Talledega!!

[newnickname]

Originally posted by Ken King
Maybe NASCAR should look at miles to go versus laps to go when thinking about the red flag and the green/white/checker finale. 5 laps at Talladega is over 13 miles while at Dover it's only 5 miles and some tracks a lot less.

I thing I'll give "Humpy Wheeler" a call and pass that on.

 

[Pete]

Re: Re: Re: Furthermore

the same could have been accomplished by simply giving the winner of the race an additional couple points. how would you feel racking up a 200-pt lead because you are good and win races, but when that "shoot-out" comes, you now only have a 5-pt lead and have to start all over again ... say you your car picks that week to blow an engine ... or you are the unfortunate recipient of a chunk of concrete hitting your fender ... or a seagull slamming into your windshield? :shrug: My point is that a driver could deservedly build up a considerable points lead, yet have it erased when it's time for the shootout and be left behind due to some fluke; yet he busted his ass all season to build up a sizeable lead that's now gone ... I just don't think it's right.

I am sure you are more of an expert about it in the couple of seasons watched or the 3 or 4 races you have been to than Mike Helton and Bill France. You yourself said you thought Ryan Newman should have won the championship last year. Well if you gave him 10 extra per win he still would not have won, 20 extra?....nope, 30? nope again, 40? no, 50 ? wrong again, if you gave 60 extra then Jimmy Johnson would have won by 10 points and he even had 5 less wins. 60 points BTW is 32% more than the max you can get by winning and leading the most laps. I am not defending the change but I see it for what it really is, a change to promote competition. If you believe your argument the next time Dallas gets in the playoffs as a wildcard, they have to spot the division champion team they play in the first round 14 points, because after all they did have a better record. It takes the top teams and evens the playing feild for a 10 race playoff. If thats the route they want to go I don't care. But to lay it on NASCAR that they changed it because they are money grubbing and they in some way benefit is clearly not the case. You think the goobers throwing trash on the track were sitting there going, "hey race is over and Derrick Cope isn't going to make it into the playoff system, lets throw our beercans."

Of course they aren't eating spaghettios for dinner ... thanks to endorsements. But you tell me how far, without those endorsements and sponsors, would a $150K purse go ... split between how many guys on the crew, the engine shop, the driver, the owner, cover costs, etc. If they're gonna make it a "play-offs" type sport like football, pay 'em football dollars! :shrug: Heck ... someone's gettin' fat bank off me buying tix for $400!

The point is that the purse is seconday window dressing, the real money is in sponsorship. Other than Rusty I have not seen anyone of them whining about their paydays and history shows that Rusty Wallace would complain about the TP not being soft enough in his motor home.

good for you ... so you're older than me and were listening to it when I was still wearing diapers.

Actually I have been a fan since I was 12 years old so that does give me a head start in years. Were you a fan at 12? 15? 20? If I were your age I would have 12 years as a die hard fan by now. How about you? Have you been a fan 12 years? Allan Kulwiki won the championship that year BTW, he edged Million dollar Bill by 10 pionts the last race of the season. (Although the #7 Hooters car only won 2 but Bill Elliot won 5) see Kenseths "fluky" season was not the first bay far.

I don't believe, based on what I've read,

enough said about your NASCAR expertise based on that staement alone.

that racing in the days of Petty are the same as they are today. Things are standardized today when they weren't back then. Personally, I think you see in Kyle Petty today, what you would have seen in Richard Petty then, had he raced IAW the rules/requirements of Nascar today.

That statement is so outlandish it doesn't even deserve a response other than to say that crap was dreamed up by a bunch of pie in the sky Ernhardt fans to make themselves feel as good. They had the same crap since 1972 when they went away from the "stock" chassis to the tubular manufactured chassis. They had standard size engines, tires, wheelbase, width, carburation. Like now some teams were better funded, and more tallented. To say that the "King" would have the same performance record as Kyle shows just how deep your knowledge of NASCAR goes. The man was very tallented and dominated superspeedways. He has the most wins at several of the same tracks they go to now.

Sure, I'd like to see more bangin' and bumpin' and real racing (like what you see at Bristol and like what we saw toward the end of the 'dega race) but Nascar won't allow too much of it any more. You can't cuss, you can't bump too hard, you can't do this, you can't do that, you can't pop some little punk in the mouth who just purposely shoved your car into the wall going 100+ mph.

NASCAR doesn't allow it at superspeedways because it is too dangerous. Earnhardt is a prime example of what can happen at 190 MPH (Did you watch that race BTW?) You want bumping and banging go to Martinsville or Bristol even Darlington. The chrome horn happens at intermediate and short tracks frequently but has no business at Atlanta, Taladega or Daytona. NASCAR should police rough driving, this is not T-Ball they are playing.

Well, they're the ones who are paying for seats. :shrug: I don't think they just up and one day decided to become a nascar fan. Obviously their dads, uncles, grandpops, etc. were into it and they grew up with it as well and grew to enjoy it. And so what if they look for an excuse to party. You think Busch Beer is sponsoring its series for the sole purpose of dumping cash into a money pit? :shrug: No, they do it for advertising ... to get peeps to drink Busch Beer. Just like Bud sponsors Jr. and Miller Lite sponsor Rusty ... and Smirnoff sponsors Kenseth ... they do it to get folks to consume their product, and that's what nascar fans are doing.

Yes I do think most of them just hopped on the band wagon a few years ago, you did. Busch most certainly dumps vast ammounts of cash down a moneypit, it is called the Busch series and it has NEVER made money. They do it for advertising and tax write offs. Take alook at the average Busch race purse since you are all up on that. You suppose it is cheaper to haul a car and a team to Texas than it is a Cup car and team?

Your theory that the drunks at races get drunk and act like asses becasue Busch, Bud, and Miller sponser cars is compelling. I cannot wat until a bunch of 50 year old fans find the Viagra trailer, strip nekid and sport boners around the grandstand because Viagra sponsors a car.

 

[Kizzy]

I'm having flashbacks of the NASCAR thread, for those that remember that one.

 

[Otter]

Thank gawd Im not a Mark Martin fan

 

[crabcake]

Originally posted by IM4Change
I'm having flashbacks of the NASCAR thread, for those that remember that one.

this won't become another "NASCAR thread" like that b/c I'll tell Pete to KMA before then ... in fact ... "Hey Pete ..."

Yes, I did just start watching it in the last 2-3 years ... I was never exposed to it before then. If that makes me a bandwagon fan, so what? :shrug: The only way you learn is by watching and reading, which is what I'm doing. If that, too, makes me a bandwagon fan ...

But just because you've been watching it longer (cause you're an old fart ) doesn't mean my opinion is wrong and yours is right. You thinking that just means your a stubborn azz.

 

[Pete]

Originally posted by tatercake
Pete you were right about everything. When I have hung with NASCAR for a few more years I will then be qualified to discuss it in depth. Until then I will just yeild to your superior insight and experience.

Thanks

 

[crabcake]

Originally posted by Pete
Thanks

oh, go grab the jergens and get it over with, will ya?