Teacher's absence in St. Mary's Co?????

terbear1225

Well-Known Member
And they are great teachers. :clap:

Everyone knows that teachers get 2.5 months off every summer. Some elect to further their education while others take advantage of the free time to relax and play.

Doing the latter does not mean they won't stay in the profession very long at all as is documented to the contrary.
what I should have said was "those who "lounge" all summer are sometimes the ones that won't be in the profession much longer."
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
Substitutes can be retired teachers, SAH moms, grad students, and much more. Baja is assuming that substitutes are lazy, uneducated losers providing sub-par educations for children.
You are only partially correct in your ASSumption of what I am ASSuming...:lmao:

Teachers have a teaching plan usually laid out for the year. When they take off THAT much time in that short of a time span, it is very disruptive to the childs learning no matter how good the sub is.
 
You are only partially correct in your ASSumption of what I am ASSuming...:lmao:

Teachers have a teaching plan usually laid out for the year. When they take off THAT much time in that short of a time span, it is very disruptive to the childs learning no matter how good the sub is.
I completely agree with you, Baja.
 
I think there's a difference in whether the teacher was on scheduled leave or same-day sick leave, etc. If they are on a schedule day off they probably have to leave a lesson plan, etc. If not scheduled the school has to get a sub and then throw them into the room blind, sort of. And if not scheduled callouts become regular then I think it would compromise a kid's education.
 

drivingdaisy

New Member
Summers...

Some teachers work, some go to school, and some relax. Yes teachers receive a salary, but that salary is based on the fact that they don't work summers. If schools systems decided to switch to year round learning, I would imagine that teachers would have to be paid more. All teachers are required to do a certain amount of training/classes (by hour or credit depending on the state or system) in a certain time period to keep their license. This can be done after school or during the summer. Some teachers might chose to have longer days during the school year so they can enjoy the summer off. Not all colleges offer courses (that are part of earning an additional degree) that match up with a teacher's actual time off during the summer. Also there are lots of teachers who come in early in the summer to get their classroom set up. There are lots of teachers who work weekends or after school hours to have their lessons up to date. All that is in addition to meetings, conferences, etc. If you were to add up the extra hours it would be pretty close to the time off during the summer. That being said, I'm sure there are some teachers who do the very minimal and put almost no extra time in what so ever, but its unfair to lump all teachers in such a group.
 

Baja28

Obama destroyed America
you have a right to know that your child's teacher is qualified and is working up to the standards of the school and board of ed. you do not have the right to know what the teacher does on their time off, so long as they are not doing anything illegal. If the teacher has leave that has been approved by the school that is their personal business.
I don't see where she is trying to ascertain what they do on their time off. She ran into the teacher on a school day. She's noticed a pattern of absenteeism. She is inquiring why the teacher is out so often, not what she's doing while out.

Yes the teacher is entitled to her earned leave and the management has a fiduciary obligation to allow her to use her leave so it is not detrimental to a child's education.

I get 160 hours per year leave (and I work 12 months, not 9.5). My management would never allow me to take all 4 weeks at once. I have responsibilities to my job.
 
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Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
"Snitch" no, concerned parent I assume yes.

You must be part of the Union some how.

Your use of the word snitch shows your mental capacity. If concerned people did not expose Union workers abuses ie "Snitch" they could get away with more.

I hope someone "Snitches" on you someday, because the ones who do not like "Snitches" usually have something to hide.
I don't like unions and I'm not part of one either.

The right thing to do would have been to address the issue with the source to get facts straight BEFORE stomping off to the BOE. This teacher could have a very logical and honest reason for missing an excessive amount of days. Too often people circumvent the issue and try to be big and bad and go to someone's boss, not realizing their actions may have a severe impact on someone's future. Personally, I like to give people the option to correct something first.
 

drivingdaisy

New Member
I hope your attitude changes before your child gets into school. I most certainly would want to know all about my teachers when it comes to their work ethic and education.

For all you know, Charlie the janitor could be teaching your kid and you wouldn't have a clue since your attitude is "I don't have a right to know anything about who is teaching my child."
There are standards in place within each school system to insure that there is an academic level of quality of teachers (and in many places now, even substitutes). All substitutes and teachers are also required to go through fingerprinting and keep background checks up to date to help make sure that criminals are not working with the students. These standards are the beginning point of making sure your child is being educated in a fit manner. I don't understand how you would know about a teacher's work ethic or education. I doubt any administrator or BOE member is allowed to give you the results of teacher evaluations or even give very detailed information about the teacher's academic achievements, other that to tell you they are meeting the standards that are required.
 

