SWAT team/Emergency Vehicles at Brown Road/Forrest Farm subdivision

LexiGirl75

LexiGirl75

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StrwberryKisses said:
I agree why not wound him so that they can disarm him and give him the mental help he so desperately needed. Serving in a war zone is hard not only on him but the family too. The things that a returning solider can have a hard time with are amazing.
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I have yet to see a case where they shoot to wound so that they can apprehend. I agree, dude served his country and his mental state was a result of him serving time in Afghanistan of all places. I would think any officer of the law could relate to the toll serving and protecting takes on one's spirit.

I also understand that they were going to gas him out and that he was shooting at police. Sometimes I wonder if they shot to wound if apprehending would turn out safely. This guy would have been a good person to test the theory on since he wasn't committing a crime against someone else (minus the gun shots at the officers). I am glad that everyone police and citizen was not hurt.
 
AK-74me

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
mingiz said:
It's all so sad that it happened. But my question is..If there are trained marksman on the scene why didn't they just hit him in the legs or somewhere that it would put him down without killing him. :shrug: I never really understood that type of scenerio ???
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You guys don't understand deadly force policies then! If a situation deems deadly force to be used then the goal is to stop the subject, which means a shot center mass or to the head.

Shooting to wound sets the shooter, the shooters agency and all kinds of other people up for law suits, not to mention the most important thing, when you shoot to wound, especially when the bad guy is armed, you are just asking for the good guys to get seriously injured or killed.

He had plenty of time to give up, the police gave him all the time that they could. What was it 13-14 hrs., he had his mind made up that either he was gonna kill somebody or they were going to kill him, and I think he probably got what he hoped for when he started this mess.
 
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StrwberryKisses

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LexiGirl75 said:
I think this is really sad and I am sad about the outcome of the incident. However, I am not at all surprised that someone who has been to the Middle East would have those feelings about having to go back.

While 29 is a young person depending on how long he has been in the service and how long he has been back and forth since maybe 9/11 I can see him having big time issues about returning especially around the holidays.

My question is, if service duty is voluntary how come you can not unvolunteer when you've had enough? And also, per Jazz's opinion (which I agree it's sad it was his last resort) what would be some other ways he could have hoped to get out of his obligation?

Paso I am sorry for your lost and I know that your sweet heart will be one that the family will need support from. :huggy: :flowers:
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These young men and woman sign a contract that they will be in for so many years. I know the Army is normally 4 years for there first enlistment. When we are in time of peace the reservists only do there two weekends a month two weeks a year. But because we are at war they are calling more and more reservists to the front lines so that those that are active duty can have a little time with there family.

These soldiers are seeing more and more intense fighting and its hard to come to terms with having to kill someone. My boyfriend would wake up in the middle of the night and not realize where he was. And other times he would be in tears from nightmares. These men and women need more than just a required 2 week debriefing they need help readjusting to what we would consider normal life. And it is truly hard to be on the other end when you can do nothing but hold them until the dreams are over.
 
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wojo's girl

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Once you sign that piece of paper, you belong to the government. His only way out would be to tell his CO that he wanted to hurt himself or someone else, but then he would have to go a big orderly with shrinks, and then that is not saying for sure they would still not send him.

The poor guy was having a hard time, and it is so sad....They should really have more help for those people that have to go oversea...They make people go in to training before they go,they need to have even more training for when they come home...

I'm sure many of soldiers are killing themselves cause they don't want to go, that would really have to mess with your head so bad to know that you are going some where that you could die. He probably just wanted to end it sooner then later...

My heart goes out to the family....Did he have kids?
 
Pasofever

Pasofever

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What would have happened if they just left him...all the other people were off the farm..just left him for awhile I guess that was not an option??
 
AK-74me

AK-74me

"Typical White Person"
Pasofever said:
What would have happened if they just left him...all the other people were off the farm..just left him for awhile I guess that was not an option??
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From my uderstanding in reading the articles his parents are the ones that called the Sheriff's Dept?

He was in their house, I would guess that if they didn't feel he was truely a threat then they would of just left him alone and never called for help.
 
Pasofever

Pasofever

Does my butt look big?
AK-74me said:
From my uderstanding in reading the articles his parents are the ones that called the Sheriff's Dept?

He was in their house, I would guess that if they didn't feel he was truely a threat then they would of just left him alone and never called for help.
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Yeah guess you are right......I guess there is alot we dont know/understand..and might not ever...we were not there...
 
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wojo's girl

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But you would think that the parents were there and they knew the son wanted to kill himself and leave the house...I would think that the parents were out some where when they called...
 
BlackSheep

BlackSheep

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No harm intended but, who's to say he wouldn't have killed his parents or anyone else for that matter?? We may never know his mindset! He clearly was desparate....it was a damn shame
 
BS Gal

BS Gal

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My prayers go out the the family. Christmas will never be the same for them. The will grieve the loss of their boy every Christmas. How very sad this is.
 
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crazysquid

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There's always going to be 2 sides to the story and the media just loves to eat this #### up regardless of what happened. There was issues with him at the time but who doesn't have issues. I know most of you never gotten to the point that he did but I know he had his reasons for the way he acted. He was in the Army and recieved orders and in his job line that he had, it would make any human being a little on edge but if you think about his job profession in the Army, if he wanted to shoot the officers, he could have. I'm not on here to prove any right or wrong about the situation. All I'm saying is that you need to think about the families that were involved in this and what they are going through at this point. Don't always believe what you hear with the media.
 
BlackSheep

BlackSheep

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crazysquid said:
There's always going to be 2 sides to the story and the media just loves to eat this #### up regardless of what happened. There was issues with him at the time but who doesn't have issues. I know most of you never gotten to the point that he did but I know he had his reasons for the way he acted. He was in the Army and recieved orders and in his job line that he had, it would make any human being a little on edge but if you think about his job profession in the Army, if he wanted to shoot the officers, he could have. I'm not on here to prove any right or wrong about the situation. All I'm saying is that you need to think about the families that were involved in this and what they are going through at this point. Don't always believe what you hear with the media.
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You probably right on with your assessment-but I'm sure there is more to this than being despondent about recent orders for him to go to Iraq.
 
Richard Cranium

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Richard Cranium said:
Damn, I was pulling for my brother-in-arms too.
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When I said this I meant for it to say that I wish he could have found another way out, or come to his senses, something, anything to prevent taking his own life...directly or indirectly.
 
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Booboo3604

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keekee said:
NBC:
LEONARDTOWN, Md. -- St. Mary's County sheriff's deputies are at a barricade situation in Leonardtown.

Authorities said that an Army ranger who recently returned from Afghanistan is upset that he has been called back to the Middle East.

The barricade on Dusty Road began Monday night, and authorities said the man shot at sheriff's cars.

No hostages have been reported.
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I can understand him being upset about having to return again however I dont think they would cause a sane person to act this way. My BIL who is a Marine is leaving in March for his second tour. He is having the same concerns about going as many people who go feel like they got "lucky" surviving the first time. My BIL even knows that when he returns from that tour in march, hes home for five months and then he has a third tour coming. Even with knowing he is going to spend the last over two years of his enlistment in Iraq and he will have toured three times in a 5 year enlistment, I cant see him or any of his friend coming to this. They have to much to live for. They would rather take the chance of being shot at all and surviving then take the chance of surviving when they shoot themselves.

Just doesnt make sense to me. :shrug:
 
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