Redskins next coach?

Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
As some of the names start to come off the board, Lovie is now not coming here, and the sad spectacle of the Redskins being more interesting in the off-season, again, and it becomes obvious that there was no plan in place from over a month ago when it became clear Shanahan was greasing his own rail to get out of town, speculation, naturally, intensifies.

Kornheiser just said that Bruce Allen is good friends with John Gruden and it seems to be known off the record Gruden ain't taking the job but, his brother, O coordinator for the Bengals, might, Tony speculated, sound good.

He, Tony, went on to tout how decent the Bengals offensive is and how good the young Andy Dalton is doing under Jay.

Well, I am sorry but, are all those people coming with Gruden were he to take the job? He bringing Dalton, AJ Green, Ben Jarvis Green Ellis? Tate? Gresham? The O line?

Andy Dalton is, hands down, anyones choice over Robert right now. Our Alfred Morris is not a dual threat out of the backfield and we have one guy who would start for pretty much anyone; Garcon. Past that, how many people do we have that would make the Bengals roster, on offensive, let alone start?

Then, a defense with nothing but questions has the huge one of who replaces London, the heart and soul of not just the D but, the whole team?

Special teams is an absolute disaster.

And, on top of all of this is the RGIII soap opera.

Gruden may be the next big thing but, he has good players. The Grand Wizard of the game, Belichick, didn't start winning until he found out he had a hall of famer on the bench. KC had talent before Reid got there and so did Philly before Kelly arrived.

It is said that Shanahan brought credibility and is leaving the team in better shape than he found it. Well, I'm sorry but, 3-13 is not better. A defense that needs total rebuilding is not better. The worst special teams in the league is not better. Yes, we had the salary thing but, as that fades, we don't have much in the way of picks so, it's gonna have to be free agents. Andy Reid, Chip Kelly, Bellichick, no one could have done much, if any better, with this team because we're simply not loaded with talent that just needs a good coach.

We're awful. So, why does a Jay Gruden leave a Superbowl contender for us? It's not like it's some empty cupboard where it can be the new guys creation from the ground up because of the RGIII mess.

Whoever comes here is gonna have to want to deal with figuring out of Robert is a top QB or not and, right now, he's not even close. Worse, does he have his team mates behind him? And his dad? And his 'special' status with Snyder?

Any name that comes up, that's what I am gonna wonder; how are they with soap operas? ANY big name coach knows whatever Snyder promises in terms of letting him run the shop has proven to be not the case, time and time again.

So, it seems most likely it's gonna have to either be a big name and over pay the heck out of them where they can't turn it down or someone who is simply going to be in way over his head because of the team wide mess we're in.

Happy thought for the day. :shrug:

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GregV814

GregV814

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the attrition rate for the Redskins coaches is way out of balance. Its like switching conductors during a concert every 23 bars. The musicians cant be expected to do that with their skills.
 
donbarzini

donbarzini

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Larry Gude said:
..... KC had talent before Reid got there
Hence my call for Scott Pioli


Any name that comes up, that's what I am gonna wonder; how are they with soap operas? ANY big name coach knows whatever Snyder promises in terms of letting him run the shop has proven to be not the case, time and time again. I know it will never happen but put Bruce Allen in charge of cap dealings and you really want someone who will "nip it in the bud"? Two words: Bill "I hear she's getting better" Parcells. Everywhere he went he picked the biggest guy on the block and gave him a figurative punch in the mouth. He did it with LT. He did it with Terry Glenn. And he did it with Jason Taylor. And he won every time.



Happy thought for the day. :shrug:

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ciwmj

ciwmj

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Until all of the NFL coaches get together and say NO to owners like the Redskins have ,the NFL will let this continue. If no one will work as a coach for the ownership then just maybe the NFL will step up and grow a pair.
Get rid of worthless owners who think that they can buy a Championship as opposed to earning it.
 
donbarzini

donbarzini

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Grumpy said:
Parcels put players in their place, don't think he ever put an owner in his place. We saw how that worked out with Schottenheimer, ya think 10, 11 yrs have mellowed the little twerp?
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See Victor Kiam/Woody??from the Jets/and the Blockbuster guy that owned the Dolphins. He gets his way or he leaves. And they know that they end up with egg on their face. He has(had) that much firepower given his history. This situation screams for him to be brought in as the czar of operations, let his son in law(Pioli) be the GM and let George's baby boy work crunching the numbers. That's where he made his bones with Tampa. Between Bill and Scott they find the coach. I would actually pay GOOD money to see Parcells' face the first time RG-me's daddy walked into his office.......heh
 
Grumpy

Grumpy

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donbarzini said:
He gets his way or he leaves.
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Therein lies the rub. How long before left?? 1 season? 2?..I don't disagree with you on the skins needing a football guy leading the team without the little twerp's meddling, but I don't think Snyder has reached that level yet.

