Teen Boy Kissed Girl on a Dare. Now He Faces Assault Charges

[Ken King]

I'm just not with it in today's world I guess. It seems almost the default response to anything perceived as wrong in our schools:

Yep, and no I am not now nor have I anywhere in this thread been endorsing that type of response, it is the world we have today.

 

[Tilted]

On a side note: Isn't 'stick your tongue down their throat,' or variants of that basic sentiment, just an expression? I mean, when most people say something like - he stuck his tongue down my throat - don't they mean something like he stuck his tongue in my mouth or he used his tongue in kissing me? Basically referring to a (perhaps somewhat aggressive) french kiss? People don't usually actually mean stuck a tongue down a throat when they say stuck a tongue down a throat. How many people even have a tongue long enough to get it into someone else's throat? (Okay, Gene Simmons... whatever...)

Anyway, I've always taken that as an expression rather than a literal assertion.

 

[Tilted]

That is why I stated "If news reports are to be believed". That news report {linked above) states that it was the administrators that notified the officer. Haven't seen anywhere, yet, that the officer talked with the "victims" parents.

Yeah, I take notified to mean (or such that it could just mean) that they let the resource officer know about the situation. It may be the case that one wasn't already present, that they had to call them to notify them. That report doesn't seem to conflict with the reports I read.


EDIT: Oh, here's one of the reports I read indicating that the resource officer discussed the situation with a guardian (not sure if other reports indicated parent, but the point is the same): Md. teen charged with assault after kissing fellow middle school student on a dare

 

[This_person]

On a side note: Isn't 'stick your tongue down their throat,' or variants of that basic sentiment, just an expression? I mean, when most people say something like - he stuck his tongue down my throat - don't they mean something like he stuck his tongue in my mouth or he used his tongue in kissing me? Basically referring to a (perhaps somewhat aggressive) french kiss? People don't usually actually mean stuck a tongue down a throat when they say stuck a tongue down a throat. How many people even have a tongue long enough to get it into someone else's throat? (Okay, Gene Simmons... whatever...)

Anyway, I've always taken that as an expression rather than a literal assertion.

It is the aggression/violence involved that is implied and not asserted in any of the reports that my personal objection to the phrase is. It would be equally inaccurate to describe it as a peck, but in the other direction.

 

[Pete]

At the risk of being logical I wonder if the cop/school/system/parents did not actually over-do this. Could it be the 13 year old boy was a long time junior douche-nugget who was chronically in trouble and pushing the envelope further and further everyday? Could it be that he had already been afforded every type of disciplinary actions and still continued to infract so this leveling of charges was the last straw? Without being there we do not know. When did our "trust" as a society erode to the point that our initial instinct it to immediately question the tactics of the officials? We want that order, we need that order, yet we have the audacity to question the manner in which they provide it.

YOUR DAMN RIGHT HE FRENCHED THAT GIRL!

 

[This_person]

At the risk of being logical

Not allowed, this is a public forum full of opinions

I wonder if the cop/school/system/parents did not actually over-do this. Could it be the 13 year old boy was a long time junior douche-nugget who was chronically in trouble and pushing the envelope further and further everyday? Could it be that he had already been afforded every type of disciplinary actions and still continued to infract so this leveling of charges was the last straw?

Of course

Without being there we do not know. When did our "trust" as a society erode to the point that our initial instinct it to immediately question the tactics of the officials?

When the repeated tactics of officials has been, at best, suspect and often is outright insane. We've seen it over and again (recent examples provided previously in Psy's post).

We want that order, we need that order, yet we have the audacity to question the manner in which they provide it.

YOUR DAMN RIGHT HE FRENCHED THAT GIRL!

We want the truth!!! We're entitled to it.

 

[black dog]

I believe I said from the beginning that back in my day the girl would have slapped him and it would be all over.
Of course the usual turds climbed all over me and called me an idiot, but at this point in time it seems the general agreement is that it was a better time back then when people took care of their own small time problems and let police handle real crimes.

It has been fun watching this thread. The usual whiners whining and others trying to instill some common sense into them.

Yep.... I rank it right up there with being a dick on the commuter bus.

 

[PsyOps]

We want that order, we need that order, yet we have the audacity to question the manner in which they provide it.

I don't necessarily blame the police for how they handled it; I blame the school that they felt a need to call the police.

Again, it's obvious I'm out of touch with times today, but in my day cops were never called when there was kissing/touching/fondling, fights, profanity, etc... We were suspended and sent home for our parents to deal with. I guess I need to get used to parents not taking responsibility anymore. Our kids belong to the state.

 

[Pete]

I don't necessarily blame the police for how they handled it; I blame the school that they felt a need to call the police.

