SWAT team/Emergency Vehicles at Brown Road/Forrest Farm subdivision

[sockgirl77]

I am sure this has been said countless times and I am will say it for myself. If you feel the need to give negative Karma then perhaps you should have the sack to sign it so I can address you head on. I am sure that when Mr.Dean joined the Army his intentions were honrorable. Things change and people change and its people like him and many others that allow us all to express our opinions in this forum.

FYI, I have also witnessed the horrors of war and would do it again given the opportunity so that idiots that give unsigned karma can continue to be idiots.

I signed mine. :shrug:

 

[StrwberryKisses]

I am sure this has been said countless times and I am will say it for myself. If you feel the need to give negative Karma then perhaps you should have the sack to sign it so I can address you head on. I am sure that when Mr.Dean joined the Army his intentions were honrorable. Things change and people change and its people like him and many others that allow us all to express our opinions in this forum.

FYI, I have also witnessed the horrors of war and would do it again given the opportunity so that idiots that give unsigned karma can continue to be idiots.

Well Said and thank you for your service to our country

 

[AK-74me]

I talked to some guys in the Sheriff's Dept. evidentally they shot over 100 cannisters of CS in the house hoping he would come out, they still don't know how he with stood it, they found no gas mask from last report. He was using a shotgun loaded with birdshot, but he was supposedly taking aim shots at officers.

I feel bad for the guy, I really do, but he put those police officers in a no win situation. From what I hear the guy lost a bunch of buddies in a humvee explosion in Iraq in which he was a sole survivor.

 

[madleo]

Lessons learned.

1) Our troops are not gettig the breaks they need, bring em home damnit! Let the EU fight their own damn battles in THEIR backyard, we will help but not fight their battles for them. You'd think after WW2 they would have figured out to NOT make money off a cancer growing in their lap but rather stop it before it gets out of hand. But NO we will profit from it and the US will come clean up the mess for us WITH THEIR CHILDREN'S LIVES!

2) If someone close to you even seems suicidal talk to them NOW!

3) Lock your guns up if they are not in use. Get a quick access safe for home protection.

4) When you call the police in any domestic situation you imediately give up ALL control of the situation. (however when someone in your home has a gun and starts talking like they are going to kill anyone, putting distance between you and them fast is the right thing to do ALWAYS)

5) I'm sure it hurt every law officer there to see this play out as it did. Many law officers are x military and more than you realized may have been at the same point he was in their life at some time.

6) Don't show, point, or shoot a firearm unless you plan to kill. Once you do you have displayed a leathal threat and you can be killed by someone else in self defense.

7) Most regular people in this kind of situation give up after they tire out. Here you had a trained soldier who had enduance and drive against himself in his own mind. Not an average person.

I wish to hell they could have gotten is CO to talk to him. I question did they have a trained person on hand to "talk him down"? And WHY!! where officers so close as to be in the line of danger that a SWAT dude had to shoot him???

But on the other hand you have a guy with I'm guessing a rifle that would rip right through a vest at close range. Other homes nearby and he must have done something to set the swat guy off into kill mode.

These guys are trained to react to different threat levels. Once the person exihibts say threat level "C" then he has crossed that line that they must take him out. Him firing shots way early on and them giving him a chance to cool down shows they did have some compssion cause they could have killed him much sooner and still have been justified.

Personally I can think of several things I wish I could have said to him. So I'll say them here.

Tomorrow is gonna come, it may be worse than today it may be better. But if you ain't here you won't know. This is not so bad now that it can't be worked out. You'll be out of the military now on Sect.8 and we can get you a good lawyer, pleade post war syndrome and you'll get some help and most likely not do any time.

You matter in this world to someone. In your life you have helped someone and someone somewhere in the future is gonna need your help some day. Be here to help them when they need it.

You have options there is never only one option.

Dude I did not even know you but your actions hit me hard. I'm sad for everyone involved and your memory will most likely come to mind every holiday for the rest of my life. You have impacted my life this holiday and given me many things to think about, I'm sorry you had to die to do it, I would have rather of known you adn shook your hand for serving our contry.

Anyone reading this. If you ever have thoughts of suicide go talk to someone.

