The abortion pill

vraiblonde

vraiblonde

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Back in my day, sonny, they called it the "morning after" pill. I'm not sure why anyone would object to this unless you're just a crazy fundie zealot with control issues.

But I'm pro abortion anyway - I wish all Democrats would have them every single time they threaten to spawn. Which is funny because these people rant and rave about their "right to choose" but the second you applaud and encourage them they get all pissed off...

Can someone who is against the abortion pill explain to me why? I'm open to other opinions, I just can't think of any practical reason to oppose early termination tools.
 
Hijinx

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I don't really understand why they want to stop anyone from using the abortion pill.
Is it harmful ? Are women dying from using it?
I really do not understand the 6 week bill in Florida.

I am against abortion after the fifth month for any reason other than the life of the mother..
 
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HemiHauler

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Simple. Authoritarians gonna authoritate. It’s always about control. ALWAYS.

The only two dissents certainly create an interesting dynamic though.
 
WingsOfGold

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vraiblonde said:
Back in my day, sonny, they called it the "morning after" pill. I'm not sure why anyone would object to this unless you're just a crazy fundie zealot with control issues.

But I'm pro abortion anyway - I wish all Democrats would have them every single time they threaten to spawn. Which is funny because these people rant and rave about their "right to choose" but the second you applaud and encourage them they get all pissed off...

Can someone who is against the abortion pill explain to me why? I'm open to other opinions, I just can't think of any practical reason to oppose early termination tools.
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Call me 60% against, life does occur at conception unless one thinks it's a sunfish..
 
SamSpade

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I don’t get the opposition either. The ONLY reason I’d want it halted is if it was rushed through approval without being properly vetted. That, I don’t know anything about.

SOONER or later, we all have to recognize that SOME constraints on abortion are rational and reasonable. Most other nations in the world have reasonable restrictions and these are countries we all seem to think have good ideas. At least the left thinks so.

We HAVE to sit down and hammer out what is reasonable. The extremes won’t work and you can’t solve the problem by insisting one extreme is the only acceptable outcome. Outlawing all means of ending a pregnancy from the moment of conception is never going to work OR be reasonable. Allowing everything all the way to birth and beyond is barbaric.

FIND a middle ground.
 
Ken King

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SamSpade said:
I don’t get the opposition either. The ONLY reason I’d want it halted is if it was rushed through approval without being properly vetted. That, I don’t know anything about.

SOONER or later, we all have to recognize that SOME constraints on abortion are rational and reasonable. Most other nations in the world have reasonable restrictions and these are countries we all seem to think have good ideas. At least the left thinks so.

We HAVE to sit down and hammer out what is reasonable. The extremes won’t work and you can’t solve the problem by insisting one extreme is the only acceptable outcome. Outlawing all means of ending a pregnancy from the moment of conception is never going to work OR be reasonable. Allowing everything all the way to birth and beyond is barbaric.

FIND a middle ground.
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That's part of it. Along with violations of the APA where the FDA delayed responding to the initial petition for something like 16 years (APA requires response within 180 days). And then there were revisions to what the approval allowed for and how that runs contrary with the Comstock Act.

The decision is 67 pages so one can see for themself what the issues are - https://adfmedialegalfiles.blob.core.windows.net/files/AHM-MPI-Decision.pdf
 
Merlin99

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SamSpade said:
I don’t get the opposition either. The ONLY reason I’d want it halted is if it was rushed through approval without being properly vetted. That, I don’t know anything about.

SOONER or later, we all have to recognize that SOME constraints on abortion are rational and reasonable. Most other nations in the world have reasonable restrictions and these are countries we all seem to think have good ideas. At least the left thinks so.

We HAVE to sit down and hammer out what is reasonable. The extremes won’t work and you can’t solve the problem by insisting one extreme is the only acceptable outcome. Outlawing all means of ending a pregnancy from the moment of conception is never going to work OR be reasonable. Allowing everything all the way to birth and beyond is barbaric.

