State and Federal Gov't funded retirement

Why are governments continuing to make promises of lucrative retirement payouts when it is fiscally impossible to keep up with these promises? Why don't they reduce these unaffordable benefits starting today? Any private business would have done so years ago rather than go $2 Trillion in debt.

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Beta84

They're out to get us
Any private business would have done so years ago rather than go $2 Trillion in debt.
The government doesn't operate like a business. Any business that does things the way the government does would have been in bankruptcy years ago :lol:
 

knittin

somdexpressions
If it weren't for the retirement nobody would work for the goverment or if benefits are reduced, people would leave.
 

Annoying_Boy

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Why are governments continuing to make promises of lucrative retirement payouts when it is fiscally impossible to keep up with these promises? Why don't they reduce these unaffordable benefits starting today? Any private business would have done so years ago rather than go $2 Trillion in debt.

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Call your lawmakers like Steny and tell him you want their pay and medical benefits reduced immediately.

Then go picket in front of PAX River, calling for their pay to be reduced.

Then go do it over in front of the Government offices of Leonardtown.

I double dare you.

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Why are governments continuing to make promises of lucrative retirement payouts when it is fiscally impossible to keep up with these promises? Why don't they reduce these unaffordable benefits starting today? Any private business would have done so years ago rather than go $2 Trillion in debt.

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Because democratic decision making processes (in the context of large societies, though not so much in the context of small groups) generally lead to bad, short-sighted, decision making.
 
A Path Is Sought for States to Escape Their Debt Burdens

Policy makers are working behind the scenes to come up with a way to let states declare bankruptcy and get out from under crushing debts, including the pensions they have promised to retired public workers.

Unlike cities, the states are barred from seeking protection in federal bankruptcy court. Any effort to change that status would have to clear high constitutional hurdles because the states are considered sovereign.

But proponents say some states are so burdened that the only feasible way out may be bankruptcy, giving Illinois, for example, the opportunity to do what General Motors did with the federal government’s aid.
 

BOP

Well-Known Member
In the Weekly Standard article entitled "Give States a Way to Go Bankrupt," that was qouted in the original post, the author, a professor at UPenn writes:
"With liquidation off the table, the effectiveness of state bankruptcy would depend a great deal on the state’s willingness to play hardball with its creditors. The principal candidates for restructuring in states like California or Illinois are the state’s bonds and its contracts with public employees. <snip>

The bankruptcy law should give debtor states even more power to rewrite union contracts, if the court approves. Interestingly, it is easier to renegotiate a burdensome union contract in municipal bankruptcy than in a corporate bankruptcy. Vallejo has used this power in its bankruptcy case, which was filed in 2008. It is possible that a state could even renegotiate existing pension benefits in bankruptcy, although this is much less clear and less likely than the power to renegotiate an ongoing contract."


What these pundits do NOT write about (that a number of posters to similar forums HAVE mentioned) is the law of unintended consequences. It's easy to lump all public sector workers together and rail against the "fact (real or imagined)" that they ALL make obscene amounts of money - not to mention the benefits that most Americans do not.

What they do not seem to realize is that until relatively recently in our nation's history have public sector employees received any kind of wage or benefits beyond mere subsistance. In the "you get what you pay for" department, do we really want public sector employees of the same or similar caliber as TSA employees? I think we're all pretty sure where most of them were in their lives before being offered what, in their case, is tantamount to a kind of workfare.

In other words, it's going to be pretty difficult to hire the brightest and best to serve the public and our nation if you break faith with the current and former public employees, and offer future employees little in the way of compensation. I sure as hell wouldn't put up with what we who work for the government put up with if it weren't for the compensation. Don't get me wrong: it's a good compensation package. It's at least on par with what I'd be making in the private sector for the same kind of work (with 20 times the red tape and the rules and regulations).

We've devolved as a nation in many ways. One of them is a knee-jerk reactionism that never fully maps out the possible consequences of our perhaps well-intentioned rush to "fix" things.

I don't disagree that we have a problem, Houston, but blame-laying and rushes to judgement are no way to go about a stable, long-term solution.
 
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