as he (or she).
What the heck is a "texican"?


While Ronald Reagan seems to have been a decent President, the near godlike status Republicans retroactively bestow on him seems a bit reactionary. He certainly gets more credit than is deserved.
For instance, the "freed hostages" claim. He didn't do crap to "free hostages".
And Gorbachev had more to do "winning the Cold War" than did Reagan.
The Reps are desperate for some proof of competence. What's sad is they have to go back to 1980 to point at something...and even that is flawed.
I do think he was more than decent, but that could be because of who he followed. Bush 41 would have looked great by comparison. (or, maybe bush 41 looked so bad because of who he followed?)

The Cold War was both won and lost - so they're both pretty equal in responsibility for it. Reagan was the look and attitude of someone who would finish any war started by anyone else. That left Gorby with two options - watch his country fail miserably at everything, or start working with us instead of against us.

Republicans have competant leaders to look back at, currently at, and forward to - just like the Democratics do. It's just not as hard for us to find 'em.

And, by the way, Reagan was president from '81 - '89. Carter was in office in '80.
 
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