AndyMarquisLIVE
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Absolutely ridiculous.
Safety crew at Pocono
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Absolutely ridiculous.
MMDad
Lem Putt
Absolutely ridiculous.
What's ridiculous about it?
Nanny Pam
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Proof that JPM has managed to piss of literally everyone in NASCAR ... including the emergency crews.
AndyMarquisLIVE
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He parked right next to the safety workers. They're standing there, I mean they have fire extinguishers in their hands and they're just standing there.
NASCAR's response about them being driver safety workers (even though they had fire extinguishers in their hands) was equally painful. I'm glad Juan Pablo Montoya got himself out of there as fast as he did.
NASCAR needs to hire their own safety workers to put out fires and respond to accidents like the NHRA does.
Man, Montoya's car always seems to catch fire though. He's getting used to running from the flames now.
clevalley
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That was a piss pore response time, ESPECIALLY when he drove the car to them (which was good thinking on his part.) Even after they got around to put it out it was still flaming under the right side by the rear tire... I was like "what the hell???"
I like the comment one of the announcers made "Hey Juan, can we get your autograph before we put the car out?"
I like the comment one of the announcers made "Hey Juan, can we get your autograph before we put the car out?"
MMDad
Lem Putt
He parked right next to the safety workers. They're standing there, I mean they have fire extinguishers in their hands and they're just standing there.
NASCAR's response about them being driver safety workers (even though they had fire extinguishers in their hands) was equally painful. I'm glad Juan Pablo Montoya got himself out of there as fast as he did.
NASCAR needs to hire their own safety workers to put out fires and respond to accidents like the NHRA does.
Man, Montoya's car always seems to catch fire though. He's getting used to running from the flames now.
He was out of the car before they could even have walked over to him. They could not enter the track as long as the car was moving. As soon as he stopped and got out of the car, why should they endanger themselves by entering the track?
If you notice, when the safety crews do their job correctly, the truck parks between the crashed car and oncoming traffic. That allows a safety barrier in case another car comes along and loses control.
Believe it or not, the fire crews aren't out there travelling at 100 MPH just waiting for someone to crash. They got moving, and caught up to JPM's car soon after he stopped. At that point, the only lives in danger were those of the track workers. The fire looked dramatic, but it was only hurting his car. Why put additional lives in danger to save a car?
Once the safety crews showed up, the went to the fire they could see through the smoke. If you notice, they started putting it out at the left rear, where hot brakes and the fuel tank are a much greater risk than the burning plastic on the back. They concentrated on the danger, not the drama you saw on TV.
There's actually a method to their response. It may look disorganized and lazy to you, but they actually do know what they are doing.
The fire looked dramatic, but it wasn't anything to get
about.
AndyMarquisLIVE
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Those snarky little comments from Wally and Kyle Petty in the TNT booth were great."You guys can put that fire out anytime now."
"Yeah Mr. Montoya can I have your autograph?"
They were just standing there with fire extinguishers in their hands talking to Montoya (seeing if he was okay I guess, which he obviously was
) and just watching it burn.
AndyMarquisLIVE
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He was out of the car before they could even have walked over to him. They could not enter the track as long as the car was moving. As soon as he stopped and got out of the car, why should they endanger themselves by entering the track?
If you notice, when the safety crews do their job correctly, the truck parks between the crashed car and oncoming traffic. That allows a safety barrier in case another car comes along and loses control.
Believe it or not, the fire crews aren't out there travelling at 100 MPH just waiting for someone to crash. They got moving, and caught up to JPM's car soon after he stopped. At that point, the only lives in danger were those of the track workers. The fire looked dramatic, but it was only hurting his car. Why put additional lives in danger to save a car?
Once the safety crews showed up, the went to the fire they could see through the smoke. If you notice, they started putting it out at the left rear, where hot brakes and the fuel tank are a much greater risk than the burning plastic on the back. They concentrated on the danger, not the drama you saw on TV.
There's actually a method to their response. It may look disorganized and lazy to you, but they actually do know what they are doing.
The fire looked dramatic, but it wasn't anything to get
He took the car to them.
The fire crews are there for a reason. Of course you'd defend it.
They are supposed to be there ASAP. Even NASCAR aknowledged that the response was much too lengthy. I would imagine Bill Weber and KP know a little more about this than you, Bill having covered NASCAR for 20+ years now and KP racing since the 1970s.That whole thing was painful to watch. I'd have to go watch an old Formula 1 race to see such painful responses. It was a damn good thing that was an oil fire and not a fuel line rupture.
MMDad
Lem Putt
He took the car to them.
