St Mary's College NO CHICK FLE

[Larry Gude]

That's an interesting assumption you're making there. I attended, and graduated from, SMCM - all on my own dime. Why shouldn't I have a say? .

Let us examine the statement;

Why do students, who are there on someone else's dime, have a say in ANYTHING?

Now, I do not claim to be an English major and maybe you are but, my intent, and the way I read that is to say that IF you are there and someone elses is paying for it, you should not get a say.

So, if YOU did it on your own dime(s) congratulations. You are more better than a student who is there on daddy's dime and, as such, should have more say. You are a customer.

 

[Larry Gude]

And so what if someone else is paying for their college degrees. Have you looked at the cost of a college education lately? I understand that it might have been possible for past generations to pay their own way through school but those days have come and gone. If you're interested in knowing more about the subject, there's an interesting book that was written in 2005-2006 (can't remember when exactly) called "Generation Debt". Give it a look.

Listen, son, I am 47 and have had three kids go to school. The only one who did worth a damn was the one who we paid for, quarter by quarter, thus I road her ass about what was being spent for her education; she took it seriously. The other two had some scholarship dough as well but, both had loans we paid for, pretty big bucks, and they both had pretty nice 13th grades of ####ing off and NOT taking it very seriously.

Education today is a joke; it is, as you say, WAY too expensive and I say it is because of government; it is far too easy to get $100,000 in loans to get that psychology degree. Get rid of the easy loans and kids will get better educations AND it will cost less. Just like any other product.

 

[Larry Gude]

I'm having a hard time understanding why everyone seems to be so upset about this whole thing. Do you really care what people eat? To be honest, I couldn't care less. They don't want Chick-fil-A on their campus because they disagree with some of the corporation's stances/actions, so be it. I don't see how that's any different than someone who refuses to buy anything not produced in America. JMHO.

It is not their campus. Most of them are stupid kids on mom and dads dime, yes? If you were there, as a paying customer, would you have spent 5 seconds of your time arguing what fast food joint was acceptable to your sensibilities or not? Kids, by and large, go to college to #### off. Especially when they ain't paying for it. It is nothing more than an excuse to get out of class to pretend to be all self righteous about a chicken restaurant. At the very least, an learning mind, a left leaning learning mind would say "Hey, that restaurant is very unusual in the corporate world. If anything, we should welcome them with open arms for being principled enough to not just be another big dollar clone operation. Diversity! Yay! "

 

[glhs837]

Also, Chick-Fil-A was replaced by food offerings from Blue Wind and Bollywood Masala, two local restaurants!

I'm having a hard time understanding why everyone seems to be so upset about this whole thing. Do you really care what people eat? To be honest, I couldn't care less. They don't want Chick-fil-A on their campus because they disagree with some of the corporation's stances/actions, so be it. I don't see how that's any different than someone who refuses to buy anything not produced in America. JMHO.

Bken, how has that affected prices of what you can get there? I have no idea what Bolly offers, not my kind of place, like Thai food, most Indian stuff is too highly spiced for me. I do enjoy Blue Wind on occasion, great food, but there is not a lot in the way of "dollar menu" type stuff.

Glitch, here's the difference. In the real world, not a highly politically correct liberal campus, folks who don't like a certain places policies boycott it, and dont spend money there. And that's fine, you have the freedom to not spend you money anywhere you want. But in liberal land, that's not enough. And freedom doesn't matter, because by this action, those students have taken the right to choose CF for lunch away from other students.

There's an old definition of rights that says your right to wave you fist around ends at the tip of my nose. Make a stand with your dollars, don't interfere with my right to choose where I spend mine. Its bullying, plain and simple, and it's not better because its done for a principle.

 

[UNA]

Wirelessly posted

Why are you worried about what eateries they have at SMCM? Are you a student there?

Why do students, who are there on someone else's dime, have a say in ANYTHING?

I'm SURE you know this but I feel I must point out that most of the students (including myself) I knew at SMCM when I attended (math dept, admittedly very different from te arts depts) were there on their own dime via loans and/or their own jobs.

Just sayin'

 

[glhs837]

Can you speak to the size of the various departments? How big was the math department vs the art department?

 

[dchase]

I have decided to defend St. Mary's.

Why do students, who are there on someone else's dime, have a say in ANYTHING?

You're right. And that 9.1% of the country currently unemployed and not paying taxes shouldn't be able to vote or voice their opinion either. I totally forgot about the part of the first amendment written in invisible ink stipulating that you must be financial invested in something for constitutional protections to kick in.

Also, on their parents dime? Do you want the statistics of the amount of debt the average student graduates with? My debt is below average and I am still going to spend the next 10 years paying it off.

