rumor or fact??

ImnoMensa

New Member
I am hearing stories coming out of Annapolis that Mike Miller and Middleton of Charles County have gone completely nuts and sponsor a bill that would not only ban the new slots, but all forms of gambling, including Bingo, raffle tickets ,and even a 50-50 at the local Firehouse.

If true the payof to politicians from the people who want to get slots at race tracks must have been even bigger than we expect.
 

red_explorer

Well-Known Member
From somdnews.com
Middleton’s bill would halt video gambling


ANNAPOLIS — Top Democrats are getting behind a measure to outlaw video gaming terminals in St. Mary’s County the use of which by area businesses could violate state law and dodge tax reporting requirements.

Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr., Senate Finance Chairman Thomas ‘‘Mac” Middleton and others will introduce legislation today to phase out the machines that have popped up throughout St. Mary’s in recent months.

‘‘We’re right back to where we were in the 1960s where we have slots at every bar and every corner,” said Middleton (D-Charles), a longtime slots foe who is the Senate’s lead sponsor.

Miller ardently supports slots, but is sponsoring the bill to ensure the state receives gambling proceeds.

The machines ‘‘cannibalize our state lotteries,” he said. ‘‘These machines have sprung up almost like a disease. The state needs to be in control of its revenues.”

The bill’s supporters — Del. Frank S. Turner (D-Howard) is the lead sponsor in the House —scheduled a news conference for today, Feb. 27, to further detail their proposal.

Miller (D-Calvert, Prince George’s) said the measure would also phase out the pull-tab machines at establishments like the Rod ‘N’ Reel in Chesapeake Beach, which legally operate the terminals.

The unauthorized machines have sprouted up statewide, but the main concentration is in St. Mary’s. Their presence undercuts the effort to legalize slots in Maryland, which is projected to generate millions of dollars of revenue for the state, Middleton said.

‘‘To see that whole effort now being undermined with this cancerous proliferation of video machines ... that money is not going into the coffers to address the outstanding needs we have,” he said. ‘‘They’re going into the hands of a few individuals.”

Businesses lease space to vendors of the gaming machines, which resemble video slot machines but, instead of coins, dispense paper slips stating the money that a player wins. Revenues are supposed to only go toward charitable organizations, but Miller accused private owners of pocketing some of the proceeds.

‘‘These are counterfeit slot machines, but the money goes to private entrepreneurs. ... The state doesn’t benefit at all and as a consequence our lottery revenues are down,” he said. ‘‘We need to eliminate these machines; we need to take the money out of these private entrepreneurs who are operating illegally in the state and what we need to do is get a handle on this so the state can once again get control of the lottery revenues.”

The bill will be filed as emergency legislation, meaning Gov. Martin O’Malley (D) can sign it as soon as it passes. Businesses found to be using the machines would have to cease operations immediately, but establishments like Rod ‘N’ Reel will have more time to phase them out.

‘‘The ones that have played by the rules get a longer time to adapt because they made a significant investment, but eventually all will be terminated,” Miller said.

Meanwhile, auditors for Comptroller Peter V.R. Franchot (D) went to St. Mary’s this week to investigate whether the video gaming machines are properly licensed and are paying Maryland taxes.

‘‘I believe that these machines need to be clearly defined in statute for what they are: slot machines that are operating in violation of the spirit of Maryland’s law banning them,” Franchot wrote in a letter sent Monday to Miller and House Speaker Michael E. Busch (D-Anne Arundel).

St. Mary’s County State’s Attorney Richard D. Fritz and Sheriff Timothy K. Cameron, both Republicans, have said the machines are legal, but voiced concern that there is no apparatus to track the proceeds.

‘‘This is a cash only business which makes it not only ripe for corruption, but for tax evasion as well,” Franchot wrote.

In one of his first acts as comptroller last year, Franchot launched a crackdown on gaming machines in Baltimore city, sending field agents into businesses to track proceeds and tax account numbers.

Sen. Roy P. Dyson (D-St. Mary’s, Calvert, Charles) has sponsored legislation requiring the Maryland attorney general’s office to decide on the legality of the machines. It will be heard in the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee on Thursday.
 
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wkndbeacher

Guest
From somdnews.com
Middleton’s bill would halt video gambling


ANNAPOLIS — Top Democrats are getting behind a measure to outlaw video gaming terminals in St. Mary’s County the use of which by area businesses could violate state law and dodge tax reporting requirements.

Senate President Thomas V. Mike Miller Jr., Senate Finance Chairman Thomas ‘‘Mac” Middleton and others will introduce legislation today to phase out the machines that have popped up throughout St. Mary’s in recent months.

‘‘We’re right back to where we were in the 1960s where we have slots at every bar and every corner,” said Middleton (D-Charles), a longtime slots foe who is the Senate’s lead sponsor.

Miller ardently supports slots, but is sponsoring the bill to ensure the state receives gambling proceeds.

The machines ‘‘cannibalize our state lotteries,” he said. ‘‘These machines have sprung up almost like a disease. The state needs to be in control of its revenues.”

