Suicide the question of the answer

[Beelzebaby666]

I personally have never believed that a pill or dope or a bottle of Jack will ever cure my problems.

I pretty much blame myself for mistakes now and deal.

I've worked through much of my own stuff, on my own, and I can't help it if I see some people using medical terminolgy as an excuse or drugs as a crutch.

 

[Nicole_in_somd]

I personally have never believed that a pill or dope or a bottle of Jack will ever cure my problems.

I pretty much blame myself for mistakes now and deal.

I've worked through much of my own stuff, on my own, and I can't help it if I see some people using medical terminolgy as an excuse or drugs as a crutch.

well what works for some does not work for others....count it as a blessing you are able to work through these things on your own.

These people at least not all of them are NOT using anything as an excuse. There are many helpful websites and literature that explains that if you are interested in making statements about something knowing both sides of the story first....

 

[Chain729]

I personally have never believed that a pill or dope or a bottle of Jack will ever cure my problems.

I pretty much blame myself for mistakes now and deal.

I've worked through much of my own stuff, on my own, and I can't help it if I see some people using medical terminolgy as an excuse or drugs as a crutch.

A lot of times that's the case. Somebody claiming some crap they don't have. However, not everyone's brain is wired the same way. It's like trying to run Mac software on a PC. I don't care what you hit on the keyboard, it's not gonna fix it. It's not always your choices, your personality that's the problem, but rather your biology. You can work with it, you can improve the system, but you can't really fix it- it'll never run quite like it should.

You're not gonna walk up to a parapalegic and tell him to get off his ass and walk down to the store are you? After all, it's his choice to sit there, it's not like legs could possibly be in-operable. Same here. Some people just can't be rational, sane, or wise*. :shrug:

*Note/disclaimer: That last statement is an extreme. There are, of course, varying degrees of "functional."

 

[Nicole_in_somd]

A lot of times that's the case. Somebody claiming some crap they don't have. However, not everyone's brain is wired the same way. It's like trying to run Mac software on a PC. I don't care what you hit on the keyboard, it's not gonna fix it. It's not always your choices, your personality that's the problem, but rather your biology. You can work with it, you can improve the system, but you can't really fix it- it'll never run quite like it should.

You're not gonna walk up to a parapalegic and tell him to get off his ass and walk down to the store are you? After all, it's his choice to sit there, it's not like legs could possibly be in-operable. Same here. Some people just can't be rational, sane, or wise*. :shrug:

*Note/disclaimer: That last statement is an extreme. There are, of course, varying degrees of "functional."

Agreed. Good post.

 

[Beelzebaby666]

It's cool you are trying to give consideration to those with serious problems...


I do not see the two people I've been speaking of as the people you describe.

 

[Nicole_in_somd]

It's cool you are trying to give consideration to those with serious problems...


I do not see the two people I've been speaking of as the people you describe.

well I guess you know them better than I do. In any case I hope things work out for both

 

[KevinL650]

I understand that, I just wanted to correct it :shrug:



No. However people with personality disorders (depending upon the disorder) tend to. I know exactly what you are saying and have seen it in action.

When it comes to PD's, Xanax is odd. With milder cases, it usually makes them worse. With more severe cases, it's commonly perscribed.

Now here's the real kicker with disorders and something I don't believe I mentioned: Having a disorder is not always an either/or scenario. You can have a mood disorder or a PD, or you can have both. Someone could very possibly be say bi-polar and borderline and have an addiction. This confuses the experts as much as it does everyone else- there are common mis-diagnoses and over and under diagnoses for a reason. This is also why psychology is more of an art than a science.

If you'd like to read up on stuff, here's a good start: http://www.mentalhealth.com/

Ok maybe I should hav never come here but I am going to ask for your opinion anyway. Are you saying there is a possibility that she was misdiagnosed and if so if they gave her medication for that misdiagnosis would it have been dangerous for her. I want to understand so that I know what I could have done to help her. That way should I ever meet anyone like her again I will be better informed.

 

[julz20684]

Ok maybe I should hav never come here but I am going to ask for your opinion anyway. Are you saying there is a possibility that she was misdiagnosed and if so if they gave her medication for that misdiagnosis would it have been dangerous for her. I want to understand so that I know what I could have done to help her. That way should I ever meet anyone like her again I will be better informed.

I have rewritten and rewritten my post to this thread...one of which could have been a book.