Again, it's obvious I'm out of touch with times today, but in my day cops were never called when there was kissing/touching/fondling, fights, profanity, etc... We were suspended and sent home for our parents to deal with. I guess I need to get used to parents not taking responsibility anymore. Our kids belong to the state.

Again we don't know the circumstance. Perhaps the principal has had Little Jimmy and his parents in his/her office 100 times for various infractions that have continued to escalate. It might be time to come to the not so remote conclusion that not all parents are parents the way you think parents should be. Now Jimmy has gone from flicking buggers on the world map to face raping a girl on the playground and the school had no other viable option. We just don't know.

 

[Midnightrider]

You obviously don’t know what ‘sarcasm’ and ‘metaphor’ are so I’ll say it simpler terms for you:

I am old-school and I will stand by that philosophy until I die. You are obvious of a newer more progressive school that more-closely relates to the younger generations.

Old-school/young whipper-snapper = sarcasm. I have no clue how old you are, but you come across as someone in their late 20s to early 30s.

Stick to my guns = metaphor for “holding to my philosophy”.

How’s that?

Being a parent, I will have it out with the school and the cops if they were to charge my child with assault over a stupid kiss.
And now you’re being dramatic… there is nowhere in the OP article, the WJLA article, or in Ken King’s article that indicates tongue was ever a factor in the so-called ‘kiss’. And comparing this to something adults might do is a fail. This is where you seem to not comprehend that there is a difference between the development and subsequent knowledge and behavior of adults and children.

You might want to read the articles if you are so out of touch with the case. Parents like you are exactly why the court system has to be involved. You think you know better despite you not knowing the facts

But what is 'progressive' about expecting a person to face the consequences of their actions?

At the risk of being logical I wonder if the cop/school/system/parents did not actually over-do this. Could it be the 13 year old boy was a long time junior douche-nugget who was chronically in trouble and pushing the envelope further and further everyday? Could it be that he had already been afforded every type of disciplinary actions and still continued to infract so this leveling of charges was the last straw? Without being there we do not know. When did our "trust" as a society erode to the point that our initial instinct it to immediately question the tactics of the officials? We want that order, we need that order, yet we have the audacity to question the manner in which they provide it.

YOUR DAMN RIGHT HE FRENCHED THAT GIRL!

Again we don't know the circumstance. Perhaps the principal has had Little Jimmy and his parents in his/her office 100 times for various infractions that have continued to escalate. It might be time to come to the not so remote conclusion that not all parents are parents the way you think parents should be. Now Jimmy has gone from flicking buggers on the world map to face raping a girl on the playground and the school had no other viable option. We just don't know.

The hell you say. There is no chance a police officer or school administrator acted reasonably. This is somebody's little snowflake, he didn't do nuffin wrong.

 

[Pete]

You might want to read the articles if you are so out of touch with the case. Parents like you are exactly why the court system has to be involved. You think you know better despite you not knowing the facts

But what is 'progressive' about expecting a person to face the consequences of their actions?




The hell you say. There is no chance a police officer or school administrator acted reasonably. This is somebody's little snowflake, he didn't do nuffin wrong.

It could be, for the lack of any evidence I have to defer to their on the scene assessment. That said due to the sheer number of window licking dumb assess in our population, it was inevitable that they start to seep into institutions and professions that hold a certain degree of public trust and #### it up through epically retarded lapses of common sense. Therefor I reluctantly yield initially to their judgment but withhold conclusive opinion until all info is put out.

 

[Midnightrider]

It could be, for the lack of any evidence I have to defer to their on the scene assessment. That said due to the sheer number of window licking dumb assess in our population, it was inevitable that they start to seep into institutions and professions that hold a certain degree of public trust and #### it up through epically retarded lapses of common sense. Therefor I reluctantly yield initially to their judgment but withhold conclusive opinion until all info is put out.

Yep, I went to school with a bunch of guys who became cops. Some great examples on both sides of the dumbass coin.

So I too reluctantly given them the benefit of the doubt and trust that the juvenile court judge reviews all the evidence and makes a just decision. If that doesn't happen i'll start thinking about getting outraged.

 

[PsyOps]

You might want to read the articles if you are so out of touch with the case. Parents like you are exactly why the court system has to be involved. You think you know better despite you not knowing the facts

But what is 'progressive' about expecting a person to face the consequences of their actions?

The school got the cops involved then turned the kid over to his parents. IN MY OPINION, which I know you disagree, the cops should have never been involved, AT ALL. It was a kiss, and this child is being charged with assault. It’s a pathetic waste of our police resources to call them in to arrest a CHILD over a kiss. It’s the progressive view that our government should stick their nose into every little issue in our society.

