Ooohh. Scared the real person raising the children will hear what you are indoctrinating them with? It's about time you will be held accountable.
I agree, and it's up to teachers to teach those critical thinking skills, not opinion and conjecture. Also this will stop the rumor and innuendo in schools of "Oh, this teacher said (insert awful comment) in my class" when it didn't actually happen. Teachers should like this as a way of keeping track of what actually happened in a classroom.I can see Mr. Kay's point, but his point assumes that what he's afraid will disappear is something that schools ought to be doing. Yes, I understand that the dynamic may be different in localities where schools have become in loco parentis, but still..., schools need to refocus their priorities (that being learning stuff and thinking critically/logically about that stuff).
So while I do sympathize, fundamentally I disagree.
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You're discussing the motives behind his point; I was discussing his point itself when I mentioned abuse. That's why I said "take out the indoctrinated part."I think he's clear what he's worried about (see the highlighted text):
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He doesn't want involved parents knowing what he is telling their children about gender/sexuality.
Then he goes on to say that conservative parents are his chief concern.
He doesn't appear to be concerned about abuse at all, unless it's the abuse of having parents with traditional values who call men men and women women.
Actually we were discussing what he said. "Abuse" was not his words, that is your word based upon your personal conjecture, not the facts . He specifically stated his discussions included gender/sexuality and also mentioned his worries were conservative parents.You're discussing the motives behind his point; I was discussing his point itself when I mentioned abuse. That's why I said "take out the indoctrinated part."
I’m not sure you’re following what I’m trying to say.Actually we were discussing what he said. "Abuse" was not his words, that is your word based upon your personal conjecture, not the facts . He specifically stated his discussions included gender/sexuality and also mentioned his worries were conservative parents.
I meant nothing more than the kids having a safe space. With the abuser there, the safe space disappears.rmorse...that is a scenario where many teachers get into trouble. Many are NOT trained as counselors and they Definitely are kept in the dark regarding home issues (kept with the guidance counselors). Having a Chaplain or pastor might provide some sound instruction....I think Teachers are actually much better off keeping the professional distance instead of 'probing' into areas of vulnerability.
This reads like it was written by someone who doesn't have firsthand experience of childhood abuse.Teachers Openly Fret That Parents Might Hear Them Brainwashing Children, Call Parents ‘Dangerous’
Here’s the entire thread, which has since been set to private:
First, classrooms are certainly not “safe places” for children to be “vulnerable.” Students may say and do things when they are with their peers in school that they would not say and do at home, but only a fool who doesn’t understand the first thing about child psychology and the effects of peer pressure would assume that the child’s at-school version of himself is the most authentic, much less the most healthy. The pressure to conform to the values and opinions of your peers in the classroom is immense, and often suffocating. There is a reason why rejection and alienation by peers has contributed to a true epidemic of suicide among young people.
The very same people who extol the classroom as a “safe place” for vulnerability will also tell us, on different days and in different contexts, that bullying is a major problem for today’s youth and many of them are driven to self-destruction because of it. So, which is it? Is the classroom a place for open and genuine dialogue, where children can safely express their truest feelings and beliefs, or is it a place rife with bullying and mockery, where rigid conformity is demanded and those who fail to meet the demands are severely punished? It certainly can’t be both.
Second, an adult keeping a secret with a child, and helping the child conceal that secret from his parent — especially when the secret has anything to do with sexuality — is acting in a way that is nothing short of predatory. If you heard a strange man on the playground whisper to your child, “this will just be our little secret,” you would assume that the man is some kind of sex offender. Does this behavior suddenly transform from disturbing to admirable if the strange man is a teacher? No, it doesn’t. But this is the sort of license society has given to teachers, on the the theory that they cannot do the work of educating unless they have more power over, and intimate knowledge of, their students than the students’ own parents.
This reads like it was written by someone who doesn't have firsthand experience of childhood abuse.
With the abuser there, the safe space disappears.
Are you being serious right now?You want to start thread about child abuse and schools are ' safe zones ' feel free, that is NOT the topic of this thread, go bang your drum somewhere else ...... its tedious
DUH ...... there is no safe space if the abuser is there ....... did you think before you type that up Capt Obvious