The bill’s supporters — Del. Frank S. Turner (D-Howard) is the lead sponsor in the House —scheduled a news conference for today, Feb. 27, to further detail their proposal.

Miller (D-Calvert, Prince George’s) said the measure would also phase out the pull-tab machines at establishments like the Rod ‘N’ Reel in Chesapeake Beach, which legally operate the terminals.

The unauthorized machines have sprouted up statewide, but the main concentration is in St. Mary’s. Their presence undercuts the effort to legalize slots in Maryland, which is projected to generate millions of dollars of revenue for the state, Middleton said.

‘‘To see that whole effort now being undermined with this cancerous proliferation of video machines ... that money is not going into the coffers to address the outstanding needs we have,” he said. ‘‘They’re going into the hands of a few individuals.”

Businesses lease space to vendors of the gaming machines, which resemble video slot machines but, instead of coins, dispense paper slips stating the money that a player wins. Revenues are supposed to only go toward charitable organizations, but Miller accused private owners of pocketing some of the proceeds.

‘‘These are counterfeit slot machines, but the money goes to private entrepreneurs. ... The state doesn’t benefit at all and as a consequence our lottery revenues are down,” he said. ‘‘We need to eliminate these machines; we need to take the money out of these private entrepreneurs who are operating illegally in the state and what we need to do is get a handle on this so the state can once again get control of the lottery revenues.”

The bill will be filed as emergency legislation, meaning Gov. Martin O’Malley (D) can sign it as soon as it passes. Businesses found to be using the machines would have to cease operations immediately, but establishments like Rod ‘N’ Reel will have more time to phase them out.

‘‘The ones that have played by the rules get a longer time to adapt because they made a significant investment, but eventually all will be terminated,” Miller said.

Meanwhile, auditors for Comptroller Peter V.R. Franchot (D) went to St. Mary’s this week to investigate whether the video gaming machines are properly licensed and are paying Maryland taxes.

‘‘I believe that these machines need to be clearly defined in statute for what they are: slot machines that are operating in violation of the spirit of Maryland’s law banning them,” Franchot wrote in a letter sent Monday to Miller and House Speaker Michael E. Busch (D-Anne Arundel).

St. Mary’s County State’s Attorney Richard D. Fritz and Sheriff Timothy K. Cameron, both Republicans, have said the machines are legal, but voiced concern that there is no apparatus to track the proceeds.

‘‘This is a cash only business which makes it not only ripe for corruption, but for tax evasion as well,” Franchot wrote.

In one of his first acts as comptroller last year, Franchot launched a crackdown on gaming machines in Baltimore city, sending field agents into businesses to track proceeds and tax account numbers.

Sen. Roy P. Dyson (D-St. Mary’s, Calvert, Charles) has sponsored legislation requiring the Maryland attorney general’s office to decide on the legality of the machines. It will be heard in the Senate Judicial Proceedings Committee on Thursday.


Oh well, I still plan on playing them this evening for a few hours :nomoney::lmao:
 
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RadioPatrol

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Miller ardently supports slots, but is sponsoring the bill to ensure the state receives gambling proceeds.

The machines ‘‘cannibalize our state lotteries,” he said. ‘‘These machines have sprung up almost like a disease. The state needs to be in control of its revenues.”



‘‘To see that whole effort now being undermined with this cancerous proliferation of video machines ... that money is not going into the coffers to address the outstanding needs we have,” he said. ‘‘They’re going into the hands of a few individuals.”

Businesses lease space to vendors of the gaming machines, which resemble video slot machines but, instead of coins, dispense paper slips stating the money that a player wins. Revenues are supposed to only go toward charitable organizations, but Miller accused private owners of pocketing some of the proceeds.

‘‘These are counterfeit slot machines, but the money goes to private entrepreneurs. ... The state doesn’t benefit at all and as a consequence our lottery revenues are down,” he said. ‘‘We need to eliminate these machines; we need to take the money out of these private entrepreneurs who are operating illegally in the state and what we need to do is get a handle on this so the state can once again get control of the lottery revenues.”



Meanwhile, auditors for Comptroller Peter V.R. Franchot (D) went to St. Mary’s this week to investigate whether the video gaming machines are properly licensed and are paying Maryland taxes.

‘‘I believe that these machines need to be clearly defined in statute for what they are: slot machines that are operating in violation of the spirit of Maryland’s law banning them,” Franchot wrote in a letter sent Monday to Miller and House Speaker Michael E. Busch (D-Anne Arundel).

I snipped out the best parts .......... Alert, Alert ........ the state is not getting it's cut of the monies ... the money is not going to pet projects we support, but people who really need it ..........

competition to the State Lottery, lottery revenues are down because of a few doz machines :jameo: nice to know a few doz machines can have such an effect on the state wide lottery :rolleyes:
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
There is a tough issue ahead for all of us when the November referendum rolls around. Do we legalize slot machines for state budget purposes or vote nay and hope that the E-tab machines will hang on?