Listen, son, I am 47

Listen, dad, I am 22

Education today is a joke; it is, as you say, WAY too expensive and I say it is because of government; it is far too easy to get $100,000 in loans to get that psychology degree. Get rid of the easy loans and kids will get better educations AND it will cost less. Just like any other product.

That's akin to "get your government hands off my Medicare." The easy loans come from private lenders. Government loans are capped at reasonable amounts, it's simply not possible to end up with $100,000 in government loans. Even an independent grad student can only take out $20,000 a year in government loans and it's about a third of that for a dependent undergrad.

And the cost of education is driven entirely by market forces. The problem is the market is distorted. I have to get a college degree to do what I want to do in life, it's not an option. In fact, I likely need a masters or J.D. That's like if a large chunk of the population had to purchase TVs. What do you think Best Buy would do? They would spare no expense and only sell the nicest TVs in the world at a ridiculous mark up.

It is not their campus. Most of them are stupid kids on mom and dads dime, yes?

Name for me please three "stupid kids" from St. Mary's who you have spoken with in the last month.

Finally, do you see the irony in lambasting students in one post for being on "someone else's dime" and then in another decrying the "easy loans" that leave students with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt? If the latter is true, the former isn't. But what do I know? I am just a lazy, no-good college student with massive debt but also somehow here on my parents dime. Oh wait, I took that philosophy course, it's called flawed logic.

 

[bohman]

It is not their campus. Most of them are stupid kids on mom and dads dime, yes? If you were there, as a paying customer, would you have spent 5 seconds of your time arguing what fast food joint was acceptable to your sensibilities or not? Kids, by and large, go to college to #### off. Especially when they ain't paying for it. It is nothing more than an excuse to get out of class to pretend to be all self righteous about a chicken restaurant. At the very least, an learning mind, a left leaning learning mind would say "Hey, that restaurant is very unusual in the corporate world. If anything, we should welcome them with open arms for being principled enough to not just be another big dollar clone operation. Diversity! Yay! "

Hey Larry, in 1996, that description would have applied to me fairly well. That was my freshman year. By the end of my sophomore year, not so much. I took my classes seriously and got my #### together (mostly anyway, sometimes I feel like I'm still not all the way there ). I had a chance, due to my parents patience/compassion/foolishness, to grow up a bit.

Give these kids/almost adults the same chance and you'll see a lot (not all, of course) do the same. After the freshman years stunts we pulled, I'm amazed at the productive lives some of my classmates turned out to live.

I'm also amazed at the length of this thread about college kids and chick fil a.

 

[UNA]

Wirelessly posted

I have decided to defend St. Mary's.

Why do students, who are there on someone else's dime, have a say in ANYTHING?

You're right. And that 9.1% of the country currently unemployed and not paying taxes shouldn't be able to vote or voice their opinion either. I totally forgot about the part of the first amendment written in invisible ink stipulating that you must be financial invested in something for constitutional protections to kick in.

Also, on their parents dime? Do you want the statistics of the amount of debt the average student graduates with? My debt is below average and I am still going to spend the next 10 years paying it off.

Listen, son, I am 47

Listen, dad, I am 22

Education today is a joke; it is, as you say, WAY too expensive and I say it is because of government; it is far too easy to get $100,000 in loans to get that psychology degree. Get rid of the easy loans and kids will get better educations AND it will cost less. Just like any other product.

That's akin to "get your government hands off my Medicare." The easy loans come from private lenders. Government loans are capped at reasonable amounts, it's simply not possible to end up with $100,000 in government loans. Even an independent grad student can only take out $20,000 a year in government loans and it's about a third of that for a dependent undergrad.

And the cost of education is driven entirely by market forces. The problem is the market is distorted. I have to get a college degree to do what I want to do in life, it's not an option. In fact, I likely need a masters or J.D. That's like if a large chunk of the population had to purchase TVs. What do you think Best Buy would do? They would spare no expense and only sell the nicest TVs in the world at a ridiculous mark up.

It is not their campus. Most of them are stupid kids on mom and dads dime, yes?

Name for me please three "stupid kids" from St. Mary's who you have spoken with in the last month.

Finally, do you see the irony in lambasting students in one post for being on "someone else's dime" and then in another decrying the "easy loans" that leave students with hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of debt? If the latter is true, the former isn't. But what do I know? I am just a lazy, no-good college student with massive debt but also somehow here on my parents dime. Oh wait, I took that philosophy course, it's called flawed logic.

 

[kwillia]

If the parents are financially able to fund the education bills without having to assume debt that is one thing, however parents shouldn't be expected to go in debt to fund an adult child's education.

 

[Merlin99]

You're right. And that 9.1% of the country currently unemployed and not paying taxes shouldn't be able to vote or voice their opinion either. I totally forgot about the part of the first amendment written in invisible ink stipulating that you must be financial invested in something for constitutional protections to kick in.

