Rescue Squad Chief Charged with sexual offense

[smcop]

Don't blame us - blame all the skeezy broads looking for a payday who cry rape, and the women who think some guy telling an off-color joke constitutes "sexual harassment".

So are you saying the rescue chief grabbed this woman, forced her to join him in his office, then held her hostage and forcibly wouldn't let her leave until he'd had his way with her? Because that's not what the news story said.

This woman is rescue squad and I assume that she's had this same safety training.

Thats the problem. You make a lot of assumptions. I never said the rescue chief grabbed this woman and forced her to join him. I said he directed her into his office, and after he groped her and tried to look in her shirt, she attempted to leave and he grabbed her and pulled her back into the office and licked her neck. Read the news paper article which described her charging document.

I am not adding anything into this story because I don't know, which I have stated over and over. You make assumptions and add things that just aren't there!

You don't know either of these people but consider yourself an expert on human behavior.

 

[awpitt]

Let's say the female rescue squad chief gave one of the guys a squeeze and made a suggestive comment to him. What do you think he might have done about it?

I know it’s considered strange for a man to claim sexual harassment but it does happen. I can’t help thinking about the movie, Disclosure, with Demi Moore and Michael Douglas.
At any rate, the answer to your question would depend on the individual and the circumstances. If it were me, I'd give one warning. If that didn't work I'd take it to management. If that didn't work, I'd involve law enforcement.

As I understand it, the woman at the rescue squad alleges she tried to end the situation by leaving. That didn’t work. She reported it to one of the officers at the rescue squad and was told to report it to the authorities. She did that. So now the courts will sort it out.

 

[awpitt]

No one knows how they would react in such a situation, even if you think you do. And trust me, I know first hand what it's like to have people postulating about what "really happened". I am sure this woman is questioning her own handling of the incident and will for years to come. Let this play out in the courts and let all the facts come to light before we pass judgement.

One of the most intelligent statements I've read in this thread.

 

[awpitt]

Don't blame us - blame all the skeezy broads looking for a payday who cry rape, and the women who think some guy telling an off-color joke constitutes "sexual harassment".

This has nothing to do with "all the skeezy broads". This is about one individual who may or may not have a case. She's filed the complaint now it will go through the process that's been set up in this country.

So are you saying the rescue chief grabbed this woman, forced her to join him in his office, then held her hostage and forcibly wouldn't let her leave until he'd had his way with her? Because that's not what the news story said.

If she'd been held hostage, we'd be discussing felony charges here. The charge involved here is called false imprisonment.

 

[Larry Gude]

Does she?

You have a strange mentality for a woman. I feel a little sorry for you that you are so insensative that if I was your supervisor or the supervisor of your daughter, I would be able to call you into my office, grab your breats..or that of your daughters...when you go to leave I would be able to pull you back inside and lick your neck...and the only thing you would do to me is slap me.

...in the survey about groping it is, by far, the majority opinion of women to respond rather aggressively against a person groping them.

If you've been keeping up with the thread, one of our daughters would kick you in the balls, one would never go into your office in the described scenario and one would beat the living #### out of you. You'd be getting off easy if it was Vrail and even then, you might not ever live it down or hear the end of it.

 

[smcop]

...in the survey about groping it is, by far, the majority opinion of women to respond rather aggressively against a person groping them.

If you've been keeping up with the thread, one of our daughters would kick you in the balls, one would never go into your office in the described scenario and one would beat the living #### out of you. You'd be getting off easy if it was Vrail and even then, you might not ever live it down or hear the end of it.

And that is great if a woman chooses to handle it that way. What I am saying is lets not villify a woman who chooses to handle it the way the law allows it to be handled.

If society didn't think this was a criminal act, then there wouldn't be a law against it.

As always, I don't know if the guy is innocent or guilty, but again, I wonder what the girls motivation was?

As asked in the Duke situation, her motivation was revenge for the guys calling her a bad name. She was angry and made an allegation. Believe me I have handled plenty of these situations where they were false reports, but to go into it thinking it is a false report without knowing all the facts is unfair to those people who are victims, just the same as going into it assuming guilt without knowing all the facts.

 

[vraiblonde]

...in the survey about groping it is, by far, the majority opinion of women to respond rather aggressively against a person groping them.

If you've been keeping up with the thread, one of our daughters would kick you in the balls, one would never go into your office in the described scenario and one would beat the living #### out of you. You'd be getting off easy if it was Vrail and even then, you might not ever live it down or hear the end of it.

Thank you.

I'm in the majority here, smcop - my hypothetical reaction is not at all unusual.

 

[vraiblonde]

If society didn't think this was a criminal act, then there wouldn't be a law against it.

Excuse me but you have that backward: it became a criminal act when a law was passed.

to go into it thinking it is a false report without knowing all the facts is unfair to those people who are victims, just the same as going into it assuming guilt without knowing all the facts.

Well, I'm not a cop - just a person on the internet. So I can throw the flag all I want. See?

 

[vraiblonde]

the way the law allows it to be handled.

Excuse me again, but the law allows for self-defense. And if some guy grabs you, that would be your basic attack, so a boot to the head wouldn't be out of line.

 

[smcop]

Excuse me but you have that backward: it became a criminal act when a law was passed.


Well, I'm not a cop - just a person on the internet. So I can throw the flag all I want. See?

First, it wouldn't be a law if the civilized society didn't think it was criminal. Second, your right, your not a cop...unfortunately your worse. Your the person who is going to be called for jury duty, and go into it with a predisposed opinion!