Kevin, I will say this...should you ever meet anyone "like" her again, be a part of their life ONLY if you can endure the continual ups and downs that will likely occur over and over again. Be sure you can handle the fact that someone "like" her will emote in ways you cannot even begin to fathom. Her pain, over things that are menial to you, will be far greater than most can endure. And never, ever, ever tell that person their feelings are ridiculous. Angry as you are, hurt as you are...please don't ever discount their feelings for you can't begin to imagine the feelings that run through their head.

If you meet anyone "like" her again, information on disorders is your BEST defense. You will be exhausted...you will feel emotions, both up and down, that are logical and rational to you, but will not be logical and rational to them.

If you meet anyone "like" her again try to remember, hard as it may be at times, that person is hurting more on the inside than they ever could hurt anyone else. Addictions coupled with mental disorders are a deadly mix both figuratively and literally!

If you meet anyone "like" her again I hope you are a strong and patient person.

For those involved in this three-some of hatred, I feel sorry for all of you. For the ones that truely are suffering from an addiction or disorder or worse yet, both and for those who tried as they might, they just had to give up. It is painful for all involved but senseless to see it thrown out in the open as this has been done.

Consistant get the help you so desparately need, don't worry about others, right now you need to worry and focus on yourself. I hope that you have someone that will be there to help you through this addiction or disorder! And I hope they have a strong backbone that will see it through, it is a long hard road ahead of you and for the one that shares it with you as well. If you've cried wolf, so be it...I think really what you want is just for the pain and utter despair in your own mind to stop, however that may be. Consistant if you truley suffer from a disorder no one person is ever going to understand what goes on in your mind, you need to get the help to get started on your way towards healing. I only hope you get the correct help.

MyMo and BB666; walk away from this thread knowing you did what you could do at the time. You can't help her anymore...she needs to stand on her own now and if she truely has someone that can crawl through this journey with her, let them both just move on.

The time for ALL of your hateful actions and words is now; let it go and move on.

 

[Kain99]

I have personally dealt with mental illness and after reading all the crapola here I'm going to tell you the truth.

You cannot, ever expect to change those with mental or emotional disorders.

Not possible.

Accepting their abusive behavior...... Huge No - No! Absolutely fine to tell them they are being ridiculous!

Pretending they are normal is the very worst thing you can do.

 

[julz20684]

I have personally dealt with mental illness and after reading all the crapola here I'm going to tell you the truth.

You cannot, ever expect to change those with mental or emotional disorders.

Not possible.

Accepting their abusive behavior...... Huge No - No! Absolutely fine to tell them they are being ridiculous!

Pretending they are normal is the very worst thing you can do.

People with mental / emotional disorders can get better. If you've dealt with it as you claim you should know that. They can not get rid of the disorder as there is no "fix" for it, but they absolutely can get better. Just like an addict is always an addict but they can get better.

No one person should ever accept any abusive behavior I agree. Telling someone their feelings are ridiculous is not fine, just because you don't understand someone's feelings doesn't make that person's feelings ridiculous. It's quite possible you don't understand their feelings (and by "you" I'm speaking generally not specifically).

 

[Chain729]

Ok maybe I should hav never come here but I am going to ask for your opinion anyway. Are you saying there is a possibility that she was misdiagnosed and if so if they gave her medication for that misdiagnosis would it have been dangerous for her. I want to understand so that I know what I could have done to help her. That way should I ever meet anyone like her again I will be better informed.

I'm saying that that's always a possibility- happens every day. I'm also saying that I'm not a doctor, so look it up. The information is out there and it's not hard to find. Start with things that are reputable first and then go from there. Sort through the BS and you'll find out whatever you want to know.

 

[julz20684]

I'm saying that that's always a possibility- happens every day. I'm also saying that I'm not a doctor, so look it up. The information is out there and it's not hard to find. Start with things that are reputable first and then go from there. Sort through the BS and you'll find out whatever you want to know.

Medicating can sometimes be part of the problem. Not that I'm saying people with disorders shouldn't be medicated. But finding the right balance of meds is a trying experience and for those that self medicate, well the risks in that are pretty obvious.

 

[Kain99]

People with mental / emotional disorders can get better. If you've dealt with it as you claim you should know that. They can not get rid of the disorder as there is no "fix" for it, but they absolutely can get better. Just like an addict is always an addict but they can get better.

No one person should ever accept any abusive behavior I agree. Telling someone their feelings are ridiculous is not fine, just because you don't understand someone's feelings doesn't make that person's feelings ridiculous. It's quite possible you don't understand their feelings (and by "you" I'm speaking generally not specifically).

