Riders oppose Georgia motorcycle-only checkpoints

Star_Rider

New Member
AMA urges riders to oppose Georgia motorcycle-only checkpoints Bill introduced to prohibit funding discriminatory motorcycle-only checkpoints
Urge your Representative to support today!

IMO this is a violation of the 4th amendment. If the biker is volating the law and is stopped that is one thing, but no one should be targeted if their only "crime" is that they ride a motorcycle.

On March 3, 2011, Representative Jim Sensenbrenner (R-WI) introduced H.R. 904. This bill would prohibit the Secretary of Transportation from providing grants or any funds to states or local governments to be used for any program to create motorcycle-only checkpoints (MOCs).

In addition to Sensenbrenner, Reps. Tom Petri (R-WI) and Paul Ryan (R-WI) are original cosponsors.

Because MOCs are discriminatory and have not been proven effective, the American Motorcyclist Association (AMA) strongly supports H.R. 904, and urges motorcyclists to take action to assure passage. The AMA needs your help to contact your Representative immediately and urge them to cosponsor this legislation.

This bill came about in response to the Motorcycle Law Enforcement Demonstrations Grant (DTNH22-10-R-00386) program administered by the National Highway Traffic Safety Administration (NHTSA). You can view the grant notice here.

Initially begun in New York State, the process involves establishing checkpoints in which only motorcycles are pulled over and subjected to a series of inspections.

As you may know, the state of Georgia was the only state to receive a grant in the amount of $70,000 from the NHTSA program to create MOCs. The grant will be used to conduct one or more roadside motorcycle-only checks in accordance with what was outlined in the Request for Applications. The Georgia State Patrol (GSP) will oversee the day-to-day operation of the program.

On October 26, 2010, the AMA sent a letter to Georgia's former Governor Sonny Perdue requesting he suspend the implementation of the grant until questions raised by the motorcycling community are addressed. The former governor did not respond to AMA's letter. Therefore, the AMA sent another letter, dated February 15, 2011, to Georgia's newly-elected Governor Nathan Deal. To see AMA's letter, click here.

The AMA cautions riders traveling through the state of Georgia that the GSP may mobilize the MOC before, during and after Daytona Bike Week.

In addition to the letters submitted to the past and present governors of Georgia, the AMA has questioned the potential discriminatory and legal nature of this program and submitted a list of questions for clarification to the New York State Police. To date, New York authorities have not responded. The AMA also sent a letter to the NHTSA Administrator David Strickland urging him to suspend the grant program until questions have been addressed. To view AMA's letter, click here. To view Administrator Strickland's response, click here.

Additionally, on September 30, 2010, Sensenbrenner, along with some of his congressional colleagues, sent a letter to the U.S. Department of Transportation Secretary Ray LaHood. The congressional letter urged LaHood to suspend the grant program that would expand the highly criticized practice of creating motorcycle-only checkpoints by law enforcement agencies. The AMA strongly supports this important letter. To see the congressional letter, click here.

The AMA believes that the primary source of motorcycle safety is in motorcycle crash prevention and not in arbitrarily pulling over riders and randomly subjecting them to roadside inspections. The NHTSA should focus on decreasing the likelihood of crashes from occurring in the first place. The methods used in New York State and possibly Georgia remain highly suspect and no public money should be applied to promoting such a program without first addressing questions from the motorcycling community.

Specifically, how do MOCs increase the safety of motorcyclists? Where do the selected states draw their authority to conduct MOCs? Will "probable cause" be required to stop a motorcycle under the terms of this grant program? If so, what will constitute "probable cause?" What types of infractions were recorded by New York law enforcement officials at these checkpoints? What criteria will be used to determine if the MOCs are successful? Do states have the jurisdiction to inspect vehicles registered in another state? And, how was the safety of motorcyclists improved by the use of MOCs?

This bill is critical to ending the discriminatory practice of MOCs. The motorcycling community needs you to contact your Representative now to ask them to cosponsor H.R. 904 to end funding for MOCs. Just follow the "Take Action" option to send a pre-written e-mail directly to your Representative.

Be sure to forward this to your motorcycling friends! The AMA needs motorcyclists to unite against MOCs.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Since motorcycles don't have seatbelts, we are generally exempt from other roadside safety checks, generally centered around the use of seatbelts.

I have no problem with roadside motorcycle checks IF they actually do it like they should.


Chances are they may catch me doing something wrong too, and if they do, and they're right, I'll pay the fine and be done with it.
 
I don't have a problem stopping for checks, and I don't disagree with GA if they are having an issue with cycles and really need these checks in an attempt to curb an existing problem.

