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dazed&fallen

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You may wonder why I’m saying these things. It’s really not to be an ass. If I come off that way, again I apologize. A lot of religious type people will try to tell you “you can have this peace in your life too if you do everything I say” That’s fine I guess, if you are a follower. I won’t deny that it’s possible to find peace by simply doing everything someone else says. That way you don’t have to experience the discomfort of thinking for yourself. But that way isn’t for everyone. Personally I identify more strongly with Shiva than Christ. The reason is simple, Shiva encourages spiritual doubt, Christ as he is taught to us, does not. Not saying either way is inherently better, it has more to do with the individual. I feel that religion is wholly subjective. This said, Shiva is still not my ultimate truth. Shiva is a useful image to me, a Jungian archetype if you will. God is all inclusive and can’t be tied down to a particular image. He can be everything and nothing simultaneously. It sounds like a contradiction but then, life is full of contradiction.
 
2ndAmendment

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
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Bustem' Down said:
Mythology...like everything else.
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The Bible is not mythology. It is at the very least the history of the Jews and the account of the life of Jesus and Paul and some of the other disciples. I know the Bible to be the word of God. You choose your own way.
 
Bustem' Down

Bustem' Down

Give Peas a Chance
2ndAmendment said:
The Bible is not mythology. It is at the very least the history of the Jews and the account of the life of Jesus and Paul and some of the other disciples. I know the Bible to be the word of God. You choose your own way.
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I'm just yakin' your chain a bit 2A.
 
Railroad

Railroad

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vraiblonde

vraiblonde

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Homesick said:
Sorry, you did mean that to be funny...

Terrorist and Hillary too?
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No. What I meant was as long as someone's beliefs don't hurt you or even affect you, don't worry about it. Hillary and terrorists have the potential to cause me harm. As far as Shiva goes, I don't know who/what that is, nor do I care.
 
Jambalaya

Jambalaya

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2ndAmendment said:
I know the Bible to be the word of God. You choose your own way.
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The way I see it the Bible is mans interprtation of the word of God. It has been translated and re-copied so many times its hard to know what the original word was. I believe God enlightened a few individuals as to his ways, but even the enlighted soul writes only what he knows. :angel: :whistle:
 
hvp05

hvp05

Methodically disorganized
Railroad said:
Why would that pizz anybody off, except a shiva worshipper?
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I am not a Shiva worshipper and I found the post irritating. This is so because it is intentional misrepresentation and misleading. I'd like to know if 2A read beyond the first seven words of the paragraph. Just to recap, here is the entire opening paragraph:
Shiva is the destroyer of the world, following Brahma the creator and Vishnu the preserver, after which Brahma again creates the world and so on. Shiva is responsible for change both in the form of death and destruction and in the positive sense of the shedding of old habits. In Satyam, Shivam, Sundaram or Truth, Goodness and Beauty, Shiva also represents the most essential goodness.
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2A and his kind do not bother to read, nonetheless acknowledge, the parts about "beauty" and "goodness". Nor is their acknowledgement that to "destroy" something may actually be a positive, advancing force; an action necessary to clear away the old to make way for the new.

It's 2A's prerogative to believe what he wants; I don't care... unless/until I hear about him -- or someone with a similar philosophy -- spreading this form of logic to children. I feel bad for the kid that is inquisitive about the world and yearning for knowledge, who goes to an adult for answers, only to be atrociously misguided. Imagine the kid comes home and says, "There's a kid named Ranji at school who told me about another God named Shiva. Who is that?" Dad says, "Shiva is the destroyer of the world, and that's all you need to know." After enough indoctrination of junk like that it would be no surprise if the kid grows up to be closed-minded and disrespectful of others views.

What's worse, is dad will find fancy answers to explain how the God of Judeo-Christianity (esp. Old Test.) could get away with inflicting pain on humans and "destroying the world". "Well, now that's justified, son..."
 
2ndAmendment

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
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Jambalaya said:
The way I see it the Bible is mans interprtation of the word of God. It has been translated and re-copied so many times its hard to know what the original word was. I believe God enlightened a few individuals as to his ways, but even the enlighted soul writes only what he knows. :angel: :whistle:
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You obviously have not researched the authenticity of the the Bible. Do a search even in this forum and you will find that the authenticity of the Bible has been discussed to great extent.

But consider this, the apostles of Jesus gave their lives in support of their testimony that Jesus rose from the dead and ascended into heaven. They could have preserved their lives if they had just recanted their testimony, but they did not. Would someone give up their life for something they new was a lie? I wouldn't. I don't think you would. I don't think they did. So I am left with the conclusion that the resurrection of Jesus, independent of the Bible text, is true. If it is true, then Jesus is who he said He is, God come as man, the Son of Man, The Word, the Messiah, the Savior.

There are more early manuscripts of the Old and New Testaments than the Iliad, Caesar's Gallic War, Plato, and the like. Read this for reference. http://www.myfortress.org/manuscriptevidence.html Here is an excerpt:
In the many thousands of manuscript copies we possess of the New Testament, scholars have discovered that there are some 150,000 "variants."

This may seem like a staggering figure to the uninformed mind. But to those who study the issue, the numbers are not so damning as it may initially appear. Indeed, a look at the hard evidence shows that the New Testament manuscripts are amazingly accurate and trustworthy.

To begin, we must emphasize that out of these 150,000 variants, 99 percent hold virtually no significance whatsoever.

Many of these variants simply involve a missing letter in a word; some involve reversing the order of two words (such as "Christ Jesus" instead of "Jesus Christ"); some may involve the absence of one or more insignificant words.

Really, when all the facts are put on the table, only about 50 of the variants have any real significance - and even then, no doctrine of the Christian faith or any moral commandment is effected by them.

For more than ninety-nine percent of the cases the original text can be reconstructed to a practical certainty.

Even in the few cases where some perplexity remains, this does not impinge on the meaning of Scripture to the point of clouding a tenet of the faith or a mandate of life.

Thus, in the Bible as we have it (and as it is conveyed to us through faithful translations) we do have for practical purposes the very Word of God, inasmuch as the manuscripts do convey to us the complete vital truth of the originals.
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