Supreme Court decides: Health care mandate stands
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DipStick
Keep Calm and Don't Care!
I remember it being sold as a tax.
bcp
In My Opinion
What ObamaCare Means for Your Taxes - SmartMoney.com
Interesting, as I am pretty sure that many here fall into the income catagory that is referred to here.
Interesting, as I am pretty sure that many here fall into the income catagory that is referred to here.
ylexot
Super Genius
They can also modify the Constitution through the amendment process. So, whatever ruling SCOTUS makes can be nullified through a constitutional amendment.
DipStick
Keep Calm and Don't Care!
And that requires overwhelming supermajorities. A majority on one side or the other can't even break a fillibuster.
Chris0nllyn
Well-Known Member
Tilted
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Indeed. I've read a number of things in this thread that just aren't true (or suggest that someone believes something that just isn't true).
I share people's frustration with the situation though, so I haven't felt the need to point much of it out. Today's a day to be upset with the situation in general and do a little venting, even if some of the venting might be directed at straw men - not a day to kick people while their down.
I responded to bresamil's inquiry (and to correct something with regard to it) because she seemed genuinely curious and to be searching for an accurate answer to a specific question. I was pretty confident I could provide that.
PsyOps
Pixelated
This astounds me, although it shouldn’t. How can anyone think it’s a good idea for the government tell us we must buy something as a condition of being a human? What else are you comfortable with the government dictating to you? Are you really this mentally helpless that you need the government to tell you what’s best for you?
I get that there are people that can’t afford health insurance, and this doesn’t fix that. It makes it worse. Now those that can’t afford it will be forced to pay a fine… errr… tax; that they probably can’t afford. Companies that didn’t provide insurance will now be forced to provide it. It is a growing consensus that businesses being forced into this will lay people off because they simply can’t afford it. So this solves what? And you’re okay with it? Higher unemployment is a good idea to you?
I really don’t want to be insulting, but this whole thing is insulting to people like me that work hard and make smart decisions about my well-being, but are you really this ignorant to believe the government knows better than you do about what’s best for you? It simply amazes me that there are people that are so willing to give up so much to the government; as if it were theirs to take. And then decades later, your children ask "What happened?"
ylexot
Super Genius
Yeah...and? That is one of the "checks and balances" that Congress has against the SCOTUS...which was the question awpitt and I were answering.
ylexot
Super Genius
Sad, isn't it?
I'm not happy with Obamacare. I'm not happy with the ruling. But I'm not going to make stuff up about it. It has enough flaws that are real.
Baja28
Obama destroyed America
You remember wrong....
Video: Obama and Kathleen Sebelius Saying Obamacare Not a Tax | Video | TheBlaze.com
Freedom's Lighthouse » In 2009 Obama Argued Passionately ObamaCare Mandate is “Not a Tax”; Supreme Court Upholds it as a “Tax” – Video 2009
Issa to Obama: What Happened to Obamacare Not Being a Tax? - Hit & Run : Reason.com
“In selling Obamacare, Congressional Democrats and President Obama assured the American people that it was not a tax. Today, the Supreme Court ruled it was, in fact, a tax. This tax was imposed on the American people amidst an extended recession and is one of the many reasons our economy remains stagnant under President Obama’s leadership.
PsyOps
Pixelated
But you, being probably the most educated on these things, even admitted in another thread that even if it were just one person forced to buy something at the behest of the government is wrong. From that standpoint, what in any fashion makes this decision even remotely right? I’m a far simpler guy than you are when it comes to these things, but you and all your knowledge, and all of our so-called ‘constitutional scholars’ have yet to convince me in any way this bill is even remotely constitutional. I get so fed up lawyers and ‘scholars’ with all their legal wrangling and manipulation of the English language to complicate these things far more than they need to be. The simple truth of this matter is the government has been given unending power to force us to participate in commerce. They are forcing us to buy something as a consequence of being human. In that, they can force us to buy anything THEY deem in our best interest. You’ve admitted you know of no precedence to this. So please, what do people like me that are thinking this way – and this includes pundits and scholars out there that are far smarter than you and I – have so wrong?Indeed. I've read a number of things in this thread that just aren't true (or suggest that someone believes something that just isn't true).
I share people's frustration with the situation though, so I haven't felt the need to point much of it out. Today's a day to be upset with the situation in general and do a little venting, even if some of the venting might be directed at straw men - not a day to kick people while their down.
I responded to bresamil's inquiry (and to correct something with regard to it) because she seemed genuinely curious and to be searching for an accurate answer to a specific question. I was pretty confident I could provide that.
migtig
aka Mrs. Giant
I know this sounds like an odd comparison, but maybe Tilted and a few others will get it. Today's SCOTUS decision seems so inherently wrong and it reminds me of when Justice Holmes (way before our time) said "Three generations of imbeciles are enough" and more than 40,000 women were sterilized if they were any way determined to be mentally disabled aka "unfit" - which was very open to interpretation back then. Which also lead the way for Nazis to justify not only sterlization, but euthanasia of anyone they deemed undesirable. Which in the early days, many Americans supported.
BTW, the Supreme Court has never overruled it.
So good luck everybody.
BTW, the Supreme Court has never overruled it.
So good luck everybody.
jetmonkey
New Member
I don't want to buy it, I just want to have it. Where can I get this free insurance you speak of?
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bcp
In My Opinion
just find someone with more money than you have (hint, its not me) and reach in their pocket.I don't want to buy, it, I just want to have it. Where can I get this free insurance you speak of?
Theft is now ok in the U.S providing it gives you something you want (dont need)
It is not fair that just because someone makes a million a year and you make 100k that they get to drive a nicer car then you.
laynpipe
New Member
No where did I say it was free. I said there is a difference between having it and buying it. For instance, I have an incredible plan that is provided for me by my employer. Therefore, I have it and am not buying it as it is provided for me as a perk to my employment.I don't want to buy it, I just want to have it. Where can I get this free insurance you speak of?
Have you read up on how many employers are expected to drop coverage once the public programs are in place? Lots of them..
itsbob
I bowl overhand
President doesn't have the authroity to grant illegal aliens amnesty, work visas, and benefits either..