Round #2 - Presidential Debate....

[PsyOps]

Lord you people are dumb.

Good, intelligent retort...............

 

[pcjohnnyb]

Good, intelligent retort...............

I wanted to keep it on your level.

Seriously though, I just got sick of trying to convince you folks that weren't seeing it for what it was. :shrug: I decided it wasn't worth arguing.

 

[PsyOps]

I don't know why I even try to enlighten some people when I KNOW they aren't going to change their views on the subject.
This is why I stopped while I was behind

Is that why you are here? To change people through YOUR enlightenment? I'm really tempted to say that's "dumb" but I'm not stooping to that level.

 

[PsyOps]

I wanted to keep it on your level.

Seriously though, I just got sick of trying to convince you folks that weren't seeing it for what it was. :shrug: I decided it wasn't worth arguing.

You mean how you see it. There are differing points of views. You seem to be having a problem understanding that.

 

[awpitt]

Quote:
One of the main goals of McCain's plan is to move away from the employment based health system.

Based on?

Statement.

At a presidential debate Tuesday, Oct. 7, in Nashville, Tennessee, Democratic presidential candidate Sen. Barack Obama criticized the health-care plan of Republican opponent Sen. John McCain. "In fact, just today, business organizations like the United States Chamber of Commerce, which generally are
pretty supportive of Republicans, said that this would lead to the unraveling of the employer-based health care system," Obama said.

Fact Check.

McCain's health plan includes a $2,500 tax credit for individuals, or $5,000 for families, but also would end the tax-free status that employer-provided health plans currently have. The McCain campaign says that "families will be able to choose the insurance provider that suits them best and the money would be sent directly to the insurance provider."

....The article paraphrases officials from groups like the Chamber, the Business Roundtable and the National Federation of Independent Businesses saying that eliminating the income-tax exclusion would "accelerate the erosion of employer-sponsored health insurance and do little to reduce the number of uninsured from 45 million."

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[pcjohnnyb]

You mean how you see it. There are differing points of views. You seem to be having a problem understanding that.

and there is usually a right one

 

[bcp]

I didnt get to see the debate, I was at a redistricting meeting for AA county schools.

 

[BuddyLee]

and there is usually a right one

Not in politics.

 

[Bavarian]

Nobody really cares about FOCA, abortion or Roe v Wade right now.. it's not what everyone else is concerned about, and don't think it even makes the top ten issues of voters concerns. And for most people wouldn't be a deciding factor as to who they are going to vote for.

Even illegal immigration is on the backburner behind the wars in the middle East, and the economy..

Abortion, FOCA are the most important issues and the deciding point. McCain missed the opertunity to say we could save money defunding Planned Parenthood, a profit making institution. Obama should have been made to answer if his mandatory healthcare would have to use taxpayers money to kill babies.

 

[pcjohnnyb]

Not in politics.

 

[AndyMarquisLIVE]

Abortion, FOCA are the most important issues and the deciding point. McCain missed the opertunity to say we could save money defunding Planned Parenthood, a profit making institution. Obama should have been made to answer if his mandatory healthcare would have to use taxpayers money to kill babies.

(HYPOTHETICAL)

LEt's say your daughter is raped and becomes pregnant from it. You can't afford to have an abortion.

Should she now be forced to have the baby because nobody can afford it or because it goes aganst YOUR moral beliefs?

 

[ylexot]

HSAs are good to have in addition to a high deductable type of health coverage but not as a stand alone. That $5k you'd have after 5 years could be wiped out by one trip to the emergency room.

Right. People should be buying catastrophic health insurance, not I-got-a-boo-boo-so-I'm-going-to-see-the-doctor health insurance. Catastrophic insurance is much cheaper.

And why would you only have $5k in your HSA after 5 years if you're putting $10k in per year?

 

[awpitt]

Right. People should be buying catastrophic health insurance, not I-got-a-boo-boo-so-I'm-going-to-see-the-doctor health insurance. Catastrophic insurance is much cheaper.

And why would you only have $5k in your HSA after 5 years if you're putting $10k in per year?

I went by your example. ($5K covers your ins for 5 years)

 

[Bavarian]

(HYPOTHETICAL)

LEt's say your daughter is raped and becomes pregnant from it. You can't afford to have an abortion.

Should she now be forced to have the baby because nobody can afford it or because it goes aganst YOUR moral beliefs?

A child is a child no matter how they were conceived. Plenty of people are willing to adopt unwanted babies, they go overseas to find them. Why should the innocent, unborn child be subjected to a horrible death. Of course, BHO says even if the baby is born and survives, they should be killed. Even the pro-choicers find that repugent. That is why this needs to be brought our in the air and the MSM won't cover it, it has to be brought out in these debates.

 

[awpitt]

A child is a child no matter how they were conceived. Plenty of people are willing to adopt unwanted babies, they go overseas to find them. Why should the innocent, unborn child be subjected to a horrible death. Of course, BHO says even if the baby is born and survives, they should be killed. Even the pro-choicers find that repugent. That is why this needs to be brought our in the air and the MSM won't cover it, it has to be brought out in these debates.

When and where did he say, "even if the baby is born and survives, they should be killed"?

 

[ylexot]

I went by your example. ($5K covers your ins for 5 years)

The comment about HSAs was directed to those paying $10k per year and had nothing to do with what I pay per year. :shrug:

If you're paying $10k per year for insurance, might I suggest a Health Savings Account instead?

Please work on your reading comprehension.

 

[awpitt]

The comment about HSAs was directed to those paying $10k per year and had nothing to do with what I pay per year. :shrug:



Please work on your reading comprehension.

Whatever, $5K was what you posted as your example and my reading comprehension is just fine. In any event, one of my options this year is to sign up for an HSA along with the high deductable ins coverage. The only problem is that the premium isn't as much of a discount from my current plan as I thought it would be. It's $75 per payday cheaper so I'd put that difference it the HSA.

 

[ylexot]

Whatever, $5K was what you posted as your example.

Really? Show me where.

 

[tommyjones]

Whatever, $5K was what you posted as your example. In any event, one of my options this year is to sign up for an HSA along with the high deductable ins coverage. The only problem is that the premium isn't as much of a discount from my current plan as I thought it would be. It's $75 per payday cheaper so I'd put that difference it the HSA.

i dont know if it was his example, but i thought you got that from who ever said "if your insurance costs 4k/year you will have 1k/year to go into a HSA"

or something like that.

the problem is going tocome if our employers decide to reduce their contribution. then our portion will go up.

right now i pay 200 every 2 weeks for men and my son. thats about 4800/year. so mccans plan would do what for me?

 

[awpitt]

Really? Show me where.

$5k would cover my health insurance for 5 years :shrug: If you're paying $10k per year for insurance, might I suggest a Health Savings Account instead?

My response to this was that a stand alone HSA is not a good idea because one event could wipe it out. That statement holds true even if someone puts in $10K per year and most definately if one puts in only $1K per year.