Can someone here point to who, what, when, and where to call when you get to the point that you feel like you can't go on any longer? Maybe if this young man had had access to someone earlier this would have never gone as far as it did.

Does that Walden/Sierra place have a crissis hotline?

my prayers to him and his family

 

[LexiGirl75]

Yeah guess you are right......I guess there is alot we dont know/understand..and might not ever...we were not there...

Though some people understand the need for one to kill themselves I don't think his parents was wanting that or even wanting it done in their home. I think they called the police because it was an emergency situation and maybe they thought he would be immediately apprehended and taken in for evaluation. It really is sad.

 

[LexiGirl75]

When I said this I meant for it to say that I wish he could have found another way out, or come to his senses, something, anything to prevent taking his own life...directly or indirectly.

There were a lot of military deaths (some suicides) around this time last year in this area. I really see the need for people to remember them around the holidays such as sending care packages, cards and things.

 

[LexiGirl75]

I can understand him being upset about having to return again however I dont think they would cause a sane person to act this way. My BIL who is a Marine is leaving in March for his second tour. He is having the same concerns about going as many people who go feel like they got "lucky" surviving the first time. My BIL even knows that when he returns from that tour in march, hes home for five months and then he has a third tour coming. Even with knowing he is going to spend the last over two years of his enlistment in Iraq and he will have toured three times in a 5 year enlistment, I cant see him or any of his friend coming to this. They have to much to live for. They would rather take the chance of being shot at all and surviving then take the chance of surviving when they shoot themselves.

Just doesnt make sense to me. :shrug:

I would love to know what the job duties of a Ranger are. I know they are top dogs in the war but I am not really sure what all they do. Can anyone shed some light on what his tour of duty may have been like in Afghanistan? TIA

 

[AK-74me]

I would love to know what the job duties of a Ranger are. I know they are top dogs in the war but I am not really sure what all they do. Can anyone shed some light on what his tour of duty may have been like in Afghanistan? TIA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Rangers

Don't know if they are "top dogs" but they are a specialized unit.

Army also has special forces units ; Delta, Green Berets.....

 

[LexiGirl75]

All I will say is this: He was an Army Ranger. Unless you've been one, or know one well, it is hard to understand what they do and what they see. They are different from standard Army. They see what others don't, they do what others can't, they live through things they can never divulge. My customer was a Ranger. He still can't talk about it. Some just can't handle it, no matter how qualified they are going in. They just don't want to be part of it anymore. I think they should be allowed an out within the Army to a position of less stress whenever they choose, without question. We all know when we're close to cracking - he knew but I guess no one understood.


I don't know this young man but I have a family member with the same name and when the news came on this morning I stopped breathing for just a second until they gave his middle name and age.

My heart goes out to his family. Christmas will never be the same for them.

Thanks Bre, I was hoping to get an understand of his job and the possible affects it could have on someone.

 

[LexiGirl75]

When you take the oath of enlistment you promise to support and defend the constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic. You promise to obey all orders from the President of the United States.

You are also asked if you mantain conscientious objector status.

If you can't keep that promise then stay out of our military!

Mental disabilities can come upon ANYONE at ANYTIME. It could be late hereditary or a chemical imbalance or anything. His wanting to serve and protect clearly was sincere in his accomplishments of becoming a ranger and a marksman. I think he seriously had a break down.

I personally wouldn't go and would try day and night to talk any of my loved ones out of it as far as the Iraq war is concerned. I love America but I'm scared of the crazy bombers in that country and the no notice killings from their mentally disrupted civilians.

 

[Nickel]

All I will say is this: He was an Army Ranger. Unless you've been one, or know one well, it is hard to understand what they do and what they see. They are different from standard Army. They see what others don't, they do what others can't, they live through things they can never divulge. My customer was a Ranger. He still can't talk about it. Some just can't handle it, no matter how qualified they are going in. They just don't want to be part of it anymore. I think they should be allowed an out within the Army to a position of less stress whenever they choose, without question. We all know when we're close to cracking - he knew but I guess no one understood.