I can tell you with 99.999999% certainty that even if the state wide slots referendum passes the E-tab will be gone simply because the state will not be getting enough of the pie. I saw the sign in front of the Landing that says to "Vote NO on slots" I guess in hope of state slots not passing the owners feel that the E Tabs will be able to stay. I'm sorry but this is not going to happen. If the slots do not get approved, then where in the world is the state supposed to get all this money Baltimore City, er I mean the state needs to operate? A no vote on slots is a yes vote for higher taxes.

If Owe-Malley, Miller and Busch et, al want more revenue from the lottery then stop the proceeds from benefitting the Maryland Stadium Authority.:shrug: I know that tax payer money helped to build Camden Yards and M&T Bank stadiums and I don't know about the rest of you Maryland taxpayers but I have yet to receive a complimentary thank you ticket to go into a stadium that I helped (against my will) fund.

As far as Miler saying that the machines are illegal he may want to do a little background research before he spouts off. He is/was a lawyer right? so he should know about stuff like researching the facts if he is going to spout off. And for Franchot saying that the machines "violate the spirit of the law" this to me is another pile of political double speak. What exactly does the phrase "spirit of the law" mean? This leaves waaay too much wiggle room for those dunderheads in Annapolis and their interpretations of the law. "That's what I said, but not what I meant."
 

cwo_ghwebb

No Use for Donk Twits
It's the same line from politicians from the beginning of time. No money for me, no money for you.


It's all a matter of control. Mikey isn't controlling the slots already in St. Mary's. As he said, the state isn't getting the money, it's going in the hands of a few individuals (who obviously haven't paid him off). The statement that killed me was "those that played by the rules" get more time to phase out their machines. If the machines now in St. Mary's were illegal, they would have been shut down in a week, Mikey.

Stooopid politicians.
 
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RadioPatrol

Guest
.... <snip>
:shrug: I know that tax payer money helped to build Camden Yards and M&T Bank stadiums and I don't know about the rest of you Maryland taxpayers but I have yet to receive a complimentary thank you ticket to go into a stadium that I helped (against my will) fund.



Corporate Welfare ........ Sports Teams are a billion $$$ business, the last thing we need is state funds paying for anything related it Improvements


ya wanna tax something: tax sports enterprises, owners, players, @ 75% ...... :faint:


leave small business owners alone ...........
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
The statement that killed me was "those that played by the rules" get more time to phase out their machines. If the machines now in St. Mary's were illegal, they would have been shut down in a week, Mikey.

Stooopid politicians.

According to the Enterprise, "The devices, which are currently LEGAL under a 2001 Court of Appeals ruling and a subsequent attorney general's opinion, resemble slot machines, but dispense a predetermined(key word here) paper receipt showing if a player has won."

Methinks Mr. Miller may want to have someone on his staff do a little better job on checking court cases and I'll bet that "those who played by the rules" are on a first name basis with Mikey Miller. Also, those "sticklers" to the rules found the loophole a few years ago and exploited it and the only reason they get to keep their machines longer is the fact that they had them first.:wink:
 

Larry Gude

Strung Out
Damn if that...

The machines ‘‘cannibalize our state lotteries,” he said. ‘‘These machines have sprung up almost like a disease. The state needs to be in control of its revenues.”

...doesn't tell you all you need to know about the mindset of our elected leaders.

Can't have no freaking people spending money as they see fit. It's a disease unless it comes from Mount Annapolis.


Holy ####. I appreciate the frankness, though.
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
...doesn't tell you all you need to know about the mindset of our elected leaders.

Can't have no freaking people spending money as they see fit. It's a disease unless it comes from Mount Annapolis.


Holy ####. I appreciate the frankness, though.

I wonder if Messrs. OweMalley, Miller, Busch and Franchot were to READ transcripts of these passages what their reactions would be?:backpedal:

As far as "cannibalize our state lotteries" I give you this: (Cited from The Enterprise) "statewide lottery sales are UP 9% but down 5.35% in St. Mary's", even by my trifling math skills that is still an INCREASE in lottery revenue.
 
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ImnoMensa

New Member
O noticed that the phasing out at the Rod and Reel will take some time. I am sure that Mike Miller living within 3 miles of the Rod and Reel dosnt have anything to do with that. By the way who owns the Rod and Reel?. An individual or a politician?
 

kom526

They call me ... Sarcasmo
O noticed that the phasing out at the Rod and Reel will take some time. I am sure that Mike Miller living within 3 miles of the Rod and Reel dosnt have anything to do with that. By the way who owns the Rod and Reel?. An individual or a politician?

My guess would be an individual who lines the politicians pockets. But that's just me thinking out loud.:shrug:
 

cwo_ghwebb

No Use for Donk Twits
O noticed that the phasing out at the Rod and Reel will take some time. I am sure that Mike Miller living within 3 miles of the Rod and Reel dosnt have anything to do with that. By the way who owns the Rod and Reel?. An individual or a politician?

I live in Charles County but I would be willing to wager the owner has been in elected office once or twice.

:lmao:
 
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