Remains found of U.S. soldier captured in Iraq

nhboy

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"BATAVIA, OHIO -- The military has recovered the remains of Staff Sgt. Keith Matthew Maupin, listed as missing-captured in Iraq since 2004, the soldier's father said Sunday.

Keith Maupin said an Army general told him DNA testing had identified his son, known as Matt. He said the Army didn't say how or where in Iraq his son's remains were discovered, only that officials found a shirt similar to the one his
"My heart sinks, but I know they can't hurt him anymore," Maupin said.

Matt Maupin, 20, was a private first class when he was captured April 9, 2004, after his fuel convoy, part of the 724th Transportation Company, was ambushed west of Baghdad.

A week later, the Arab television network Al Jazeera aired a videotape showing Maupin sitting on the floor surrounded by five masked men holding automatic rifles."

Remains found of U.S. soldier captured in Iraq - Los Angeles Times
 
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Dixie

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Odd reading through the old thread right now and seeing how impassioned some people were about a serviceman being captured, perhaps beheaded, murdered whatever, but this post has elicted no responses and very few hits in the scheme of things. What do you think are we immune to all of it now?
 

bresamil

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How sad. Yet the hardest part had to be not knowing. Not the ending they were hoping for, but at least they'll have closure.
 

DangerousCurves

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Odd reading through the old thread right now and seeing how impassioned some people were about a serviceman being captured, perhaps beheaded, murdered whatever, but this post has elicted no responses and very few hits in the scheme of things. What do you think are we immune to all of it now?

As a veteran, I try and read about as many of my fallen comrades as I can. That is the very least that I can do to show respect to the men and women who rose to answer the call of our country. Fallen comrade number 1...or fallen comrade number 4,000...the same great sadness overcomes me. Thanks for posting.....
 
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Dixie

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As a veteran, I try and read about as many of my fallen comrades as I can. That is the very least that I can do to show respect to the men and women who rose to answer the call of our country. Fallen comrade number 1...or fallen comrade number 4,000...the same great sadness overcomes me. Thanks for posting.....

Vet here also and although, in my humble opinion, we should have never gone where we are, I remembered this young man's name four years later without effort. They called him Matt in the news today but I remembered from four years ago - that's Keith - that was his first name, that guy from - I thought it was PA -although now I think I'm wrong about the state. He was captured and his captors took a picture of him just sitting there. He was this scared looking kid, looked too young to be in cammies, too young to be where he was. I remembered his family - his mom crying from four years ago. I remembered we had a thread and how angry everyone seemed to be that someone in uniform had been captured and there would be hell to pay. We wouldn't let them get away with it.

And now they found him - and he's dead - and this thread had at this writing less than 100 hits. Just seems so strange to me - four years later we're still there and people are still dying and no one seems to be angry about it anymore. Thanks for writing - you and who was it Bresamil? I'm feeling blue and I'm taking it out here. Life goes on I guess.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
You have...

- four years later we're still there and people are still dying and no one seems to be angry about it anymore. Thanks for writing - you and who was it Bresamil? I'm feeling blue and I'm taking it out here. Life goes on I guess.


...no effing idea how livid many, many people are with George Bush and Dick Cheney and the way they have conducted this stupid 'war'. You have no idea.
You have no idea the sense of disappointment and bewilderment and, frankly, betrayal as to how these two people, especially Cheney, have chosen to go about this farce.
 
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Dixie

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...no effing idea how livid many, many people are with George Bush and Dick Cheney and the way they have conducted this stupid 'war'. You have no idea.
You have no idea the sense of disappointment and bewilderment and, frankly, betrayal as to how these two people, especially Cheney, have chosen to go about this farce.

Sorry taking it out here - my son is upset over something trivial and the other one is whining over something I am NOT buying him for his birthday and I can't get Matt Maupin's picture out of my mind and what he said in that video they took when he was captured - he was a new father - he just wanted to go home. And now he is.

Guess I'm feeling whiny too. I'll be better tomorrow....thanks for the input Larry.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
A soldier dying...

Sorry taking it out here - my son is upset over something trivial and the other one is whining over something I am NOT buying him for his birthday and I can't get Matt Maupin's picture out of my mind and what he said in that video they took when he was captured - he was a new father - he just wanted to go home. And now he is.

Guess I'm feeling whiny too. I'll be better tomorrow....thanks for the input Larry.

...is NOT the issue. How he died, what he died for, that is the issue. Until mankind finds it in ourselves to forego war, people will die in the struggle to achieve political ends. A soldier dying in someone else's civil war, an American of all people, the only people on this planet to who killed one another over the rights of a third, who know how this works, is an outrage. You must get on with it or not at all. That is what we alone know. A US soldiers child growing up knowing his daddy gave his life defending this nation is one thing.

