Tax the Churches

wxtornado

The Other White Meat
So my wife is watching Oprah yesterday, and I see her buddy Tom Cruise on there, you know, the guy who funds one of the most dangerous cults in our society. Anyway, we start discussing religion, and the subject of tax-exemption for churches comes up. Discuss. Why do churches have a tax-exemption status anyway? I will google this topic just to get educated on it.
 

Gwydion

New Member
Out of curiosity, why do you feel that Scientology is "one of the most dangerous cults in our society?"

Surely that is an exaggeration.
 

baileydog

I wanna be a SMIB
Tom Cruise sucks and churches claim their money all comes from donations. From some of the churches Ive seen, thats some good donations.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
Tom Cruise sucks and churches claim their money all comes from donations. From some of the churches Ive seen, thats some good donations.

They (churches as a whole) also have billions in dollars of investments, billions of dollars of real Estate, own entire companies etc etc..

And as far as I know, under the veil of religion, it's all bought, sold and invested tax free.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
So my wife is watching Oprah yesterday, and I see her buddy Tom Cruise on there, you know, the guy who funds one of the most dangerous cults in our society. Anyway, we start discussing religion, and the subject of tax-exemption for churches comes up. Discuss. Why do churches have a tax-exemption status anyway? I will google this topic just to get educated on it.
IMO, it is because of the charitable works they do. They provide a series of services that are invaluable to society. Since virtually every religion gets the status, and so many other charitable service also get it, it seems appropriate to me. Basically, there need either be this granted to churches, or nobody.
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
IMO, it is because of the charitable works they do. They provide a series of services that are invaluable to society. Since virtually every religion gets the status, and so many other charitable service also get it, it seems appropriate to me. Basically, there need either be this granted to churches, or nobody.

If there were true seperation of church and state, I would think that would mean no preferential treatment, and be treated just as any other business would be.

Microsoft does much more charitable work than probably 80% of the churches, should they be given a tax free status too?
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
If there were true seperation of church and state, I would think that would mean no preferential treatment, and be treated just as any other business would be.
No religion, nor lack thereof, is treated preferentially. That was the point of saying they ALL get tax-free status. Were they a business, they would be treated as such. Those religions that begin to act as a "for profit" business do risk losing their tax free status. For example, the constant talks about the churches that allow politicians to speak, or the LDS church about 20+ years ago and their "investments", etc. There are pretty strict guidelines.
Microsoft does much more charitable work than probably 80% of the churches, should they be given a tax free status too?
Well, those actions are given a tax free status. Deductions, just like the ones you take on your taxes. However, they're taxed on their profit-side.
 

blacklabman

Well-Known Member
All charitable organizatons that meet the tax code requirements are not taxed on donations. It has nothing to do with the so called "separation of church and state". However I do believe that all investment income should be taxed, whether acharitable organization or not.
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
All charitable organizatons that meet the tax code requirements are not taxed on donations. It has nothing to do with the so called "separation of church and state". However I do believe that all investment income should be taxed, whether acharitable organization or not.
Reasonable assertion.
 
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Bruzilla

Guest
Like most early American policies, the reason that churches are not taxed relates to actions taken by the English. The English government levied tarriffs and taxes on the Catholic and Protestant churches in order to try to get them to close up so the Anglican Church, the King's church, would be the only church left. Prohibiting the taxation of churches meant that American politicans would not be able to use taxation as a means to attack a church they didn't want around.
 

wxtornado

The Other White Meat
Out of curiosity, why do you feel that Scientology is "one of the most dangerous cults in our society?"

Surely that is an exaggeration.

Wow, I wouldn't even know where to start. Instead of rewriting it, try here, especially the part titled "The Harm it Does to a Person".
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
No religion, nor lack thereof, is treated preferentially. That was the point of saying they ALL get tax-free status. Were they a business, they would be treated as such. Those religions that begin to act as a "for profit" business do risk losing their tax free status. For example, the constant talks about the churches that allow politicians to speak, or the LDS church about 20+ years ago and their "investments", etc. There are pretty strict guidelines.Well, those actions are given a tax free status. Deductions, just like the ones you take on your taxes. However, they're taxed on their profit-side.

