Suicide..

PJay

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wondered what was written about it in the Bible, found following scriptures:

(1 Corinthians 6:19-20 NIV) [19] Do you not know that your body is a temple of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God? You are not your own; [20] you were bought at a price. Therefore honor God with your body.

(1 Corinthians 3:16-17 NIV) [16] Don't you know that you yourselves are God's temple and that God's Spirit lives in you? [17] If anyone destroys God's temple, God will destroy him; for God&'s temple is sacred, and you are that temple.

I think I can figure that if you do not know God or welcomed Jesus in your heart God will judge what will happen to you. You only go to hell if you were Christian?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Suicide is a person taking God's role in their own life which a Christian knows not to do. Anyone who takes their own life has rejected God as the Lord of their life. That begs the question whether a person who was or was thought of as being Christian commits suicide was really a Christian and remained a Christian in taking their own life.

I don't remember anywhere in the Bible that this is discussed specifically. There are several instances of suicide in the Bible including Saul and Judas.

My own opinion is that they have rejected God's reign in their life and have chosen not to be a Christian by committing suicide. But it is unclear. There are those, Baptists and some others, that have the dogma of once saved always saved. I don't think that agrees with scripture. Otherwise a name could never be erased from the book of life.
Revelation 3:4-6


<sup id="en-NASB-30752">4</sup>'But you have a few people in Sardis who have not soiled their garments; and they will walk with Me in white, for they are worthy.

<sup id="en-NASB-30753">5</sup>'He who overcomes will thus be clothed in white garments; and I will not erase his name from the book of life, and I will confess his name before My Father and before His angels.

<sup id="en-NASB-30754">6</sup>'He who has an ear, let him hear what the Spirit says to the churches.'
But I certainly am not in charge of who goes to heaven. I guess we will just have to wait and see if those who we thought to be Christian and committed suicide are in heaven.
 
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dems4me

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2ndAmendment said:
Suicide is a person taking God's role in their own life which a Christian knows not to do. Anyone who takes their own life has rejected God as the Lord of their life. That begs the question whether a person who was or was thought of as being Christian commits suicide was really a Christian and remained a Christian in taking their own life.

I don't remember anywhere in the Bible that this is discussed specifically. There are several instances of suicide in the Bible including Saul and Judas.

My own opinion is that they have rejected God's reign in their life and have chosen not to be a Christian by committing suicide. But it is unclear. There are those, Baptists and some others, that have the dogma of once saved always saved. I don't think that agrees with scripture. Otherwise a name could never be erased from the book of life. But I certainly am not in charge of who goes to heaven. I guess we will just have to wait and see if those who we thought to be Christian and committed suicide are in heaven.

I could be wrong but I always thought that went in the same vein as playing God and though shalt not kill - even if it is yourself.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
dems4me said:
I could be wrong but I always thought that went in the same vein as playing God and though shalt not kill - even if it is yourself.
Agreed. But as you have pointed out, Christians are not perfect, just forgiven. Murderers, homosexuals, adulterers, fornicators, thieves, sinners of all types are forgiven if they seek forgiveness through Jesus.

The question is would a Christian commit suicide and if a person that has called and been recognized by others as a Christian really saved if they kill themselves. My inclination is that they have no opportunity to repent of their final act which is a sin, so they die in unrepented sin and have their name removed from the book of life. I know of no place where the Bible specifically discusses this subject.
 

Dondi

Dondi
I wonder about suicide for cases of people under immeasureable stress. Suppose, for example, a teenage with an abusive parent who has to deal with repeated offenses night after night. You've gotta imagine that teenager's esteem is a very low point, even if that person is a Christian. Do you suppose that in an extreme case such as this, God's grace would cover suicide considering the circumstances? Not that it would be right to commit suicide, but everyone has a breaking point, doncha think?
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Dondi said:
I wonder about suicide for cases of people under immeasureable stress. Suppose, for example, a teenage with an abusive parent who has to deal with repeated offenses night after night. You've gotta imagine that teenager's esteem is a very low point, even if that person is a Christian. Do you suppose that in an extreme case such as this, God's grace would cover suicide considering the circumstances? Not that it would be right to commit suicide, but everyone has a breaking point, doncha think?
Sorry. God being a loving Father, I would hope so, but I really don't know since the Bible does not say anything that I know of on the subject beyond what has already been stated.
 

PJay

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Dondi said:
I wonder about suicide for cases of people under immeasureable stress. Suppose, for example, a teenage with an abusive parent who has to deal with repeated offenses night after night. You've gotta imagine that teenager's esteem is a very low point, even if that person is a Christian. Do you suppose that in an extreme case such as this, God's grace would cover suicide considering the circumstances? Not that it would be right to commit suicide, but everyone has a breaking point, doncha think?

True on everyone having a breaking point. My Mother did this. Anyway, been trying to find something in the Bible about depression and if that would be taken into consideration. No luck so far.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Homesick said:
True on everyone having a breaking point. My Mother did this. Anyway, been trying to find something in the Bible about depression and if that would be taken into consideration. No luck so far.
I have never seen an "out". We are supposed to put our cares and burdens on Jesus.


Matthew 11:27-29

<sup id="en-NASB-23487">27</sup>"All things have been handed over to Me by My Father; and no one knows the Son except the Father; nor does anyone know the Father except the Son, and anyone to whom the Son wills to reveal Him.

<sup id="en-NASB-23488">28</sup>"Come to Me, all who are weary and heavy-laden, and I will give you rest.

<sup id="en-NASB-23489">29</sup>"Take My yoke upon you and learn from Me, for I am gentle and humble in heart, and YOU WILL FIND REST FOR YOUR SOULS.
 

PJay

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2ndAmendment said:
I have never seen an "out". We are supposed to put our cares and burdens on Jesus.

I trust that you haven't. I don't know if she Knew Jesus. Just sorry for her and wished I could have talked her out of it. I failed her.
 

PJay

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....but I took the lesson from it. No matter how many times I told her I loved her, (though she rejected me) it wasn't enough.

Same as God loves us and we reject Him.
 

Dondi

Dondi
Homesick said:
True on everyone having a breaking point. My Mother did this. Anyway, been trying to find something in the Bible about depression and if that would be taken into consideration. No luck so far.


I'm sorry to hear about that, Homesick. I pray that God will grant you peace and comfort. I believe God looks at the heart and not our circumstances and that He is merciful. There are many issues not addressed fully in the Bible. John even said that more could be written about Jesus that even all the books in the world could not contain them. I also know God is just and a rightful Judge takes everything into consideration.
 

2ndAmendment

Just a forgiven sinner
PREMO Member
Homesick said:
I trust that you haven't. I don't know if she Knew Jesus. Just sorry for her and wished I could have talked her out of it. I failed her.
Don't take that burden on yourself. Give it to God.

The sermon at our church last Sunday was not picking up baggage that does not belong to us. All too often, we pick up "baggage", burdens, cares, woes, that we can do nothing about. We really need to take the scripture I posted to heart and give our burdens to Jesus. We need to only pick up the "baggage" He wants us to carry.
 
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