Enough for now. I had this out of my system 5 minutes ago.

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RadioPatrol

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...no effing idea how livid many, many people are with George Bush and Dick Cheney and the way they have conducted this stupid 'war'. You have no idea.
You have no idea the sense of disappointment and bewilderment and, frankly, betrayal as to how these two people, especially Cheney, have chosen to go about this farce.

and how would you have conducted the war .... did you have a crystal ball that showed that after the dictator was removed the Shia's and Sunnis' would go back to killing each other over their Version on Islam......



not to mention AL-Q and that whole mess ....
 
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RadioPatrol

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A week later, the Arab television network Al Jazeera aired a videotape showing Maupin sitting on the floor surrounded by five masked men holding automatic rifles."



Hmm I love how the ROP treats its Prisoners


..... it murders them .... and people whine about a little water boarding .... :whistle:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Nope...

and how would you have conducted the war .... did you have a crystal ball that showed that after the dictator was removed the Shia's and Sunnis' would go back to killing each other over their Version on Islam......



not to mention AL-Q and that whole mess ....

...something better; history books and and regional experts. Bush, however, seems to have been consulting a Ouija board or Magic 8 ball.

His father told him not to do this. Powell told him not to do this. Heads of foreign governments told him not to do this. Numerous US regional experts told him not to do this. The reason; Shi'as and Sunni's do NOT get along.

Iran; Shi'a. Saudi; Sunni. Between them? Iraq. Add to that Kurds in the North along with Turkey and it's Kurd problem. Add to that Ba'athists and Syria, run by Ba'athists. The Brits set up Iraq after WWI from the remains of the Ottoman empire and set up Iraq as a buffer state between all of these contending interests. It was a mess and they ran like hell. Ever hear of the Hatfield and McCoys? Mutliply that by 3 or so. Saddam kept order through force.

Now, having said that, I was all for deposing Saddam and imposing order. You liberate people, you become a permanent thorn in the side of fundamentalist Muslims, you change the culture over time. We get free oil. We didn't impose. We tried to finesse a problem that requires a hammer, a BFH.

So, things that went wrong that I pretend I would have done different;

1. Turkey, with elections looming, chose at the last minute to not let 4th ID come down into Iraq from the North. They were the cap to Baghdad as the 3rd and the 7th Marines came up from the SW and SE. They were supposed to catch all the rats (and their baggage, be what it may) fleeing to Syria.

W went ahead anyway. Bad move. Bad timing. We could have waited.

2. Before Bremmer arrived, the US leaders on the ground figured the best thing to do was set up an interim government right away and let the Iraqi people decide what to do with the Ba'athists. After all, the people knew who the worst offenders were. Bremmer over rules this within days and instituted a de-Ba'athification program. Within 72 hours the first insurgent attack occurred. Bremmer gave them no where to go, no hope of pleading their case, of getting on board and being a part of the new government. His policy said to them "run or fight or stand and die".

STUPID. They, like the Nazi's post WWII, knew how everything worked. They could have been put to work, the rank and file, to help maintain order and establish a government.

3. Bremmer disbanded the Iraqi army en masse. 300,000 young men with military training now were without income and with NOTHING to do.

STUPID. US generals on the ground expected to be able to use this man power to help maintain order across the country. After the de-Ba-athification policy and this idiocy, US generals, nearly en masse, resigned from this growing cluster####. Enter Sanchez who had no leadership experience past the division level.

4. Bremmer, to his credit, and Sanchez, to his credit, wanted Al Sadr out of the picture because he was causing trouble. The WH said no. They said no and to this day Sadr is a force for chaos.

Now, lest I come off as some sort of arm chair general, each and everyone of these issues was discussed in fair detail on TV and in print at the time. Some people said we ought to postpone until 4th ID could be repositioned. W said 'Go!'.

Ex-military commentators were incredulous over the de-Ba'athification program and were really exercised over disbanding the army. They said things like "Well, the Ba'aths could at least help keep things running. Not the head bad guys, but the rank and file." They said things like "300,000 idle young men with no jobs is a disaster waiting to happen."

All of them said point blank the first time Sadr made the evening news that he had to go. One guy even said that he expected a sniper would have gotten him by that evening. They said you simply can't have security and order when you allow all these little runts to start to build their own power centers. He was even left alone after he and his goons off-ed other local religious leaders.

So, not one of these are my ideas. Not one is after the fact hand wringing. They were all discussed in fair public detail for anyone who needed the obvious explained to them. Every single one was a conscious decision on the part of the WH.

