Solomons Bridge Jumper

[cricketmd]

In all honesty I would have been angry as hell. Not for the traffic, or the other inconveniences, but for the sheer fact that they would not get help. I've known people that have had suicidal thoughts and have almost gone all the way with it, but they got help and it never came to the point that I would have to grieve due to a suicide.

Well, then I'd think you'd have extra compassion for someone that felt so helpless and hopeless to even bother to get help? :shrug: They were so far down. :shrug: I'd think you of all people would have even more compassion for someone in this predicament. They probably felt more helpless and hopeless to even seek help.

You are blessed that your "known people" got help. Not everyone is blessed to have the "hope" involved and love for one self to not attempt it and seek help. This person was not as blessed as your "known people". :shrug: Just saying... I'd think you'd be even more understanding and caring and certainly NOT comparing them to mass murderers, etc... :shrug: Just saying.

 

[RidgeChick]

So this guy completely devastates his family, traumatizes some people that actually saw him jump and inconvenienced some drivers. People feel bad for him because he was probably not in his right mind and had issues.

Say this same guy goes into a school and shoots a bunch of kids and then offs himself. Still feel bad for him? I for one am glad that he didn't take any innocent people with him.

:shrug:

 

[Bay_Kat]

:shrug:

Sorry if it sounded harsh, but no one could have stopped the guy short of anyone that actually knew him and saw any signs at a very early stage.

 

[vraiblonde]

I'd think you'd be even more understanding and caring and certainly NOT comparing them to mass murderers, etc... :shrug: Just saying.

I didn't see her comparing this guy to a mass murderer. I saw her making an observation as to the outpouring of grief over a suicide, from people who have no idea who this guy was or what his life was like. You're all responding to the act itself, not the person involved, because you don't know him or anything about him.

As she said, she was contrasting the two, not comparing them.

That said, everyone's life is their own responsibility to make of what they will. People overcome adversity every single day and live healthy productive lives. It's pretty difficult to read a story about someone who was raped and beaten, turned into a paraplegic, and went on to become a doctor or win an Olympic gold medal or run a successful business, then think whatever piddly thing going on with you is so earth shattering that you must end it all.

I am inspired by the courage of others. It would be nice if everyone else was, too. Cowardice and self-pity leave me cold.

 

[Inkd]

I think it takes a lot of balls to commit suicide in a way that is nearly sure to succeed. That's a kind of commitment that amazes and shocks me, boggles my mind.

I mean, it's not like the jumper gets to hide in the back of their own funeral and say "Ha, I knew it! You DO care!" They are really gone. Removed from the equation. Forever. With no more opportunity to ever right any wrongs or turn things around. It's so final. All hope is gone.

My brother is a cop and used to live at the end of a non-paved county road. It was a dumping spot for christmas trees and trees the county had cut down. You could drive a little ways down a path and it wasn't unusual to have a parked car there at night with some kids practicing some horizontal hand to hand combat.

So he gets off work one night and there is a car parked there. He needs to walk to dog and doesn't want the dog to run up to the car so he lights it up with his spotlight. Instead of a couple heads popping up from the back seat, he sees a body swinging from a branch.

Turns out a guy tied a rope to his bumper, threw it over a branch, noosed himself, cut both wrists and jumped.

My brothers only comment was that he certainly was thorough.

 

[Bay_Kat]

My brother is a cop and used to live at the end of a non-paved county road. It was a dumping spot for christmas trees and trees the county had cut down. You could drive a little ways down a path and it wasn't unusual to have a parked car there at night with some kids practicing some horizontal hand to hand combat.

So he gets off work one night and there is a car parked there. He needs to walk to dog and doesn't want the dog to run up to the car so he lights it up with his spotlight. Instead of a couple heads popping up from the back seat, he sees a body swinging from a branch.

Turns out a guy tied a rope to his bumper, threw it over a branch, noosed himself, cut both wrists and jumped.

My brothers only comment was that he certainly was thorough.

There are some that attempt it and don't succeed and that's considered a cry for help, but then there are those who do it and are as your brother would say "thorough" and get it done, those are the ones that absolutely want to do it and no one is going to stop them.

 

[cricketmd]

I didn't see her comparing this guy to a mass murderer.


I am inspired by the courage of others. It would be nice if everyone else was, too. Cowardice and self-pity leave me cold.

1) this was her post: "Honest question here, Adam Lanza went into a school and killed all of those kids and teachers after killing his own mother and then killed himself. Should we feel bad for him?" Well, yes... this is her comparing this guy to a mass murderer.

2) Cowardice and selfpity has nothing to do with a brain's chemical imbalance and depression. It's a real medical condition, imo.

The poor guy tried to end his life today, and people feel more mad at him for the traffic delays.. wtf is wrong with people these days .

 

[mamatutu]

Brrrrrr!!!! It is cold in here, and it was really warm outside, today!

 

[TTTGAS]

Brrrrrr!!!! It is cold in here, and it was really warm outside, today!

The act of suicide is both sad and also is selfish. It's sad that someone is in such pain and it's sad that their selfish act will now leave all who care and love them in such terrible pain.

 

[mamatutu]

The act of suicide is both sad and also is selfish. It's sad that someone is in such pain and it's sad that their selfish act will now leave all who care and love them in such terrible pain.

With all due respect, I do not agree with you. Why is it a selfish act to take one's own life?; it is my/your life. Yes, the people left behind are sad, and bewildered, and in some ways feel guilty for whatever happened, being aware, or not. Bottom line is, a life is one's own; to do as I/you decide. No matter how death takes a loved one, it will always cause some degree of pain because we loved them. But, to say suicide is selfish is wrong. I know it is a sin, but the sinner will be the one to deal with it, and make peace with their God. We will all die in the end. I would like to know if BG's info from FB had any merit. It would be amazing if the 'jumper' was still alive. Hope springs eternal.

 

[mamatutu]

Obviously you failed to see his pain and neglected to reach out out him to get help. So much for being a "close" friend! And look how much control he STILL has over you now for you to state you hate him and call him a selfish bastard.
Pretty smart guy to hook you in for the rest of YOUR life!!!
Such a wonderful momma you must be...NOT!!!

I really have a problem with you commenting on this thread at all; Mr. Fabricate. As in, the false thread about a vehicle going over the same bridge into the water; that wasn't true. Yes, I will keep beating the dead horse that you are. : Karma really is a bitch!

 

[TTTGAS]

With all due respect, I do not agree with you. Why is it a selfish act to take one's own life?; it is my/your life. Yes, the people left behind are sad, and bewildered, and in some ways feel guilty for whatever happened, being aware, or not. Bottom line is, a life is one's own; to do as I/you decide. No matter how death takes a loved one, it will always cause some degree of pain because we loved them. But, to say suicide is selfish is wrong. I know it is a sin, but the sinner will be the one to deal with it, and make peace with their God. We will all die in the end. I would like to know if BG's info from FB had any merit. It would be amazing if the 'jumper' was still alive. Hope springs eternal.

It's fine to not agree and I still feel it is selfish, not that it is their intention but nonetheless it is a result. It is your life or my life but what we choose to do in our life can have a terrible impact on all who care about you. Bewildered is an understatement, more like devastated.

 

[mamatutu]

It's fine to not agree and I still feel it is selfish, not that it is their intention but nonetheless it is a result. It is your life or my life but what we choose to do in our life can have a terrible impact on all who care about you. Bewildered is an understatement, more like devastated.

How can it be selfish? If you don't want to live, you don't want to live; period. Personal choice. I do have to tell you that my future son-in-law's parents had two sons. Now, they have one because of suicide, and sil is now only child. I can't say I have walked in the shoes of a family that has lost someone to suicide, but I am learning from my future in-laws that it always affects your life. I get that. I am just saying that our life is our own to play out as we want. Good first posts!

 

[dawn]

Listening to the scanner, they haven't said anything about finding, the search seems to have gone into recovery. Would be a miracle if they do find him alive and if so, I really hope he gets the help he needs.

Southern Maryland News Net (I think) said there was a body floating and going towards shore which gave the impression he may have been alive.

In all honesty I would have been angry as hell. Not for the traffic, or the other inconveniences, but for the sheer fact that they would not get help. I've known people that have had suicidal thoughts and have almost gone all the way with it, but they got help and it never came to the point that I would have to grieve due to a suicide.

The people you know are lucky. I was not one that was lucky enough to NOT grieve. Some people get help and still commit suicide. I know a person that got help and went to the same doctor for over 5 years. Was committed to the hospital on several occasions, got several different medicines throughout the five years, the doctor over and under prescribed, even after my friend said they had suicidal thoughts. My friend went to the doctor was yet prescribe another medicine and my friend died at their own hand five days later. So my friend tried to get help, trusted the doctor to help and the doctor failed.

1) The poor guy tried to end his life today, and people feel more mad at him for the traffic delays.. wtf is wrong with people these days .

I would rather sit in traffic for an hour and be in a hurry to go nowhere than to have the burden that is placed on someone that feels like their world is worth dying over.

Sadly, I have known 4 people that have committed suicide and all in the last five or less years, with two in the past 7 months! One took a gun to their head, one walked in front of a tractor trailer, one hung themselves and one took a deadly mixture of pills. All four died for reasons they thought were important in their life. Nobody is perfect, yet so many people come on here and are so quick to judge. I dont think any of the four people I mentioned thought for a brief moment, gee what will this do to traffic, what will this do to the person that has to remove the rope, what will this do to the person that has to clean my mess. What I think they thought was they were a burden to their love ones and they would be better off without them. People that get to that point, some are lucky enough to find out that whatever the problem it can be fixed. Some are not so lucky.

 

[Rt235]

I really have a problem with you commenting on this thread at all; Mr. Fabricate. As in, the false thread about a vehicle going over the same bridge into the water; that wasn't true. Yes, I will keep beating the dead horse that you are. : Karma really is a bitch!

It is a shame that you have decided to be the Chief Judge and Jury here.
I paid for my thoughtless, and reckless statement made after a few beers and shooing the sh1t with my buddies.
I have been reprimanded for this and made amends.

