Report: Group Claims Truce With Spain

[ceo_pte]

Now this is sick... The country formerly known as Spain is now being ruled by an islamic militant group... cowards....

CAIRO, Egypt -- The Islamic militant group that claimed responsibility for last week's Madrid train bombings has called a truce with Spain to give the new government time to withdraw troops from Iraq, a London-based Arabic-language newspaper said Wednesday.
http://www.newsday.com/news/nationw...64096.story?coll=sns-ap-nationworld-headlines

 

[Otter]

Great comparison Rest of story here

WASHINGTON - For neo-conservative and other right-wing US hawks, Madrid has suddenly become Munich in 1938 and Spain's prime minister-elect Jose Luis Rodriguez Zapatero is former British prime minister Neville Chamberlain.

In an extraordinarily unanimous campaign, newspaper columnists and television commentators are flooding the media with cries of "appeasement", the dreaded epithet with which Chamberlain was permanently tagged after his meeting in Munich with Adolf Hitler, which permitted Nazi Germany to slice off a major chunk of Czechoslovakia.

 

[SamSpade]

Could someone clarify one tiny little point for me?

Neo-cons. What do people REALLY mean, when they say it?

Oh I *know* the technical term, and who really actually uses the term applied to themselves. I know that Irving Kristol, the so-called "godfather of neoconservatism" describes it more as a liberal mugged by reality, a blend of conservatism, and modern pragmatism. Its name describes its supporters - newly made conservatives, former liberals.

But that isn't how it is usually used. It seems to be used to describe *FAR* right nut-cases, or, in the mouths of people like Garofalo, all of those conservative wags that we don't happen to like.

Neo-cons is usually said with a sneer, in the mouths of some of these.

So what DO they mean?

 

[Tonio]

Originally posted by SamSpade
Could someone clarify one tiny little point for me?

Neo-cons. What do people REALLY mean, when they say it?

Oh I *know* the technical term, and who really actually uses the term applied to themselves. I know that Irving Kristol, the so-called "godfather of neoconservatism" describes it more as a liberal mugged by reality, a blend of conservatism, and modern pragmatism. Its name describes its supporters - newly made conservatives, former liberals.

But that isn't how it is usually used. It seems to be used to describe *FAR* right nut-cases, or, in the mouths of people like Garofalo, all of those conservative wags that we don't happen to like.

Neo-cons is usually said with a sneer, in the mouths of some of these.

So what DO they mean?

I've heard "neocon" described as a conservative with a pragmatic (in his or her view) view of international relations. Less reactionary than the de facto isolationism preached by older conservatives like Pat Buchanan. Some of the neocons were in fact former '60s liberals.

 

[vraiblonde]

Originally posted by SamSpade
So what DO they mean?

I'd like to know that too - the only ones who'll be able to tell us for real are the libs.

You're right that, when they use the term, they sneer and cringe like they're invoking the name of a demon.

 

[czygvtwkr]

Its because some pseudo-intellectual liberals associate it with the word neonazi and since that is a bad thing neoconservative must also be a bad thing.