On top of all that is mistake #5; Afghanistan, the job left undone.

Without a doubt, mistakes are made in war. Plans go out the window on first contact. The enemy has a say in how a battle goes. The problem is that each and every one of these decisions were made from a position of absolute dominance; we could do as we saw fit, in our own time and our own context. The enemy was powerless to influence not only our decisions, but our actions.

One or two major mistakes should be expected and can be dealt with. Three makes it rough. Four and five simply spelled the quagmire we now have.

:buddies:
 
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RadioPatrol

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Now, having said that, I was all for deposing Saddam and imposing order. You liberate people, you become a permanent thorn in the side of fundamentalist Muslims, you change the culture over time. We get free oil. We didn't impose. We tried to finesse a problem that requires a hammer, a BFH.

So, things that went wrong that I pretend I would have done different;

All of them said point blank the first time Sadr made the evening news that he had to go. One guy even said that he expected a sniper would have gotten him by that evening. They said you simply can't have security and order when you allow all these little runts to start to build their own power centers. He was even left alone after he and his goons off-ed other local religious leaders.

YEP


YEP


YEP

... I have said it on here before, the only thing these people understand is raw naked POWER ..... BFH indeed .... Strike Hard, Strike FAST, Strike to Kill .... get the JOB done with out pussy footing around ...... let the Socialist whine after the JOB is Finished :shrug: .... about methods better used .....

I would have made ending Sadr's influance a priority .... WTF are we paying these cowboys in Blackwater and other ORGs for .... or make him a Delta and / or SEAL Mission and be done with it ....

I agree with all that ........... yeah and Bush has turned into this wanna be Globalist Dweeb ........

Yeah the English intentionally screwed things together like this too keep the locals fighting and ignoring the powers controlling things .........

:buddies:
 
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Larry Gude

Strung Out
Hell...

I would have made ending Sadr's influance a priority ....

...in the framework of imposing security and the obvious necessity of obtaining a monopoly on the use of force, he wouldn't have even been a priority per se; simply a matter of course. The very fact that Bremmer and the generals even had to ask if it was OK to kill the enemy is indicative of a policy referential to my new favorite word; Machiavellian.

That's the best way to describe the Bush global doctrine 'cause it sure as hell ain't America first.
 
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RadioPatrol

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The very fact that Bremmer and the generals even had to ask if it was OK to kill the enemy is indicative of a policy referential to my new favorite word; Machiavellian.

That's the best way to describe the Bush global doctrine 'cause it sure as hell ain't America first.

:lmao:


Machiavellian - would have been to march all power brokers out into the desert and have then vanish .... Saddam and anyone captured from the Party Leadership ..... Sadr when he raised his head .... or a 10 ton Truck Bomb outside his Mosque on a Friday Afternoon .... then you round up his Lt's and they die or better vanish ......... and so one until there is no opposition left

You Kill, Kill Again and Keep on Killing until no one is left .....
 

DangerousCurves

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Sorry taking it out here - my son is upset over something trivial and the other one is whining over something I am NOT buying him for his birthday and I can't get Matt Maupin's picture out of my mind and what he said in that video they took when he was captured - he was a new father - he just wanted to go home. And now he is.

Guess I'm feeling whiny too. I'll be better tomorrow....thanks for the input Larry.

No Dixie, you said what you felt, and I didn't sense any whining. You remembered this young soldier...and that means a lot. Now vote in November...and make it mean more.
 

nhboy

Ubi bene ibi patria
Update

Tip led troops to missing soldier

"A tip from an Iraqi led U.S. troops to the remains of Staff Sgt. Matt Maupin north of Baghdad, an Army spokesman confirmed Tuesday.

Maupin disappeared almost four years ago, on April 9, 2004, south of Baghdad when insurgents attacked his convoy using rocket-propelled grenades and small-arms fire. The Army announced Monday that Maupin’s remains and a bit of his uniform had been found and identified.

Maupin’s remains were found March 20 in a primarily agricultural region 10 to 15 miles northwest of Baghdad by soldiers from 1st Battalion, 21st Infantry Regiment, said Lt. Col. Steve Stover, a spokesman for Multi-National Division-Baghdad.

The unit belongs to the 2nd Stryker Brigade Combat Team, 25th Infantry Division. While in Iraq, the unit is attached to the 2nd Stryker Cavalry Regiment.

Maupin’s remains are being examined at the Armed Forces Medical Examiner’s office in Rockville, Md., said Paul Stone, spokesman for the Armed Forces Institute of Pathology."

Tip led troops to missing soldier - Navy News, opinions, editorials, news from Iraq, photos, reports - Navy Times
 
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