Report: Tillman's Final Minutes a Horror
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Reminds me of that movie Courage Under Fire with Denzel Washington, Meg Ryan and Matt Damon where she was the helicopter pilot in Iraq who was shot down, and killed by one of her own troops.
J
justhangn
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The sorrows of war.......my thoughts go out to his parents......
If we would have nuked the whole region, his death would have been avoided.
If we would have nuked the whole region, his death would have been avoided.
unixpirate
Pitty Party
justhangn said:The sorrows of war.......my thoughts go out to his parents......
If we would have nuked the whole region, his death would have been avoided.
Amen on the Nuking JH.
I do have to say one thing that I'm
about and 
Why all the attention for Tillman? He wash't / isn't the only one fighting this war. There are hundreds dead and injured. Don't they and there family's deserve the same amount of attention? Of course!
One thing I read that totally torked me. "Tillman gave up a football career and $35 million salary to fight for our country". Didn't know money was a benefactor.
Oh well had to put my two cents in. I feel the red ju ju coming..
RTFO!
crabcake
But wait, there's more...
Unix, Tillman's service wasn't "worth" more than any other soldiers. It was that he was a media example of patriotism ... someone who turned down the big bucks and an NFL career to serve his country. So, knowing that, and that his death was the cause of friendly fire, is what makes his "service" unique for media purposes. It doesn't mean he as a person was more "valuable" or his death was more tragic or whatever than any other soldiers'.
unixpirate
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crabcake said:
I understand CC. Just seems like to much focus in one area or person. I'm a Military brat of 26 yrs. $ shouldn't even be a subject or in the same sentence. I don't understand them emphasizing on the $$.
Good explanation CC.
Unix, it's also because he's famous and not just some stranger. People care more because they "know" who he is and it puts a familiar face to the story.
crabcake
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I gotcha ... and I agree. It's not about the money. If it was, he wouldn't have done it. That's what makes him somewhat "unique" in the media's camera. In times of war, people like having a patriotic icon to look up to and his selfless actions in choosing service to country over football fulfilled that need. He's basically just like Jessica Lynch ... another face to attach feeling and emotion to during hard times. Sadly, he wasn't as lucky as her.unixpirate said:I understand CC. Just seems like to much focus in one area or person. I'm a Military brat of 26 yrs. $ shouldn't even be a subject or in the same sentence. I don't understand them emphasizing on the $$.
Good explanation CC.
His actions and death received so much attention because of who he was ... just like why you hear about certain kidnap victims or crime victims while many you don't. It's either a pretty face (Lynch) or somehow related to money (Tillman).
Because in a time when many of these little candy asses wouldn't give up a $7 an hour busboy job to enlist, Pat Tillman gave up a multi-million $$$ football contract to serve. It's impressive and really says a lot about him as a person and an American. He's not some dumb kid who joined the Army because he had nothing else going for him, then cried when he was called to actually work for his money.unixpirate said:
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Well what i found disturbing was when Sports Illustrated did Tillmans story, a real heartwrenching patriotic story of a true hero, that sacrificed his easy life to fight a war thousand of miles from home, then a few pages later, some spoiled brat named manning refusing to play for the football team that drafted him, because they weren't GOOD enough to have him as their quarterback.unixpirate said:I understand CC. Just seems like to much focus in one area or person. I'm a Military brat of 26 yrs. $ shouldn't even be a subject or in the same sentence. I don't understand them emphasizing on the $$.
Good explanation CC.
Exactly ... he didn't join just for college money, or just for medical benefits for his bebe's momma and her 14 kids, or just for a paycheck. He actually did it for the right reasons.
Christy
b*tch rocket
Why does the attention he's received bother you so much?unixpirate said:Amen on the Nuking JH.
I do have to say one thing that I'm
Why all the attention for Tillman? He wash't / isn't the only one fighting this war. There are hundreds dead and injured. Don't they and there family's deserve the same amount of attention? Of course!
One thing I read that totally torked me. "Tillman gave up a football career and $35 million salary to fight for our country". Didn't know money was a benefactor.
Oh well had to put my two cents in. I feel the red ju ju coming..
RTFO!
Personally, I think they haven't focused enough attention on him. I think he's a fabulous role model, to impress upon children, that there are people out there who aren't ruled by the almighty dollar, but by honor. :shrug: Yes, every military member is a role model, but his decision to give up so much money for service to his country should be emphasized to the nth degree. Hell, I think he should be in every school history book, but it'll never happen.
I agree. And he's doubly impressive when you stand him next to these vapid little war protestors and the Chicken Littles crying about a draft. He really makes them look petty and small.Christy said:Yes, every military member is a role model, but his decision to give up so much money for service to his country should be emphasized to the nth degree. Hell, I think he should be in every school history book, but it'll never happen.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
I'll give you a hero...
...my daugher in law to be was doing daycare on 9/11 and it just got to her; these kids would never know a day, a mindset, before 9/11. It would be the new normal for them.
She decided she had to DO something about it...an joined up.
She doesn't love it in fact she hates it and can't wait to get out...be she is serving.
...my daugher in law to be was doing daycare on 9/11 and it just got to her; these kids would never know a day, a mindset, before 9/11. It would be the new normal for them.
She decided she had to DO something about it...an joined up.
She doesn't love it in fact she hates it and can't wait to get out...be she is serving.
J
justhangn
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Larry Gude said:
My hat's off to the lady!
Tonio
Asperger's Poster Child
The worst part is that a true hero like Tillman was killed by friendly fire and the military covered it up. This may sound naive, but the military is supposed to be better than that. It's sad to see the brass acting like petty bureaucrats, worried about their own behinds.
Pete
Repete
Are you sure the Army tried to cover it up? I do not recall the actual events BUT the miltary is often tight lipped about these things until the investigation is completed. More than likely it was media speculation and their reporting of assumptions and not actual releases from the Army that makes this look like they are covering things up.Tonio said: