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Inkpen

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This dude...a US Senator, there to be an example to the rest of us... got rid of his lab.
And what is a $30.00 fine to him???
Hope some big bad dog bits him in the arse ......and then some.....
Poor dog......


CHATHAM, Va. -- State Senator Robert Hurt was fined for failing to vaccinate his dog for rabies after his Labrador retriever bit a man.

Retired General District Court Judge Stephen Helvin imposed the $30 fine, half the normal $60 penalty. Halifax County Commonwealth's Attorney Kimberley White asked for the reduced fine because Hurt had the dog vaccinated before his court date Thursday.

Hurt did not appear in court. He pleaded no contest to the charge through his attorney Luis Abreu.

Hurt's dog bit the man on the leg in December. Abreu told the judge Hurt agreed to pay the man's medical expenses for the series of rabies shots he had to take as a precaution.

Hurt represents Danville and Pittsylvania County. He told The Register & Bee of Danville (local newspsper...) that he has given the dog away
 

krazd_kat

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This dude...a US Senator, there to be an example to the rest of us... got rid of his lab.
And what is a $30.00 fine to him???
Hope some big bad dog bits him in the arse ......and then some.....
Poor dog......

that's pretty disgusting all the way around (story - not your comment, I agree with you.....)
 

tommyjones

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that's pretty disgusting all the way around (story - not your comment, I agree with you.....)

i dont see what is so disgusting. granted he should have had his dogs shots up to date, but he probably got rid of it BECAUSE IT BITES PEOPLE.

seems like quite a reasonable thing to do if you have a dog that bites people.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
i dont see what is so disgusting. granted he should have had his dogs shots up to date, but he probably got rid of it BECAUSE IT BITES PEOPLE.

seems like quite a reasonable thing to do if you have a dog that bites people.

I have to agree. He paid the medical expenses for the guy who was bitten. He got the dog vaccinated, although it was late. He was charged and fined just like any other person. Then he got rid of the dog since he obviously couldn't care for it adequately.

I guess he was supposed to shoot it? Or send it to the shelter to be killed? Or abandon it on the side of the road?
 

krazd_kat

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I have to agree. He paid the medical expenses for the guy who was bitten. He got the dog vaccinated, although it was late. He was charged and fined just like any other person. Then he got rid of the dog since he obviously couldn't care for it adequately.

I guess he was supposed to shoot it? Or send it to the shelter to be killed? Or abandon it on the side of the road?

If the dog is agressive and YOU can't deal with the problems, then YOU should have your pet HUMANELY PTS, with YOU holding it at the vets office, NOT dropping it at the shelter and have them do it, or (your other wise suggestions "I guess he was supposed to shoot it? Or send it to the shelter to be killed? Or abandon it on the side of the road?"). It's called responsibility, that's all most anyone involved in rescue or the care of animals ever asks for from anyone, is that YOU take the responsibility to train and care for your dog/cat/animal the right way, and IF YOU screw that animal up then you do the RESPONSIBLE thing.

Not too mention, he doesn't say what he did with it. Did he fully disclose to someone the dogs issues? Or did he just pass a dog with issues on to the next person, in which case the dog may bite again, but next time it could be worse.

And, oh by the way, if the dog was a Pit bull would any of your responses called the owner reasonable? I doubt that.
 

tommyjones

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If the dog is agressive and YOU can't deal with the problems, then YOU should have your pet HUMANELY PTS, with YOU holding it at the vets office, NOT dropping it at the shelter and have them do it, or (your other wise suggestions "I guess he was supposed to shoot it? Or send it to the shelter to be killed? Or abandon it on the side of the road?"). It's called responsibility, that's all most anyone involved in rescue or the care of animals ever asks for from anyone, is that YOU take the responsibility to train and care for your dog/cat/animal the right way, and IF YOU screw that animal up then you do the RESPONSIBLE thing.

Not too mention, he doesn't say what he did with it. Did he fully disclose to someone the dogs issues? Or did he just pass a dog with issues on to the next person, in which case the dog may bite again, but next time it could be worse.

And, oh by the way, if the dog was a Pit bull would any of your responses called the owner reasonable? I doubt that.

you are again reading way more into the story than was written.
From what we know from the story he had a dog that wasn't vacinated, it bit someone, he paid for their medical care and got the dog vacinated, and then gave it away.

anything further you are maing up, there was nothing disgusting in the story.


if you want to maek things up to add to the story....
maybe the dog was phsyco and attacked randomly
maybe he was well trained but still tripped
maybe "gave the dog away" was his was off saying "got it put down"
maybe he took it to a nice farm to live where it could run all day
maybe he too it to Ceaser and it is living with his pack now



like i said, i dont see anything to indicate that this dog wasn't trained, or that he didn't do the responsible thing when he got rid of it.
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
If the dog is agressive and YOU can't deal with the problems, then YOU should have your pet HUMANELY PTS.

You're saying it's better to kill the dog than to find it a better home? How is that responsible? That sounds like taking the easy way out.
 

SoftballCrazy

New Member
You're saying it's better to kill the dog than to find it a better home? How is that responsible? That sounds like taking the easy way out.
I don't think the article said why the dog bit - any underlying circumstances that could've surrounded it - or if the dog just has a biting/mental type problem. I'm not sure how responsible it is to rehome a dog that has bitten - and how they found someone to take him knowing that he bit.
Below is from the PBRC website...

Behavior problems...
If you got your dog as a puppy and he now has a behavior problem you can't live with, you must accept the fact that you are at least partly responsible for the way your dog is now.
You have 4 options:
1. You can continue to live with your dog the way he is.
2. You can get help to correct the problem.
3. You can try to give your problem to someone else.
4. You can have the dog euthanized.
Obviously the first option is out or you wouldn't be reading this page. You're probably most interested in Option 3 so let's talk frankly about that for a moment.
If you were looking for a dog and could select from all kinds of dogs and puppies, would you deliberately choose one with a behavior problem? No, certainly not - and neither would anyone else. To make your dog desirable to other people, you're going to have to take some action to fix his problems.
Most behavior problems aren't that hard to solve. We can help you with them if you'll give it a try. PBRC can assist you via email in helping your dog become a good canine citizen and an “easier to live with” family member. Don't hesitate to write us a note, and one of our volunteer will be happy to give you some tips and leads in order to help you resolve the problems you may have with your dog.
Think hard about Option 2 before deciding it won't work for you - because the only option you have left is number 4: Having the dog euthanized. That's the bottom line. If you, who know and love the dog best, won't give him another chance, why should anyone else? Think about that.
IF YOUR DOG HAS EVER BITTEN ANYONE...
If your dog is aggressive with people or has ever bitten anyone, you can't, in good conscience, give him to anyone else. Could you live with yourself if that dog hurt another person, especially a child? Can you deal with the lawsuit that could result from it? You stand to lose your home and everything else you own. Lawsuits from dog bites are settling for millions of dollars in damages.
Our society today has zero tolerance for a dog with a bite history, no matter how minor. A dog that has bitten - whether or not it was his fault - is considered by law to be a dangerous dog. In some states, it's illegal to sell or give away a biting dog. No insurance company will cover a family with a biting dog. And to be perfectly honest, no responsible person in his right mind would want to adopt a biting dog.
No matter how much you love your dog, if he has ever bitten anyone, you only have two responsible choices - take him to a professional trainer or behaviorist for evaluation and maybe the dog can be rehabilitated. This could be costly and time consuming but could be very rewarding. If this is not an option for you, take him to your veterinarian and have him humanely euthanized. Don't leave him at a shelter where he might be frightened and confused and put other people at risk. Don't try to place him as a "guard dog" where he might be neglected, abused or used for dog fighting.
As hard as it is to face, putting a potentially dangerous biting dog to sleep is often the only safe and responsible thing to do.
 

tommyjones

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I don't think the article said why the dog bit - any underlying circumstances that could've surrounded it - or if the dog just has a biting/mental type problem. I'm not sure how responsible it is to rehome a dog that has bitten - and how they found someone to take him knowing that he bit.
As hard as it is to face, putting a potentially dangerous biting dog to sleep is often the only safe and responsible thing to do.

and if he would have gotten it put down you and the others would still be atacking him for creating this problem dog.


from what the article says you cannot come to any conclusion as to why the dog bit, or as to the home it was placed in. as i said, for all we know "got rid it" means "put it down"
 

SoftballCrazy

New Member
and if he would have gotten it put down you and the others would still be atacking him for creating this problem dog.


from what the article says you cannot come to any conclusion as to why the dog bit, or as to the home it was placed in. as i said, for all we know "got rid it" means "put it down"
:rolleyes:
We have no clue about the prior circumstances of the dog - what did or didn't happen - if he trained it - if it was tied up 24/7 - no idea. The most responsible thing to do if the dog bit someone, is to take every precaution prior to rehoming it and letting any potential new owner know about the bite history. If he decided to end the dog's life, the dog couldn't be rehabiliated/etc, then by all means hold the dog's head while its getting that last injection and show it some love - instead of dumping it at the shelter where it sits for days or wks alone and scared, wondering what happened to its family, when it finally gets tossed in the gas chamber to die a horrible way.
 

Toxick

Splat
This dude...a US Senator, there to be an example to the rest of us... got rid of his lab.
And what is a $30.00 fine to him???
Hope some big bad dog bits him in the arse ......and then some.....
Poor dog......




Was he a republican or a democrat?
 

SoftballCrazy

New Member
Quoted for emphasis.

Care to elaborate on how what he did was "disgusting?"

I don't believe I said what he did was disgusting. I said he'd need to be extra cautious rehoming a dog that has a bite history..some states have laws against it...etc...
 

krazd_kat

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I don't believe I said what he did was disgusting. I said he'd need to be extra cautious rehoming a dog that has a bite history..some states have laws against it...etc...

I said it was disgusting, "giving away a biting dog".

Just MHO of course, but I hold elected officials, movie stars, athletes, etc.. to a higher standard due to the exposure their lives get.

He should have had current shots, and he should have had control of his dog so it didn't bite and of course we don't know the whole story, so HOPEFULLY he got rid of this dog with full disclosure to whomever he gave it to.

And for the record, I do think it's more humane to have YOUR dog PTS in your loving embrace than pushing an issue dog onto someone else. UNLESS the person that took this dog has the resources to retrain this dog and guarantee it will never have the opportunity to bite again.

But like everyone has said we don't know the whole story or what his comments really mean so we are :deadhorse.

But I still think it's "digusting" when public personalities do not remember they are in the public and act irresponsible.
 

tommyjones

New Member
I said it was disgusting, "giving away a biting dog".

Just MHO of course, but I hold elected officials, movie stars, athletes, etc.. to a higher standard due to the exposure their lives get.

He should have had current shots, and he should have had control of his dog so it didn't bite and of course we don't know the whole story, so HOPEFULLY he got rid of this dog with full disclosure to whomever he gave it to.

And for the record, I do think it's more humane to have YOUR dog PTS in your loving embrace than pushing an issue dog onto someone else. UNLESS the person that took this dog has the resources to retrain this dog and guarantee it will never have the opportunity to bite again.

But like everyone has said we don't know the whole story or what his comments really mean so we are :deadhorse.

But I still think it's "digusting" when public personalities do not remember they are in the public and act irresponsible.


you go on and on about how we dont know anything about this case, but then you insist on calling his actions irresponsible....

you dont know if the dog had ever beeen vacinated or if it was one or two days out. you dont know what happened to the dog, or how it was rehomed, (the senater might not have wanted to hear the backlash from people like YOU who would have been just as outraged had he said he put the dog down).
You dont know the circumstances of the bite, or the dog, maybe it was a rescue that was effed when he got it...


and finally, man up and say, its more humane to Put the dog To Sleep, and stop not saying it by saying "PTS while you hold its head". You are killing the dog either way. and dead is dead, unless you are some folks around here, then dead is near death, but i digress.....
 

krazd_kat

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and finally, man up and say, its more humane to Put the dog To Sleep, and stop not saying it by saying "PTS while you hold its head". You are killing the dog either way. and dead is dead, unless you are some folks around here, then dead is near death, but i digress.....

:deadhorse

I already agreed we don't know the whole story.

And PTS is no different than saying put to sleep - both are the same thing, we could just be honest and say I took my dog to the vet to be killed... it's not going to "sleep" you are stopping a beating heart. Some things just need to be said a little more diplomatic.
 

tommyjones

New Member
:deadhorse

I already agreed we don't know the whole story.