Why strike out against the LDS?? You seem to think none of the other churches has investments? Portfolios? Real Estate? Stock? Gold? Silver?
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
After watching so many tele-evangelists get rich on the backs of poor, unassuming viewers; and now watching the Rev. Wright hypocrisy (you know… that $10,000,000 home he’s having built for himself in a white neighborhood with two $50,000 cars waiting to be parked there?), I’m feeling that perhaps they should be taxed.

For a short time I was a member of a church down on the panhandle of FL; one of those charismatic churches that spoke in tongues and performed prophesy and all that. The pastor of that church preached endlessly about giving and “dig deep” when it came to the poor, :blahblah: . Then the pastor would leave in his (one of 4) Cadillac to his 4500 sq ft home. The guy was rolling the dough.

Every year this church would throw a “Jesus Celebration” concert. All sorts of local musicians would play. One year they had a band called David and the Giants. After they played, the pastor passed around the collection plate. People gave. Then The Giants played some more while they counted the money. The pastor had the nerve to get up on the stage and demand people give more and passed around the plates again.

I quit that church. I’m sorry to say this but churches have become a money-making racket. Not all of them, but a great many of them. The first thing I look for when I seek out a church is what kind of car the preacher is driving.

Yes, I have become more convinced that churches should be taxed.
 

ItalianScallion

Harley Rider
After watching so many tele-evangelists get rich on the backs of poor, unassuming viewers; and now watching the Rev. Wright hypocrisy (you know… that $10,000,000 home he’s having built for himself in a white neighborhood with two $50,000 cars waiting to be parked there?), I’m feeling that perhaps they should be taxed.

For a short time I was a member of a church down on the panhandle of FL; one of those charismatic churches that spoke in tongues and performed prophesy and all that. The pastor of that church preached endlessly about giving and “dig deep” when it came to the poor, :blahblah: . Then the pastor would leave in his (one of 4) Cadillac to his 4500 sq ft home. The guy was rolling the dough.

Every year this church would throw a “Jesus Celebration” concert. All sorts of local musicians would play. One year they had a band called David and the Giants. After they played, the pastor passed around the collection plate. People gave. Then The Giants played some more while they counted the money. The pastor had the nerve to get up on the stage and demand people give more and passed around the plates again.

I quit that church. I’m sorry to say this but churches have become a money-making racket. Not all of them, but a great many of them. The first thing I look for when I seek out a church is what kind of car the preacher is driving.

Yes, I have become more convinced that churches should be taxed.
True. Many, but not all, are going in that direction. They're mainly out for the "numbers" (membership). I've always said that, if I get to pastor a church again, the first thing I'd do is do away with it's tax exempt status so that I never have to fear "free speech". That's ironic isn't it?
 

This_person

Well-Known Member
Why strike out against the LDS?? You seem to think none of the other churches has investments? Portfolios? Real Estate? Stock? Gold? Silver?
I wasn't striking out against it, I brought it up because it was one of the churches in the news that almost lost (as a whole, not a local church) it's tax exempt status due to it's actions. It was a big deal in the news years ago, and I haven't heard of too many churches that were that close to losing their status on a national level.

If I knew of any others that big, I'd have brought that up, too. No attacks, just information.
 

PsyOps

Pixelated
True. Many, but not all, are going in that direction. They're mainly out for the "numbers" (membership). I've always said that, if I get to pastor a church again, the first thing I'd do is do away with it's tax exempt status so that I never have to fear "free speech". That's ironic isn't it?

You might have to elaborate on how being taxed equates to free speech (or restricting it).
 

Gwydion

New Member
Wow, I wouldn't even know where to start. Instead of rewriting it, try here, especially the part titled "The Harm it Does to a Person".

Haha, I am certain I could find a billion articles online about how each and every religion is damaging to an individual.

But certainly, claiming that scientology is one of the most dangerous cults in america is downright idiotic.

Neonazis
Crips
Bloods
Any other gang
That texan cult that was just discovered
 

wxtornado

The Other White Meat
Haha, I am certain I could find a billion articles online about how each and every religion is damaging to an individual.

But certainly, claiming that scientology is one of the most dangerous cults in america is downright idiotic.

Neonazis
Crips
Bloods
Any other gang
That texan cult that was just discovered

I see you haven't done your homework, and you are certainly entitled to your opinion. Oh, and not just one of the most dangerous cults in America, but in the world!
 
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