The fire crews are there for a reason. Of course you'd defend it.
First, the fire crews didn't know where or if he was going to stop until he did. For all they knew, he was going to try to continue around the track and try to make the pits. Until he stopped, they couldn't start heading toward him.
Once he stopped and the response could start, JPM was out of the car. There was no longer any threat to any people. Nothing to get
about.NASCAR made their statement because there were knowledgeless whiners complaining about the response time.
What should they have done? Gotten all
ran out to the car, and check to make sure there weren't any passengers?Time the response. Not from the time he crashed, but from the time he stopped until the safety truck arrived. You'll find that it was a reasonable response, not something to freak out over.
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Gtmustang88
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^+1First, the fire crews didn't know where or if he was going to stop until he did. For all they knew, he was going to try to continue around the track and try to make the pits. Until he stopped, they couldn't start heading toward him.
Once he stopped and the response could start, JPM was out of the car. There was no longer any threat to any people. Nothing to get
NASCAR made their statement because there were knowledgeless whiners complaining about the response time.
What should they have done? Gotten all
Time the response. Not from the time he crashed, but from the time he stopped until the safety truck arrived. You'll find that it was a reasonable response, not something to freak out over.
The driver is the number 1 concern.
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FireBuff40
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Dover Fire Department handles all Fire and EMS calls during race weekend..... They also get help from surrounding companies to assist and fill-in at their stations
AndyMarquisLIVE
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I think NASCAR should do just like the NHRA and employ its own safety team.
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FireBuff40
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from Doverfire.org
Nascar comes to Dover this weekend and it always poses an extra challenge for firefighters with the Dover Fire Department. Crews will be at the track near the Start/Finish Line and the North First Aid station starting Thursday night at 1700 hours until Sunday June 2. These crews will be providing fire and ems protection for Race Fans that are visiting Dover for the race. Crews will be responding to all emergencies over the weekend and enjoy interacting with all of the visitors as they are very courteous to the Dover Fire Department. Firefighters that are not working at the track will remain at the Stations providing fire protection for the residents of the City of Dover as always. We hope everyone stays safe but in case of an emergency please dial 911. If you have any questions please feel free to call Dover Fire Department Headquarters at 302-736-7168. Enjoy the Race.
Nascar comes to Dover this weekend and it always poses an extra challenge for firefighters with the Dover Fire Department. Crews will be at the track near the Start/Finish Line and the North First Aid station starting Thursday night at 1700 hours until Sunday June 2. These crews will be providing fire and ems protection for Race Fans that are visiting Dover for the race. Crews will be responding to all emergencies over the weekend and enjoy interacting with all of the visitors as they are very courteous to the Dover Fire Department. Firefighters that are not working at the track will remain at the Stations providing fire protection for the residents of the City of Dover as always. We hope everyone stays safe but in case of an emergency please dial 911. If you have any questions please feel free to call Dover Fire Department Headquarters at 302-736-7168. Enjoy the Race.
Ponytail
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Eh, these guys had fire extinguishers :shrug: ... Emergency response team was in the shut down area, 1/4 mile away.
YouTube - Bob Motz Kenworth in Flames - Part One
YouTube - Bob Motz Kenworth in Flames - Part Two
It should be left with the responsibility of the track, to provide ample trained emergency crews for each event. It should be up to NASCAR, IHRA and NHRA governing bodies to MANDATE, and check for minimum emergency coverage for each event.
Trying to pick which area of the track is most dangerous, is ridiculous. Should be emergency crews at both ends of of an IHRA and NHRA track. I've seen way too many wrecks at or before the 60 ft mark at the drag track to agree with the common perception of the shut down area being the most dangerous. It may be, but the incident rate at the starting line is still too high to forget about.
Nascar, I think has it right. Put the vehicles in motion and drive to wherever the car stops. Its still unbelivable to me how fast NASCAR emergency response teams are, especially to the larger pile-ups where immediate coordination of the teams is key.
The thing that got me, as far as the drama created by your video posting, is how un-excited the driver is about his car being on fire. If the crews weren't doing what they were trained to do, I think that he would have been the first one to get
about it.
GWguy
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The thing that got me, as far as the drama created by your video posting, is how un-excited the driver is about his car being on fire. If the crews weren't doing what they were trained to do, I think that he would have been the first one to get
Training and time in the seat. My boss and people I work with have brought in F-14s and EA-6Bs on fire. Ground control is telling them to eject, and you hear the pilot in a very calm and matter-of-fact voice say "Naw.. I think I can make it back..." They land, the plane is just about molten, and they just get out and walk away like NASCAR this weekend. It's just no big deal to them.