"As I claim?" Wow you really don't know me! People with mental illness do not "get better" Their symptoms can be controlled. An addict my friend, is always an addict.

You are entitled to any opinion you choose to have. However there are some of us who know the score.

Mentally ill peoples feelings are ridiculous! This is not a failing of the sane person listening.

Understanding the feelings of the insane does lend them anymore credence.

Julz I'm not sure if you are personally effected by disease or not but I can offer some very good resources to help you get more grounded if you'd like.

 

[Chain729]

Medicating can sometimes be part of the problem. Not that I'm saying people with disorders shouldn't be medicated. But finding the right balance of meds is a trying experience and for those that self medicate, well the risks in that are pretty obvious.

I'm not an advocate of doping people up with drugs and setting them loose as most doc's see as SOP. I am an advocate of giving those who require it just enough to take the edge off so that they can learn to cope with their problem.

 

[jetmonkey]

I'm just trying to figure out what the hell the title of this thread means.

 

[Chain729]

"As I claim?" Wow you really don't know me! People with mental illness do not "get better" Their symptoms can be controlled. An addict my friend, is always an addict.

You are entitled to any opinion you choose to have. However there are some of us who know the score.

Mentally ill peoples feelings are ridiculous! This is not a failing of the sane person listening.

Understanding the feelings of the insane does lend them anymore credence.

Julz I'm not sure if you are personally effected by disease or not but I can offer some very good resources to help you get more grounded if you'd like.

SH, I don't think she meant "get better" as "cured." I believe she meant "get better" as in "improve" or as you said "control the symptoms."

 

[Chain729]

I'm just trying to figure out what the hell the title of this thread means.

When you figure that out, I've got the ramblings of an 8 month old that I need deciphered.

 

[KevinL650]

I'm not an advocate of doping people up with drugs and setting them loose as most doc's see as SOP. I am an advocate of giving those who require it just enough to take the edge off so that they can learn to cope with their problem.

Okay have been doing some reading and it says that bi-polar is a chemical imbalance in the brain. Somethng about the brain not producing the chemicals it needs to avoid being clinically depressed. So I take this to mean that if medicated then she can get "better" or at least be on a more even level. It also says that many bi-polar people become suicidal. Some of them even succeed as she almost did in November. It also says it is not an attention seeker but a cry for help and not knowing how to ask for it. Am I understanding this correctly?

 

[cattitude]

I have personally dealt with mental illness and after reading all the crapola here I'm going to tell you the truth.

You cannot, ever expect to change those with mental or emotional disorders.

Not possible.

Accepting their abusive behavior...... Huge No - No! Absolutely fine to tell them they are being ridiculous!

Pretending they are normal is the very worst thing you can do.

"As I claim?" Wow you really don't know me! People with mental illness do not "get better" Their symptoms can be controlled. An addict my friend, is always an addict.

You are entitled to any opinion you choose to have. However there are some of us who know the score.

Mentally ill peoples feelings are ridiculous! This is not a failing of the sane person listening.

Understanding the feelings of the insane does lend them anymore credence.

Julz I'm not sure if you are personally effected by disease or not but I can offer some very good resources to help you get more grounded if you'd like.

 

[cdsulhoff]

Many mental illnesses can be controlled by medication and treatment. Sometimes stress in a person's life can trigger incidents of mental illness.

Do not confuse mental illness with insanity. It isn't the same and to think that, leads me to believe you may not understand as much as you could. And anyway, what is sanity? What is normal? It cannot always be defined.

I have been diagnosed with Anxiety Disorder. I never had a problem with this prior to my symptoms, but due to stress in my life, I sought treatment and was found to have Anxiety Disorder. They started medication but I felt that it wasn't the best course of action for me. I ended up going to treatment and have learned the triggers, how to avoid, etc., incidences. So, according to your post, nothing I say matters, because I'm insane. Granted, that may be true some of the time, but it isn't true all of the time.

I have the same thing as you Pandora.. My mom and grandma also suffers as well with Anxiety Disorder. This is a hereditary thing in my family. Shoot, One day I went shopping and then BAM it hit me while I was shopping for pots and pans. I now have to take Zoloft and it helps. However, I only take 25 mg which is a baby dose. When I was first diagnosed and had to take meds, I freaked out. I don't like to take meds at all. I had an anxiety attack about taking the medication.. From the looks of it I will be on the meds for a long time to come.. I think people who developed their disorder through stressful life can get treatment without meds. But there are those that have this disorder that runs in the family...