Beta84

They're out to get us
Who said anything about getting a sub par education? Is the child passing? Is the child getting good grades?

My daughter has come across both good and bad teachers. At the end of the day, it's my daughter who has to decide how she wants to handle her schoolwork, study for tests, ask for extra credit, volunteer, etc. A teacher is there to assist.
Good grades don't mean anything if the class can't go through their entire curriculum. They also can't go "above and beyond" as you suggest if they don't have the whole curriculum. Missed days mean less curriculum covered, or same curriculum at a higher level. Either way that's bad news, even with good grades. Plus, younger students (elementary school) don't really know enough to go above and beyond like older students can.

Standardized tests are crap and grades are only a good gauge to see how a student is doing based on a curriculum, not comparing peers. Easier teachers = better grades, even if students with harder teachers and lower grades learned more. :shrug:

When I was in school I always got BS work from subs, so if my teachers missed ~1/6 of the school year that would be terrible. Students won't learn nearly enough that they should, good grades be damned.
 
I think people have a lot of unrealistic expectations about what they think they deserve or have the right to know about others. If she had concerns, they correct thing to do would be to say "Dear principal, I have been concerned about teacher's absences." The principal would know why the teacher was out and would know whether it was a problem or not. Whether the teacher is ice skating for fun or her days off or has a legitimate reason to be out might never be disclosed to the parent, but the principal could take action if necessary. Just because the principal doesn't give you someone's life information doesn't mean they haven't taken your concern seriously.

People especially think they deserve to know more about their teachers, than it seems other professions. People don't have more right to know about why a teacher is out, than any other profession. Maybe we should just shove GPS chips in them so we can know what they are doing at all times.

I don't know why the teacher is out, so I am not going to get crazy over it. Maybe she has a child who is sick. Maybe she is sick and has treatments she has to receive. In which case I can have a little compassion.

Also, just because there is a substitute doesn't mean that no learning is going on. That would depend on the teacher and the substitute.
This teacher has no children. I'm told that she has done this in years past. The principal was called first. But the principle retired in December and a Temp principle is running the school.
 

drivingdaisy

New Member
I don't see where she is trying to ascertain what they do on their time off. She ran into the teacher on a school day. She's noticed a pattern of absenteeism. She is inquiring why the teacher is out so often, not what she's doing while out.

Yes the teacher is entitled to her earned leave and the management has a fiduciary obligation to allow her to use her leave so it is not detrimental to a child's education.

I get 160 hours per year leave (and I work 12 months, not 9.5). My management would never allow me to take all 4 weeks at once. I have responsibilities to my job.
How is finding out why she is out any different than what she is doing? I don't understand what information would/could be given out by an administrator that would help clarify this.
 

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
When I was in school I always got BS work from subs, so if my teachers missed ~1/6 of the school year that would be terrible. Students won't learn nearly enough that they should, good grades be damned.
Yet, you still managed to be a productive, intelligent, hard working adult with a good career.
 

dave1959

Active Member
OOOOHHHH.... I will not get started on this subject. My kids are out of school
and I am so glad I do not have to deal with teachers anymore. IMHO...I won't say what I'm thinking because I know it will start a forum war..

But.....Give me a job where I work 9 months a year, get summers off, get off at 4pm during the week, no weekends .....sign me up....
 

Chasey_Lane

Salt Life
sorry, who's going to want to have be a substitute teacher, a part time job with little or no benefits, if they have a degree? Good luck with that.
Someone just wanting to supplement their income, someone who is considering being a teacher, someone with a full-time job already (evenings), who is bored during the day. There are lots of reasons why someone would take a job for little pay and no benefits.
 

drivingdaisy

New Member
sorry, who's going to want to have be a substitute teacher, a part time job with little or no benefits, if they have a degree? Good luck with that.
Former teachers who only want to work part time (might have a young child they want to be home with most days) or teachers looking for work (good way to get your foot in the door).
 

RoseRed

American Beauty
PREMO Member
sorry, who's going to want to have be a substitute teacher, a part time job with little or no benefits, if they have a degree? Good luck with that.
Someone that may not want to or has to have full time employment and wants to earn some extra money. :shrug:
 

itsbob

I bowl overhand
It's my business because my son's education is being compromised.
:yeahthat:

AND we are her boss.. she works for US..

I don't know the rules here, and I doubt they are the same or this wouldn't happen.

In PA if a substitute had to be called in the teacher either called or had the school call, and the substitute was paid out of the teachers pocket.

If a teacher here is missing that many days I'm assuming that's not the case.
 
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