I couldn't have said it better myself. My cousin came back from his second tour in Iraq with Post Traumatic Stress Syndrome. He threatened suicide in front of his superiors, and they just locked him up in the drunk tank for a night and sent him home. He just got back from six months in Afghanistan.

 

[ylexot]

Lessons learned.

1) Our troops are not gettig the breaks they need, bring em home damnit! Let the EU fight their own damn battles in THEIR backyard, we will help but not fight their battles for them. You'd think after WW2 they would have figured out to NOT make money off a cancer growing in their lap but rather stop it before it gets out of hand. But NO we will profit from it and the US will come clean up the mess for us WITH THEIR CHILDREN'S LIVES!

Things are different now than they were back in WWII. We can travel from one side of the world to the other in under a day. Worldwide communications are effectively instantaneous. There is no such thing as safety by geographic separation...or did you forget about 9/11?

3) Lock your guns up if they are not in use. Get a quick access safe for home protection.

Where did you get that lesson learned?

But on the other hand you have a guy with I'm guessing a rifle that would rip right through a vest at close range. Other homes nearby and he must have done something to set the swat guy off into kill mode.

According to AK-74me, he was using a shotgun loaded with birdshot, but he was supposedly taking aim shots at officers.

 

[aps45819]

I would love to know what the job duties of a Ranger are. I know they are top dogs in the war but I am not really sure what all they do. Can anyone shed some light on what his tour of duty may have been like in Afghanistan? TIA

Traditionally they get the tough jobs. They got the Normandy beach with a cliff on D Day

Now they are long range recon, in the field in front of the front lines. Living for weeks on days rations and trained for up close and personal combat.

 

[watercolor]

Man! I am so sorry to hear all of this happened. I am sorry for his wife- his step kids, his parents- and all other family involved. They are in our prayers.

 

[Ehesef]

According to AK-74me, he was using a shotgun loaded with birdshot, but he was supposedly taking aim shots at officers.

If he was taking aim shots at officers, he would have hit them. He was trained to do so. My belief is that he began taking shots out of desperation. The situation clearly spiraled out of control on his part.

 

[LexiGirl75]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Army_Rangers

Don't know if they are "top dogs" but they are a specialized unit.

Army also has special forces units ; Delta, Green Berets.....

Thank you.

 

[LexiGirl75]

Traditionally they get the tough jobs. They got the Normandy beach with a cliff on D Day

Now they are long range recon, in the field in front of the front lines. Living for weeks on days rations and trained for up close and personal combat.

Thank you Aps,

That photo is traumatic looking. I think about my life and the little things that bother me and I think about the things I might endure throughout this life. None of those thoughts have anything to do with what soldiers in war go through. But then it's because of them that I don't have to go through any of it.

To the soldiers that are still here serving and protecting us. Thank you so much!

To the veterans and former soldiers who have served and protected us and are still here, I hope you are living a life that you can enjoy and I thank you so much.

To those fallen soldiers who served and protected us. Thank you so much and may you rest in peace.

 

[wojo's girl]

Everyone should really feel sorry for the guy and his family..and not put him down for not being able to handle going over seas again to watch his friends be killed or having to kill some small kid cause he had a bomb strapped to themselves..
Those guys over there are so we have our freedom. For some one to say that he shouldn't of signed the papers, should be ashamed of yourself..Cause he protected you for a year of his life.
For someone over to go over sea with all the killing that is going on and if they starting Enjoying their job...They have a problem..
So many men and women are coming home with major problems...And I'm sure that 99% of them, didn't think they would have all of these problems when they signed their papers..
Why he did what he did, no one will ever know..But he did the best he could with what he had and known....

God Bless Him and I Hope that he is at Peace Now!!!!!!

 

[aps45819]

Thank you Aps,

That photo is traumatic looking.

Taken at the National D Day memorial in Bedford VA. That little town lost more men (per capita) than any other on D Day.

 

[LexiGirl75]

Taken at the National D Day memorial in Bedford VA. That little town lost more men (per capita) than any other on D Day.

I think soldiers are sincere and selfless in wanting us and others to feel safe and they know someone has to do it, but to have a final word from every fallen soldier would be priceless...