Of all the guys mentioned to take over the head coaching job, I'm not impressed with any of them. Frankly, I wish Snyder and Shanahan had come to a quiet agreement, with Shanny retiring, and Kyle coaching the team next year with Allen having full duties as the GM. I know, crazy idea, but I do think Kyle will be a good head coach in the future, just not here.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Grumpy said:
Therein lies the rub. How long before left?? 1 season? 2?..I don't disagree with you on the skins needing a football guy leading the team without the little twerp's meddling, but I don't think Snyder has reached that level yet.

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See, this is the issue; it is a flawed premise to think it is EVER going to change. This is Snyder's team an he didn't buy it to just sit in the booth and enjoy the games and have a lifetime back stage pass. He wants to be part of it. I mean, he's a marketing guy and he's bored to death. Was there EVER a product in less need of marketing than the Washington Redskins? So, what's he supposed to do, redesign the cheerleaders outfits for each game?

He WANTS to be part of the draft and free agency. He wants to hang out with the, his, players.

I would, too. :shrug:
 
Grumpy

Grumpy

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Larry Gude said:
He WANTS to be part of the draft and free agency. He wants to hang out with the, his, players.

I would, too. :shrug:
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But, my dear boy, you are smart enough to get satisfaction from putting together a great coaching staff and saying "I built that" after a few championships. Snyder, the almighty, thinks he is greatest cook on the block. Snyder is not afraid to spend money, money well spent would be for a coaching and scouting staff and sit back.
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Grumpy said:
But, my dear boy, you are smart enough to get satisfaction from putting together a great coaching staff and saying "I built that" after a few championships. Snyder, the almighty, thinks he is greatest cook on the block. Snyder is not afraid to spend money, money well spent would be for a coaching and scouting staff and sit back.
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I'd like to think I am but, it's not that simple. For instance, the greatness of the Gibbs era was not just Gibbs. It was also the creative tension between Gibbs and the player guy, Bobby Beathard coupled with the fear of failure Gibbs had in having an owner who wanted a winner or he'd fire you and find the next guy. Gibbs hardly ever got the guys he wanted and, thus, had to learn to coach the guys he had. When Gibbs II came along and he could have anything he liked, we saw how that didn't work with his very first choice; Portis, a great scat back, to be featured as a between the tackles guy. Perfect case of getting what you want, not what you need.

Plus, Snyder does not want to win above all things. He wants to win while being central. Jack Kent Cooke never spent one second in a draft room. He hired people to do their job and left them do it.

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donbarzini

donbarzini

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Larry Gude said:
I'd like to think I am but, it's not that simple. For instance, the greatness of the Gibbs era was not just Gibbs. It was also the creative tension between Gibbs and the player guy, Bobby Beathard coupled with the fear of failure Gibbs had in having an owner who wanted a winner or he'd fire you and find the next guy. Gibbs hardly ever got the guys he wanted and, thus, had to learn to coach the guys he had. When Gibbs II came along and he could have anything he liked, we saw how that didn't work with his very first choice; Portis, a great scat back, to be featured as a between the tackles guy. Perfect case of getting what you want, not what you need.

Plus, Snyder does not want to win above all things. He wants to win while being central. Jack Kent Cooke never spent one second in a draft room. He hired people to do their job and left them do it.

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This may be a "chicken/egg" issue but wasn't his real first choice Desmond Howard? But either way it speaks volumes about coaches coaching and generals managing. And never the twain shall meet. To fracture a couple phrases
 
Larry Gude

Larry Gude

Strung Out
donbarzini said:
This may be a "chicken/egg" issue but wasn't his real first choice Desmond Howard? But either way it speaks volumes about coaches coaching and generals managing. And never the twain shall meet. To fracture a couple phrases
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Not sure of time line but, yeah, Desmond, Bruce Smith, and the WORST; Neon Dion. Haynesworth, guys were just coming here and getting paid. Plus, we'd piss away draft picks left and right. Cincinnati, I will eternally be fond of them because Snyder offered them TWO #1's for Ocho Cinco and they, proving we're not the only idiots on the planet, turned us down.

And every one of them is perfectly understandable in context of marketing and promoting the team; buzz, excitement, sizzle. Even passing on draft picks, un proven guys who may or may not eventually sell, all of it makes sense from that perspective.

But, again, nothing needs less help promoting than the Washington Redskins. Win and they shall come. So, in effect, all of Snyders raising of prices, charging so much for parking, per flush fees in the toilet, the advent of the $8 beer, all of that is the ultimate in pointless exercise; all it did was pay for free agents that were not only not necessary but, at past, simply paid for themselves without improving the team even a bit.

The biggest joke right now is the argument that the team is, in any way, better off now than when Mike got here. If anything, we're a bigger mess because even the ONE BIG THING, QB, is not settled; it is MORE up in the air than it was.

Prediction; He goes with Hasslet.
 
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