Should Matt Dubay

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Pandora

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Lildevil

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Pandora said:
have to pay child support. :shrug:

While Dubay says he was tricked because his ex, Lauren Wells, also of Saginaw Township, told him that she was unable do get pregnant due to a medical condition.

My view, the guy is a pig. He had unprotected sex, is old enough to understand how babies are made and should have to pay up.

IF a man would win a case on this argument, it would open the floodgates of men everywhere complaining they were tricked. :blahblah:

They are calling it the male Roe vs. Wade case.
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I think anyone who has a child should be liable for that child under any circumstances.
 
FromTexas

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Lildevil said:
I think anyone who has a child should be liable for that child under any circumstances.
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Even sperm donors? That would fall in that any circumstance category.
 
Lilypad

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History-

Dubay 24 yrs old, a computer technician, began dating a 20 yr old woman who worked in cell phone sales, after 3 mos. they broke off their relationship,
she told him she was pregnant. She originally told him she couldn't get pregnant-because she was using contraception and had physical conditions that prevented her from getting pregnant.

Dubay stated, as a man, I have no options and am forced to live with her choices," Dubay said "I was up front. I was clear that I didn't want to be a father and she reassured me that she was incapable of getting pregnant."
After learning of the pregnancy, they discussed adoption.
"I was trying to talk reason, to try and have a two-way conversation. She considered an adoption but then quickly stopped listening,"

Dubay recently was ordered to pay support for his 8-month-old daughter, $425.00 a month, plus half of all health care expenses for the baby girl.

This is all a bit much to me-here's a man who knowingly had unprotected sex-the gal using birth control or having physical issues that prevents pregnancy has nothing to do with the stupid decision he made.
Typical-the child now suffers because 2 stupid people decided to breed!
 
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Kain99

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She lied like a dog. He trusted her. I don't think he should have to pay.
 
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Lilypad said:
IMHO-whether the gal lied or not what was HE thinking?? :smack:
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He was thinking that she was 100% unable to have a child. Everyone knows that mistakes happen on birth control but she added the physical ailment bologna. She's a peice of crapola and should pay for her own baby. JMHO. :huggy:
 
RoseRed

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If she was unable to get pregnant due to medical reasons, why was she on birth control?
 
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People who have unprotected sex in a world full of communicable diseases - some with no cure - are stupid.

And if you don't want a baby use protection - it's not just the woman's job.
 
Lilypad

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Kain99 said:
He was thinking that she was 100% unable to have a child. Everyone knows that mistakes happen on birth control but she added the physical ailment bologna. She's a peice of crapola and should pay for her own baby. JMHO. :huggy:
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I git yo drift BUT-try telling that to the judge-"She told me"...ain't gonna float! :poke:
 
vraiblonde

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Tough call.

I think that, since women have the abortion "out", guys should have an out, too. It doesn't really seem fair that not only can women decide to abort a baby that the father wants, but they can also give birth to a child the father doesn't want.
 
morganj614

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Kain99 said:
He was thinking that she was 100% unable to have a child. Everyone knows that mistakes happen on birth control but she added the physical ailment bologna. She's a peice of crapola and should pay for her own baby. JMHO. :huggy:
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If he was thinking with the big head, he would have wrapped his weiner no matter what. There's more than pregnancy out there.
 
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Pandora

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They had an interview with a lawyer supporting the case early this morning on Fox and it was so heated they were screaming back and forth (the lawyer and the interviewer).

The lawyer’s stance on it all was that men should have a choice as well; women want choice, equal rights, :blahblah: that a man should also have that choice. The interviewer took the stance that a real man would support his child and his responsibility.

Ironic, but it is like opening Pandora's box on the subject. :jameo:
 
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Nickel

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I saw them on Dr. Phil a few weeks ago. :lol: The woman refused to be on TV, and from what I gathered, she loves her daughter and will do anything for her. The "father" wants nothing to do with her. I get the feeling that he's being used as a pawn by his attorney, and the head of some "Men's Advocacy" group (not sure of the name) to prove a point and set a precedent. Don't get me wrong, I think he believes in what he's fighting for, but I don't think he's in control of it...make sense? He has a valid point, whether we agree with it or not, and I'd be interested to see how it all plays out.
 
StarCat

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Lilypad said:
Dubay recently was ordered to pay support for his 8-month-old daughter, $425.00 a month, plus half of all health care expenses for the baby girl.
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She must have had a hell of a lawyer. I'm supposed to get $250 for my 7 year old, but I never get it. :ohwell:
 
StarCat

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jaie said:
It's based on income.
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True, however, it shouldnt be. It SHOULD be based on capability. My ex refuses to get a half decent job. He is capable of getting a half decent job. Instead, he worked part time at a carryout, til he got fired. Now hes gone back to working under the table. I think they way they do it, and the lack of consequences when you dont pay, encourages men to not have to pay. I hope that made sense.
 
jaie

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StarCat said:
True, however, it shouldnt be. It SHOULD be based on capability. My ex refuses to get a half decent job. He is capable of getting a half decent job. Instead, he worked part time at a carryout, til he got fired. Now hes gone back to working under the table. I think they way they do it, and the lack of consequences when you dont pay, encourages men to not have to pay. I hope that made sense.
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Yea I get it. I get a little over $300 a month from my ex. The thing that gets me about all of this though is my ex wanted to have a kid but if he could get away with saying he never wanted her so he didn't have to pay childsupport he would, So what happens when it's OK for this man to get away with it? The deadbeats will be coming out of the woodwork.
 
hvp05

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vraiblonde said:
Tough call.

I think that, since women have the abortion "out", guys should have an out, too. It doesn't really seem fair that not only can women decide to abort a baby that the father wants, but they can also give birth to a child the father doesn't want.
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:yeahthat: But how does the court regulate the father's "out" clause? Too restrictive and it may as well not be included, too liberal and the JPCs come flocking.

I want to sympathize with the guy because he is in his biological position. He can not gauge her fertility simply by looking at her, and unless he follows her to the Ob/Gyn, he must trust her claim.

Simultaneously, we all know children have been conceived under very extraordinary circumstances. The mother in this case may have had a 'condition' + birth control and she could still have gotten pregnant, hypothetically. Now that the baby is here, there is no turning back, so I am inclined to say he should accept it and pay for the mistake.

He could win, but he will have to draw on the court's sympathy, and it will be close.
 
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