Hold the kid accountable by suspending him and turning him over to his parents to deal with the problem. But as I have mentioned a couple of times now, I need to get with this new generation of dealing with our kids’ problems. No need to really get the parents involved. Just call the cops. See a couple of kids scrapping at the park, call the cops. Johnny pulls Sally’s hair while walk home from school, call the cops. Mary smacks Billy on the butt, call the cops. You call me ‘dramatic’ for throwing these things out there… the standard is set and you support it… a boy kisses a girl and the cops should be involved. All these examples are examples of assault. You are on record as stating when a 13 year old commits an act of assault the cops should be called.

 

[Midnightrider]

The school got the cops involved then turned the kid over to his parents. IN MY OPINION, which I know you disagree, the cops should have never been involved, AT ALL. It was a kiss, and this child is being charged with assault. It’s a pathetic waste of our police resources to call them in to arrest a CHILD over a kiss. It’s the progressive view that our government should stick their nose into every little issue in our society.

Hold the kid accountable by suspending him and turning him over to his parents to deal with the problems. But as I have mentioned a couple of times now, I need to get with this new generation of dealing with our kids’ problems. No need to really get the parents involved. Just call the cops. See a couple of kids scrapping at the park, call the cops. Johnny pulls Sally’s hair while walk home from school, call the cops. Mary smacks Billy on the butt, call the cops. You call me ‘dramatic’ for throwing these things out there… the standard is set and you support it… a boy kisses a girl and the cops should be involved. All these examples are examples of assault. You are on record as stating when a 13 year old commits an act of assault the cops should be called.

Seriously dude, the drama.
The police being involved in no way relieves the parents of their rights or responsibilities. As I have said before, if a kid gets charged with a crime he should be in trouble with is parents too.

How do you think this should be handled if it were two adults in the work place? How about if I forcefully open mouth kiss you. I guess you think that would be a waste for the police too?

And before you go all 'adult v. Child', I am going to say 'criminal v. Juvenile court'.

 

[PsyOps]

Seriously dude, the drama.

Predictable.

As I said, you have set the standard... if a kiss is assault and the cops should be called, they should be called in ALL assault cases: hair pulling, butt kicking, slap fights, wrestling, spit balls...

 

[Midnightrider]

Predictable.

As I said, you have set the standard... if a kiss is assault and the cops should be called, they should be called in ALL assault cases: hair pulling, butt kicking, slap fights, wrestling, spit balls...

Right back at ya. Your drama is predictable, almost as predictable as you dodging the rest of my post.

 

[PsyOps]

Right back at ya. Your drama is predictable, almost as predictable as you dodging the rest of my post.

There's no sense going round-and-round. So I'm not dodging what's already been beat to death.

 

[Midnightrider]

There's no sense going round-and-round. So I'm not dodging what's already been beat to death.

Actually we didn't beat that/those question/s at all. I asked and you ignored :shrug:

 

[Ken King]

Predictable.

As I said, you have set the standard... if a kiss is assault and the cops should be called, they should be called in ALL assault cases: hair pulling, butt kicking, slap fights, wrestling, spit balls...

The standard has been set by law. Assault (more accurately battery, but it is common to lump assault and battery into just assault) is a physical act that results in harmful or offensive contact with another's person without that person's consent. So yes, hair pulling, butt kicking, slap fights, wrestling, spit balls all could result in charges being brought against the offender if the victim did not consent to the act.

Not saying it is correct, but it is the law and has been the law for quite a long time.

 

[BigBlue]

The school got the cops involved then turned the kid over to his parents. IN MY OPINION, which I know you disagree, the cops should have never been involved, AT ALL. It was a kiss, and this child is being charged with assault. It’s a pathetic waste of our police resources to call them in to arrest a CHILD over a kiss. It’s the progressive view that our government should stick their nose into every little issue in our society.

Hold the kid accountable by suspending him and turning him over to his parents to deal with the problem. But as I have mentioned a couple of times now, I need to get with this new generation of dealing with our kids’ problems. No need to really get the parents involved. Just call the cops. See a couple of kids scrapping at the park, call the cops. Johnny pulls Sally’s hair while walk home from school, call the cops. Mary smacks Billy on the butt, call the cops. You call me ‘dramatic’ for throwing these things out there… the standard is set and you support it… a boy kisses a girl and the cops should be involved. All these examples are examples of assault. You are on record as stating when a 13 year old commits an act of assault the cops should be called.

Look ,while I agree no need for cops and if you go back I never said there was but your drama and it must be my way or the highway attitude is BS.Go back to the Calvert county school that called the police on a little kid for eating his pop tart in the shape of a gun again it is the school over reacting .You seem to think a 13 year old doesn't know any better and I said it then and I'll say it now ..you're effing wrong,13 knows better now 5 or 6 year old hasn't a clue but girls who mature faster then guys sure as hell know and if they don't want it(the kiss) then they shouldn't have to put up with it .