But if you feel to keep beating me it, go right ahead, because the only person you are hurting is yourself.

If I have that much control and influence over you when this is past history, you are a sad woman!

Thank you for renting out all your brain space to me for free!!!

FYI: It IS YOUR problem, not mine!

I for one, am not bothered by you in the least. For the record, I feel sorry for you to have so much spite and hate in your soul, and we will continue to pray for you to find peace.

 

[perfectorec]

I wouldn't get too worked up over the thoughtless and heartless posts of a few who consider traffic being backed up a greater tragedy then the loss of life itself. Remember this is the internet, a safe haven for folks to hide under the cloak of anonymity and spew all the garbage they want with zero accountability.

My guess is they won't be saying the same heartless lines to their co-workers face-to-face at the water cooler tomorrow morning for fear of looking like a despicable human being.

 

[mamatutu]

It is a shame that you have decided to be the Chief Judge and Jury here.
I paid for my thoughtless, and reckless statement made after a few beers and shooing the sh1t with my buddies.
I have been reprimanded for this and made amends.

But if you feel to keep beating me it, go right ahead, because the only person you are hurting is yourself.

If I have that much control and influence over you when this is past history, you are a sad woman!

Thank you for renting out all your brain space to me for free!!!

FYI: It IS YOUR problem, not mine!

I for one, am not bothered by you in the least. For the record, I feel sorry for you to have so much spite and hate in your soul, and we will continue to pray for you to find peace.

It wasn't just that thread that you paid your dues for. You are one of the self righteous, holier than thou members on here, and you attacked me early on, for no reason. You are, also, a member of the 'share PMs in public club'. I don't think you are a nice person, and, yes, I will continue to dog you, beat your dead horse, etc. Don't feel sorry for me; I've got your number, so to speak. Oh, and stuff your "pray for you to find peace" crap. I am fine. You are a hypocrite; plain and simple. I never think about you until you post. Any questions?

I will put it this way. I respect baja and vrai more than you. They do not like me, either, but they, at least, are true to their convictions. Hope that helps. Sorry, to be part of taking this thread off topic; considering the very serious nature of the situation. Apologies to all.

 

[TTTGAS]

How can it be selfish? If you don't want to live, you don't want to live; period. Personal choice. I do have to tell you that my future son-in-law's parents had two sons. Now, they have one because of suicide, and sil is now only child. I can't say I havure walked in the shoes of a family that has lost someone to suicide, but I am learning from my future in-laws that it always affects your life. I get that. I am just saying that our life is our own to play out as we want. Good first posts!

I could not imagine anyone's life to ever be the same and if we all just do what we want at a desparate time without reguard to the impact of your actions then it's selfish. Who knows, maybe if they thought about family at the time of their decision, they would not have jumped. No one knows what drove this person to that point, it's a shame, but I feel for those left to deal with it.

 

[Rt235]

Having spent 2 years working in a community crisis center, which was also the Suicide Hotline, I had extensive training to answer that phone.

Suicide is a very complicated situation of which there are so many layers and factors that play into the total dark despair of an individual who has lost all hope. They are hanging on by one thread...and that is that person answering the phone, and our job was to help them find more threads to hang onto to.
For one caller, it was his dog that I heard barking in the background. Long story, but he did not kill himself, he got help!


There were times I had to keep the person talking while the police responded, and waiting for the cop to say, "OK, We are here. All is all right", or to hear the sound of a gun going off and not knowing if the suicide was completed or not.
There is a high burnout/turnover rate in that job!

There is a lot of help out there and as earlier posted, not all that help works. The disease of depression is just now being understood in relation to how neurotransmitters, hormones, drugs, etc impact mood, behavior, depression and which therapeutic drugs work and don't work.

Someone died today, it was their choice. Granted it messed up traffic and a few people got pissed off because of it. But someone lost a family member, a friend, an office worker, and that is sad. Every human life is precious and has value.

I would hope that when the facts become clear, people here will be a bit kinder in their closing opinions of the event.

Unless there was a note, and even if there was, none of us will really know the truth behind this death.
If you have a friend who is down and talks of suicide, and after a while of being "down" they are all up and focused, be warned, that once a decision is made, the weight of the pain is lessened and that person has a plan which will give them release from their situation.

We used an assessment tool called "S A L" How soon? How available? How lethal? there was a number scale that was used. The higher the number, the soon the suicide.

Let this be a lesson to all of us to keep better tabs on our friends and ask the hard and often uncomfortable question: " Are you planning to kill yourself?"

Get them the help they need, they may live and thank you for it.

Peace.

If you or someone you know is contemplating suicide support is available at www.suicidehotline.com/Maryland, or by calling (800) 784-2433

 

[Rt235]

It wasn't just that thread that you paid your dues for. You are one of the self righteous, holier than thou members on here. And, you are, also, a member of the 'share PMs in public club'. I don't think you are a nice person, and, yes, I will continue to dog you, beat your dead horse, etc. Don't feel sorry for me; I've got your number, so to speak. Oh, and stuff your "pray for you to find peace" crap. You are a hypocrite; plain and simple. I never think about you until you post. Any questions?

No, I choose to Not waste my time with you anymore.