 

[Larry Gude]

Look...

but to go into it thinking it is a false report without knowing all the facts is unfair to those people who are victims, just the same as going into it assuming guilt without knowing all the facts.

...people approach life from all sorts of different angles from thinking your boss groping you is something you slap a face for to thinking that 'it must be my fault'. That's a given, the variables.

This is just an internet forum and I don't think the cops or the lawyers or judges are going to be referencing it as admissible evidence if this thing goes that far, so, it's just conversation. Everyone who is just some person commenting, ie, doesn't know anyone involved, is simply saying it sounds fishy to say that this has happened a whole bunch of times and everyone, each 'victim', did not report it, raise hell, slap a face or even warn the new girl.

I mean, inappropriate is one thing. Alleging second-degree assault and false imprisonment sounds awful heavy handed. False imprisonment??? Maybe the guy is a sexual predator? Maybe he's a bit of a dirty old man without being what we should all stand up and scream 'CRIMINAL!'

As I've said, I got girls, girls galore. People who have no business doing so hit on my wife or kinda do or at least think about and try to be in the right place and time. I doubt that I was the catalyst in her life for male attention meaning she can't possibly be new to unwanted or inappropriate male attention. Should she knee them all? Slap them all? Should I just spend all my time between court appearances and funerals?

What the daughters have dealt with regarding males to date, I don't wanna spend a whole lot of time thinking about it. What am I gonna do? Kill each and every male that wants to get ahold of my girls? I think Vrail has taught them it's gonna happen, here's how you deal with it. That empowers them and keeps me out of jail.

Big girls, all.

 

[Larry Gude]

Hold up...

the person who is going to be called for jury duty, and go into it with a predisposed opinion!

...a minute; there is one of the basic problems we have in our legal system. It makes NO sense to set aside some sort of exclusion for people's fitness to serve as a jury when they, admittedly, haven't given anything any thought.

That's a whole other story, but, damn, it's part of what's wrong with our society. Violent criminals get every break in the book while this man committed assault and imprisonment?

I would think we'd exclude people who claim to have not given things much thought.

 

[vraiblonde]

Your the person who is going to be called for jury duty, and go into it with a predisposed opinion!

I thank Allah every single day that I'm not the type of person who gets jacked up by some news story and considers that there may be another side to it.

 

[smcop]

...people approach life from all sorts of different angles from thinking your boss groping you is something you slap a face for to thinking that 'it must be my fault'. That's a given, the variables.

I am not judging the facts of this case. What I am saying is everybody in society has a right not to be assaulted. Being "hit" on..where as a person compliments you or asks you out..is one thing...But when an employer calls you into his office, and fondles your breast and buttocks, then when you attempt to leave he pulls you back and licks your neck..this goes beyond being hit on!

If a person is assaulted..they have options. They can fight if the assault is ongoing. They can Flee if they have the opportunity. But regardless of what they do at the moment. When the incident is over, our society allows victims to seek redress in the courts. That's what makes us civilized. If this girls claim is true, then shame on those who would tell her she's wrong to bring this to the courts.

If this is true, she was assaulted. It wasn't my breast, it wasn't Vrablondes breast. This person could be someone who is truly innocent and has never had to deal with someone touching her. This could be someone who's religious beliefs prevent her from engaging in sexual behavior. We don't know. So why are we judging her by our moral beliefs when hers may be different.

The law allows for a person to be charged, and convicted for the things alleged in this girls charging document. If you don't agree with the law, get it changed. But don't pick on a person unless you know this didn't happen.

 

[kmw1123]

I am all about kicking him in the crotch and pressing charges. If my boss had the gall to call me in his office, grope me, pull me back in when I tried to leave, and then lick my neck, he deserves whatever punishment there is according to the law. Especially if I went to someone else in the company, told them what happened, and find out its not the first time he has behaved inappropriatly. I dont think women should file false accusations or make a big deal about something as simple as a dirty joke, but if what she says is true, he put his hands on her and would not let her leave when she tried to. All the skeevy guys out in the work force need to learn that this is not to be tolerated. I dont care if you work in an office full of men. It is one thing to joke around, but it is another thing entirely if it gets physical like the woman is claiming.

 

[Larry Gude]

Which in this case...

I am not judging the facts of this case. What I am saying is everybody in society has a right not to be assaulted.

..you're saying it sounds like assault to you, yes?

Let's not get into a 'are you in favor of child healthcare' debate if you get my meaning. In other words, we're debating whether or not this is assualt, not whether or not we all have a right to not be.

 

[Larry Gude]

And I agree...

but if what she says is true, he put his hands on her and would not let her leave when she tried to.

...if the facts are thus.

 

[kmw1123]

smcop, what is the possible punishment for this guy if he is convicted?

 

[Larry Gude]

And I agree...

when an employer calls you into his office, and fondles your breast and buttocks, then when you attempt to leave he pulls you back and licks your neck..this goes beyond being hit on!

...if that is the case. Again, there should be a number of witnesses coming forth right now, as the story goes, and that will be that. As it should be.

 

[Larry Gude]

But that is only half the coin...

I thank Allah every single day that I'm not the type of person who gets jacked up by some news story and considers that there may be another side to it.

...the other part would be Insha'Allah; if you DID get jacked up and did not consider other sides, as you have just done, it would be God's will that you do. And you could thank him for that.