However, I DO have a problem with these checks IF they are solely to check bikes because someone has a stick up their butt about bikes and bikers. This is akin to profiling. I suspect it will also not be very effective as the bikers that may not be in compliance are probably the ones to be more likely to avoid or run from a checkpoint thinking they can outrun the officers. And these chases rarely end well.
 

Star_Rider

New Member
I grew up in Pennsylvania and over the last 26 years I've been stationed in Florida(x2), Tennessee(x2), California(x2), Hawaii, Virginia, Nevada, and now Maryland and never been stopped for a seat belt safety check. Even if there is such a thing, motorcycles have a similar safety requirement, it's called a helmet. And since it is much easier to see a biker not wearing a helmet than it is a cager not wearing a seat belt I'd venture to say that bikers are more susceptible to safety inspections than less.

I wouldn't have a problem with an all encompassing safety check but have a HUGE problem in ones that target one particular group.

First they came for the communists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a communist;
Then they came for the socialists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a socialist;
Then they came for the trade unionists, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a trade unionist;
Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out--
because I was not a Jew;
Then they came for me--
and there was no one left to speak out for me.
 
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Larry Gude

Strung Out
This it total horse####.

They came for bicycle helmets.

They came for seat belts.

They've come for the smokers.

They did it with the Patriot Act and the TSA

They are after cheeseburgers.

We have Big Brothers' Cameras everywhere.

They just tried some more with 1099's buried along with who knows what else in Obama care.

This is yet another building block in a completely socialist and totalitarian state.

Someones doing something wrong, fine. Pull 'em over and write 'em up. If not, back the #### off and go find some criminals.

What a bunch of horse ####.

:tap:
 

Star_Rider

New Member
And on that note I agree that we disagree and further "discussion" is pointless.

Too bad you can't follow your own signature.
 

Vince

......
Have to agree with Larry. This is total crap. If they were pulling cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc over for safety checks, that would be fine. But to single out motorcycles is total bull####.
 

Star_Rider

New Member
Have to agree with Larry. This is total crap. If they were pulling cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc over for safety checks, that would be fine. But to single out motorcycles is total bull####.
:confused: Ok maybe I misunderstood Larry's post. The way I read it he is all about letting them single out motorcyles as the only vehicle on the road to be pulled over for safety checks. IF he is AGAINST that than we are of one accord, but that's NOT the way I read his posts.
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Have to agree with Larry. This is total crap. If they were pulling cars, trucks, motorcycles, etc over for safety checks, that would be fine. But to single out motorcycles is total bull####.

I don't think they should be pulling anyone over unless they did something wrong. We got rid of our trucks and went to all rentals because of the annual inspection requirements which don't occur in the middle of a busy day. They occur on a regular, planned schedule, which I am ALL for. Especially when Ryder and Penske are dealing with it. :lol:

I say add cars to the inspection requirement routine!

All this is is revenue seeking, this extra inspection crap. No one takes greater risks and is more aware of them than bikers and there simply is no government interest in babysitting people who've already chosen to accept those risks.

:buddies:
 
I don't think they should be pulling anyone over unless they did something wrong. We got rid of our trucks and went to all rentals because of the annual inspection requirements which don't occur in the middle of a busy day. They occur on a regular, planned schedule, which I am ALL for. Especially when Ryder and Penske are dealing with it. :lol:

I say add cars to the inspection requirement routine!

All this is is revenue seeking, this extra inspection crap. No one takes greater risks and is more aware of them than bikers and there simply is no government interest in babysitting people who've already chosen to accept those risks.

:buddies:

I know they do this during Sturgis because of handlebar height etc. Guys will leave them loose so they can lower them if they see a cop.
 

Star_Rider

New Member
I know you ain't talking to me; we said the same thing two different ways. :shrug:

:buddies:
In that case I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I thought your first reply "I have no problem with roadside motorcycle checks IF they actually do it like they should." was agreeing to targeting motorcycle riders.
:buddies:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
In that case I apologize for the misunderstanding.

I thought your first reply "I have no problem with roadside motorcycle checks IF they actually do it like they should." was agreeing to targeting motorcycle riders.
:buddies:

No apology necessary; allow me to clarify. As per your post, we sat on our hands, step by step, as Busy Body Nation and compliant courts and fee happy lawyers took freedom after freedom.

I missed the big one; the tobacco settlement; that right there started this mess, allowing people to sign away basic rights due to government extortion of un-favored
parties; "Do what we say and pay what we demand and we'll let you stay in business and protect you from other crews messing with you." Right out of the Soprano's.

:buddies:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
I know they do this during Sturgis because of handlebar height etc. Guys will leave them loose so they can lower them if they see a cop.

Sounds safe to me! :lol:


See? Another misguided policy with unintended consequences as the result. What in the name of Pete's effing Pan is the government interest in handlebars???

:lol:
 
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