I tend to agree with this, if you're not paying taxes you really shouldn't have much , if any, say in where the money is spent or in selecting who spends it. This is especially true if you're one of the ones collecting public assistance money.

 

[koan00]

Glitch, here's the difference. In the real world, not a highly politically correct liberal campus, folks who don't like a certain places policies boycott it, and dont spend money there. And that's fine, you have the freedom to not spend you money anywhere you want. But in liberal land, that's not enough. And freedom doesn't matter, because by this action, those students have taken the right to choose CF for lunch away from other students.

So let me get this straight:

- It is wrong/not ok for a group (SGA in this case), to lobby/persuade a private entity in regards to its private business practices.

- It is right/ok to partner with and give money to groups (chik filet -> numerous groups), that lobby a government entity's public law making.

I can't see how the first is somehow an affront to freedom, while the later is not. I anything I'd say the second case is more egregious.

because by this action, those students have taken the right to choose CF for lunch away from other students.

And by the actions of the Chick-Filet related lobbying groups, they are attempting to take away peoples choice to marry. It amazes me people are more up in arms about peoples 'right' to chicken sandwiches than they are peoples 'right' to get married.

 

[vraiblonde]

And by the actions of the Chick-Filet related lobbying groups, they are attempting to take away peoples choice to marry. It amazes me people are more up in arms about peoples 'right' to chicken sandwiches than they are peoples 'right' to get married.

So is it okay to take away rights and choices or not?

 

[thurley42]

So is it okay to take away rights and choices or not?

Only if you don't agree with that particular instance....

 

[dchase]

I tend to agree with this, if you're not paying taxes you really shouldn't have much , if any, say in where the money is spent or in selecting who spends it. This is especially true if you're one of the ones collecting public assistance money.

So inalienable rights, not so much?

 

[glhs837]

Last I checked, SMC was a public school? I amnot sure if the Grind is a private contractor to SMC or a part of it, that does make a difference. And purchasing a product is not the same as partnering. You have a choice to not purchase that product. I should be free to give money to CF in return for that product, were I a student there.

The SGA is allowed to lobby for what they want, no issue with that, I do not agree with the Colleges/Grinds choice that limiting students choices based on the SGA wishes is the right way to go.

And no matter how you feel about CFs choice of groups to support, two wrongs don't make a right. Find another way to protest CFs attempts, oh, say a boycott, hit them in the pocketbook, so its not profitable to do business there anymore.

But, that evidently didn't get enough support, enough college students were buying CF products that it was still making money. What that says to me is the SGA, like bad governments everywhere, has decided that it knows its citizens minds better than they do, and they need to be protected from their own bad choices. Yea, team.

 

[koan00]

Last I checked, SMC was a public school? I amnot sure if the Grind is a private contractor to SMC or a part of it

I thought the initial ariticles appeared to make it look private, but I just looked into it is owed/operated by St. Marys College

So is it okay to take away rights and choices or not?

I would say both are wrong.

And if both are wrong, why the outrage at the SMC students and not Chik-Filet?

 

[bkenjes]

Bken, how has that affected prices of what you can get there? I have no idea what Bolly offers, not my kind of place, like Thai food, most Indian stuff is too highly spiced for me. I do enjoy Blue Wind on occasion, great food, but there is not a lot in the way of "dollar menu" type stuff.

I mean, Chick-Fil-A was always ~3$ for the sandwiches that they sold on campus which isn't exactly dollar menu, but the new offerings are definitely a few dollars more.

Also, it might be worth pointing out that Chick-Fil-A sandwiches were only sold on Thursdays from 10AM-2PM or so. They were not a major institution here.

 

[vraiblonde]

I would say both are wrong.

And if both are wrong, why the outrage at the SMC students and not Chik-Filet?

And I might ask you the same question - why the outrage at CFA and not SMC?

I have no vested interest in whether or not students can easily get a chicken sandwich on campus. Blue Wind has better food anyway. What I do have a vested interest in is activists not being able to dictate to the rest of us what choices we can and cannot make.

What would your reaction be if Bob Jones University (or wherever) pulled Starbucks off campus because they support gay causes? I mean, it's just coffee, right?

 

[bkenjes]

And I might ask you the same question - why the outrage at CFA and not SMC?

I have no vested interest in whether or not students can easily get a chicken sandwich on campus. Blue Wind has better food anyway. What I do have a vested interest in is activists not being able to dictate to the rest of us what choices we can and cannot make.

What would your reaction be if Bob Jones University (or wherever) pulled Starbucks off campus because they support gay causes? I mean, it's just coffee, right?

It's not just coffee, SMC removed Starbucks coffee several years ago and replaced it with a Fair Trade alternative Fair Trade Coffee, Tea, Chocolate, Almonds, Olive Oil and Gifts