Say Goodbye to Permissionless Travel

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Once upon a time, citizens of the United States could travel to almost every country in the European Union for 90 days without asking any government for permission beyond showing a passport at the initial point of entry. It was—and still is, for a few waning months—a marvelous if underacknowledged achievement for liberty.

Alas, the days of frictionless travel will soon be a memory. Starting at a so-far-unspecified date in early 2024, Americans and residents of 62 other countries that currently enjoy visa-free visitation to the Schengen Area of the E.U. will need to pay a fee and submit an online application (including biometric information, work experience, medical conditions, and initial itinerary), then pass a criminal/security background check, before enjoying that croissant in gay Paree. The grimly named European Travel Information and Authorisation System (ETIAS) is projected to cost 7 euros per application and take up to 14 days to render a decision.

Before you start shaking your fist at freedom-hating Eurocrats, know that ETIAS is the belated continental answer to a system the U.S. has imposed on residents of friendly countries since 2009, called the Electronic System for Travel Authorization, or ESTA. Like ETIAS, ESTA is a response to 21st-century terrorist attacks and combines modest fees ($21) with less-than-instantaneous turnaround times (a promised 72 hours). Both either tweak or torpedo (depending on your point of view) the notion of reciprocal "visa waiver" travel between high-trust countries.



 

HemiHauler

Well-Known Member
Schengen countries are just playing catch-up to the US. ESTA has been a thing since 2010. Nothing more than a retaliatory move. Like most security measures for travel, it will furnish but a veneer of security.

Won’t slow me down one bit, couldn’t care less.
 

Tech

Well-Known Member
Why is that?

We charge similar fees for ESTA visitors to our nation. Would you rather that cost be borne by the taxpayers or the beneficiaries of the program - aka the people traveling here?
You assumed that that I did not include US fees into the BS. $4 to cover cost, $17 to Brand USA.
 

Bare-ya-cuda

Well-Known Member
Schengen countries are just playing catch-up to the US. ESTA has been a thing since 2010. Nothing more than a retaliatory move. Like most security measures for travel, it will furnish but a veneer of security.

Won’t slow me down one bit, couldn’t care less.
Not making parole will slow you down though.
 

black dog

Free America
Why is that?

We charge similar fees for ESTA visitors to our nation. Would you rather that cost be borne by the taxpayers or the beneficiaries of the program - aka the people traveling here?
We are already fully supporting 10's of millions here, whats few bullshit entry fee's.
 
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SamSpade

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Funny, I was just reading the other day about nations that don't require visas to enter - or - like Canada USED to be - require passports to enter.
I was suprised when we went to Ethiopia twice that a visa could be bought for twenty bucks stepping off the plane.

I've only been to a handful of foreign countries, and they all required SOMETHING. I just naturally assumed they ALL did. Heck, we needed one just to RE-ENTER the United States.
 

vraiblonde

Board Mommy
PREMO Member
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I have no desire to leave the US so this won't bother me in the slightest. I have a co-worker who is British and she thinks I'm ignorant because everything I need is right here in the good ol' US of A, but note that she's here too and not anywhere closer to her home.

:jet:
 

Tech

Well-Known Member
Funny, I was just reading the other day about nations that don't require visas to enter - or - like Canada USED to be - require passports to enter.
I was suprised when we went to Ethiopia twice that a visa could be bought for twenty bucks stepping off the plane.

I've only been to a handful of foreign countries, and they all required SOMETHING. I just naturally assumed they ALL did. Heck, we needed one just to RE-ENTER the United States.
Wasn't it dependent on the country issuing the passport? Arrived at their custom entry and showed passport. Tourist visa given when passport stamp. That was the way when I visited Ireland a few years back.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Wasn't it dependent on the country issuing the passport? Arrived at their custom entry and showed passport. Tourist visa given when passport stamp. That was the way when I visited Ireland a few years back.
I am guessing that it is. Just - when I went to China and Russia, I had to apply for a visa before travel.
And damn, in Russia I had to report every three days where I was and what I was doing.
 

Monello

Smarter than the average bear
PREMO Member
Show up in an European nation without a visa and be denied entry.

Show up at the southern border of the US without visa and get a bus trip to any destination. Might qualify for other social assistance programs.
 

GURPS

INGSOC
PREMO Member
Taking to his social media platform, Truth Social, Trump stated that all U.S. Citizens would be required to pay for a visa in order to visit Europe starting in 2024. He added that they were providing Europe with everything, including trade and military protection, and yet they are requiring payment for U.S. citizens to travel there.

He claimed that this shows that there is no respect for the United States and that if he wins back the White House, he would not allow this situation to happen. However, despite his claims, Trump did not provide a clear way in which he would stop the European Union from requesting an entry fee from Americans visiting the continent.

Currently, U.S. travelers visiting Europe need to submit an application to the European Travel Information and Authorization System (ETIAS) if they want to visit the 30 European countries that are on that list. Travelers are required to pay an entry fee with their application for short-term stays in the area.

The ETIAS website requires applicants to include a variety of personal information in order to submit a visa including their name, nationality, date of birth, parent’s name, address, phone number, and email address. They are also required to include information about their current occupation, education, and their reason for visiting Europe. Those with authorization from the ETIAS area are allowed to visit Europe for up to 90 days within a 180-day period.



 
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