So whose fault is it

[PeoplesElbow]

That hospitals don't seem to have enough supplies? Seems that going lean and expecting the deliveries when you need something bit people in the ass. The thing about having enough of something in an unforseen circumstance means you have to pay for storage when you don't need it.

I had an argument in a lean six sigma class one time about how important it was to have certain things when you need them but the instructor wasn't having it and kept insisting that it just cost more money to have an on hand supply of things.

 

[stgislander]

That hospitals don't seem to have enough supplies? Seems that going lean and expecting the deliveries when you need something bit people in the ass. The thing about having enough of something in an unforseen circumstance means you have to pay for storage when you don't need it.

I had an argument in a lean six sigma class one time about how important it was to have certain things when you need them but the instructor wasn't having it and kept insisting that it just cost more money to have an on hand supply of things.

Are they still doing that?

 

[PeoplesElbow]

Are they still doing that?

Oh yea

 

[mitzi]

That hospitals don't seem to have enough supplies? Seems that going lean and expecting the deliveries when you need something bit people in the ass.

I don't think they go "lean". PPE supplies usually are delivered weekly based on usage. Suddenly, every employee in the hospital is wearing masks and gloves. You rarely saw an employee wearing a mask or gloves previously. Now those that aren't directly involved with patient care are using them. There went the supply that under normal circumstances would have been adequate.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I don't think they go "lean". PPE supplies usually are delivered weekly based on usage.

That is basically what going lean is.

 

[mitzi]

I don't think it's anyone's fault. Why in the world would they keep in stock enough gloves and masks for the business office, maintenance, materials management, IT and all the other behind the scenes employees.

 

[GURPS]

Just in time manufacturing and delivery, works .... until a pandemic huts

 

[PeoplesElbow]

I don't think it's anyone's fault. Why in the world would they keep in stock enough gloves and masks for the business office, maintenance, materials management, IT and all the other behind the scenes employees.

Hospitals are supposed to have plans in place for such things happening. The current pandemic is actually much less widespread than the possible biological warfare incidents that I would have hopes they have plans for. If there is a real bad pandemic I'd say we are screwed.

Facebook had 700k masks to donate, I'd imagine a large hospital should have more masks than Facebook.

 

[Hijinx]

So the hospital buys N-95 masks and has enough for a pandemic, and the expiration date runs out on them and they have to toss them out.
Sterile bandages have an expiration date and they are sealed. Toss them out when they expire?

How many times do you toss out stuff like this that is perfectly safe to use before you decide not to keep so many.
Your Epi pen has an expiration date and costs $300 dollars, and is perfectly fine and better than nothing way past the expiration date.
If it goes to a hospital it probably has an expiration date on it, and someone will toss it out when the date is up.

 

[Monello]

So the hospital buys N-95 masks and has enough for a pandemic, and the expiration date runs out on them and they have to toss them out.
Sterile bandages have an expiration date and they are sealed. Toss them out when they expire?

How many times do you toss out stuff like this that is perfectly safe to use before you decide not to keep so many.
Your Epi pen has an expiration date and costs $300 dollars, and is perfectly fine and better than nothing way past the expiration date.
If it goes to a hospital it probably has an expiration date on it, and someone will toss it out when the date is up.

When I did community relation project overseas while in the Navy, we often delivered expired US medical supplies to 3rd world nations. Better outdated than no supplies at all. I'm sure the donating agency got some sort of tax break.

 

[mitzi]

If it goes to a hospital it probably has an expiration date on it, and someone will toss it out when the date is up.

There's normally such a turn around, nothing would go past an expiration date.

 

[mitzi]

Facebook had 700k masks to donate, I'd imagine a large hospital should have more masks than Facebook.

A hospital is not going to have 700K masks in their storeroom.

 

[vraiblonde]

A hospital is not going to have 700K masks in their storeroom.

And yet Facebook apparently did.....

 

[rmorse]

And yet Facebook apparently did.....

Probably because most people on Facebook are talking out of their ass and need to block the smell

 

[mitzi]

So the forum now has physicians, scientists, infectious disease specialists and now hospital Administrators. Good to know in times of a pandemic. I'm so reassured.

 

[rmorse]

So the forum now has physicians, scientists, infectious disease specialists and now hospital Administrators. Good to know in times of a pandemic. I'm so reassured.

Lawyers too

 

[WingsOfGold]

When I did community relation project overseas while in the Navy, we often delivered expired US medical supplies to 3rd world nations. Better outdated than no supplies at all. I'm sure the donating agency got some sort of tax break.

I must be a 3rd world nation, I buy that crap whenever I see it......... cheap.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

So the forum now has physicians, scientists, infectious disease specialists and now hospital Administrators. Good to know in times of a pandemic. I'm so reassured.

I'm just saying they are supposed to be prepared for things like this, they received a lot of federal money after 9-11 for such scenarios. It is a lot easier than each hospital to stock a month worth of masks for everyone than it is for the feds to stock a month of masks for every single hospital in the US.

If a hospital can't plan for a large outbreak of a disease then who can? Maybe Facebook and Amazon should run hospitals?

 

[Bann]

I'm just saying they are supposed to be prepared for things like this, they received a lot of federal money after 9-11 for such scenarios. It is a lot easier than each hospital to stock a month worth of masks for everyone than it is for the feds to stock a month of masks for every single hospital in the US.

If a hospital can't plan for a large outbreak of a disease then who can? Maybe Facebook and Amazon should run hospitals?

They are supposed to be prepared. Lots of people need to answer for these deficits.

 

[PeoplesElbow]

They are supposed to be prepared. Lots of people need to answer for these deficits.

Every podunk Mayberry PD managed to get armored vehicles, automatic weapons and tacticool gear,