And PTS is no different than saying put to sleep - both are the same thing, we could just be honest and say I took my dog to the vet to be killed... it's not going to "sleep" you are stopping a beating heart. Some things just need to be said a little more diplomatic.

why, so you don't "feel" bad.

what a crock.

you were specifically not saying "kill the dog" to come off as compasionate, meanwhile, you were advocating something you villify others for doing.
 

krazd_kat

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why, so you don't "feel" bad.
what a crock.

you were specifically not saying "kill the dog" to come off as compasionate, meanwhile, you were advocating something you villify others for doing.

This reply has NOTHING to do with the original post but I am responding anyway...

PTS or Put to Sleep, Has NOTHING to do w/making ME FEEL BAD - it's the general public - I gladly tell people that they are getting their pet KILLED - it should be referred to as PTD or so there is no misunderstand PUT TO DEATH

If you knew anything about me and my beliefs you would see that I have NEVER villified anyone for doing the RIGHT and RESPONSIBLE thing.

But the right and responsible thing does not include:

1 - giving away an issue dog w/o full disclosure
2 - taking your pet to the shelter and dropping it off for them to KILL
3 - abandoning your pet or SHOOTING it in the head

If you honestly care enough to know more about my beliefs and what my group stands for feel free to read our mission statement on our website .

I've argued with you before and I'm not changing my beliefs and neither are you, we BOTH agree that we don't know the whole story behind this article.
 

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
If the dog is agressive and YOU can't deal with the problems, then YOU should have your pet HUMANELY PTS, with YOU holding it at the vets office, NOT dropping it at the shelter and have them do it, or (your other wise suggestions "I guess he was supposed to shoot it? Or send it to the shelter to be killed? Or abandon it on the side of the road?"). It's called responsibility, that's all most anyone involved in rescue or the care of animals ever asks for from anyone, is that YOU take the responsibility to train and care for your dog/cat/animal the right way, and IF YOU screw that animal up then you do the RESPONSIBLE thing.

Not too mention, he doesn't say what he did with it. Did he fully disclose to someone the dogs issues? Or did he just pass a dog with issues on to the next person, in which case the dog may bite again, but next time it could be worse.

And, oh by the way, if the dog was a Pit bull would any of your responses called the owner reasonable? I doubt that.

Screw that! When it comes time to put my dog down when he's old, that's the last thing I'm going to do is hold him while I pay a man to kill him. Why on god's green earth would I want the last memory of my best friend to be him dying. I'll take him to the vet and play with him for a few minutes and then leave, so THAT is the last memory I have of him.
 

tommyjones

New Member
This reply has NOTHING to do with the original post but I am responding anyway...

PTS or Put to Sleep, Has NOTHING to do w/making ME FEEL BAD - it's the general public - I gladly tell people that they are getting their pet KILLED - it should be referred to as PTD or so there is no misunderstand PUT TO DEATH

If you knew anything about me and my beliefs you would see that I have NEVER villified anyone for doing the RIGHT and RESPONSIBLE thing.

But the right and responsible thing does not include:

1 - giving away an issue dog w/o full disclosure
2 - taking your pet to the shelter and dropping it off for them to KILL
3 - abandoning your pet or SHOOTING it in the head


If you honestly care enough to know more about my beliefs and what my group stands for feel free to read our mission statement on our website .

I've argued with you before and I'm not changing my beliefs and neither are you, we BOTH agree that we don't know the whole story behind this article.


and there is the problem, you think that you can decide what is right and responsible for all, and you cant.

for instance, there is nothing wrong with shooting your dog in the head to put it down, the dog feels no more pain that if you get it put to sleep. Its just hard for you to think about. get over it. killing the dog is killing the dog.


i dont see anything wrong with dropping a probelm dog off at the shelter to have them kill it either. its dead in the end either way.

giving dogs away without full disclosure happens all the time, many times it is the rescue group that doesn't fully disclose the problems. My GF "bought" a dog from a rescue group. they said he was completely a great dog other than a little barking. turns out, he bites people intermitently, usually men. it happens enough that it had to be known to the 'rescue' group, but they didn't tell so that he stood a chance of being rescued.
Dogs that bite, even cute little ones, dont get adopted.

we might never agree, but i'm not telling people what they should do with their dogs or how to live their lives.
to each his or her own.
 
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