FIND a middle ground.
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At this point after two decades it’s been vetted by the public. Aspirin has had less vetting, would you take it off the market?
 
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You know, if Democrat women weren't such drugged out sluts they could use modern birth control methods. Then abortion would be *ahem* safe, rare, and legal. As it stands apparently most of the time they don't even realize they're pregnant until they go to take a sh*t and kid plops out - at least that's what the Democrats are saying as the reason they need abortion until right before the baby is due to be born, and maybe a few weeks grace period after that.
 
Ken King

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Merlin99 said:
At this point after two decades it’s been vetted by the public. Aspirin has had less vetting, would you take it off the market?
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Vetted by whom? The FDA stonewalled for 14 years the first petition filed.
Decision said:
That same day, FDA approved several changes to the chemical abortion drug regimen, including the removal of post-approval safety restrictions for pregnant women and girls. FDA increased the maximum gestational age from seven-weeks gestation to ten-weeks gestation. And FDA also: (1) changed the dosage for chemical abortion; (2) reduced the number of required in-person office visits from three to one; (3) allowed non-doctors to prescribe and administer chemical abortions; and (4) eliminated the requirement for prescribers to report non-fatal adverse events from chemical abortion.
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This approval wasn't after any serious vetting, matter of fact the FDA had significant issues with the regimen initially and then all of a sudden it was approved using "Subpart H, commonly known as “accelerated approval” (implemented for the AIDS epidemic). Subpart H accelerates approval of drugs “that have been studied for their safety and effectiveness in treating serious or life-threatening illnesses and that provide meaningful therapeutic benefit to patients over existing treatments". Last I heard your typical pregnancy isn't an illness of any means.
 
vraiblonde

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SamSpade said:
I don’t get the opposition either. The ONLY reason I’d want it halted is if it was rushed through approval without being properly vetted.
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Caveat emptor 🤷‍♀️

I feel like that about fentanyl etc as well. Nobody forces these people to do anything, they do it voluntarily. I've managed to get through my whole entire life - almost 60 years!! - without a single pinch of heroin, or fentanyl or oxy or any of these other drugs that will kill you dead. Nor have I ever had an abortion or taken a pregnancy terminator drug.

I feel like if I can do it, anyone can - it's not like I'm special and hogged all the brains, didn't leave any for anyone else. So that said, if people choose to do these things and end up dead, that would be a choice they made.
 
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vraiblonde said:
You know, if Democrat women weren't such drugged out sluts they could use modern birth control methods. Then abortion would be *ahem* safe, rare, and legal. As it stands apparently most of the time they don't even realize they're pregnant until they go to take a sh*t and kid plops out - at least that's what the Democrats are saying as the reason they need abortion until right before the baby is due to be born, and maybe a few weeks grace period after that.
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Democrats must believe the show, I didn't know I was pregnant.
 
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herb749

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Got to love the media headlines, SCOTUS rules on Abortion. Left out the word PILL.

People see that headline and believe abortion is back.
 
SamSpade

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vraiblonde said:
I feel like that about fentanyl etc as well. Nobody forces these people to do anything, they do it voluntarily.
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I don't know the stats - what proportions - but I am hearing that many fentanyl deaths are entirely involuntary. And I don't mean like, they thought they were getting cocaine or heroin but ended up with a dose of fentanyl - I mean otherwise innocently getting it in them because the damned crap is so unbelievably toxic.
 
SamSpade

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herb749 said:
Got to love the media headlines, SCOTUS rules on Abortion. Left out the word PILL.

People see that headline and believe abortion is back.
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My BS meter has grown extremely precise over the years. You can bet on ANY issue where people's EMOTIONS are triggered, it WILL be reported in a way to stir a reaction. And some news WILL be reported while others are ignored.
 
PeoplesElbow

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herb749 said:
Democrats must believe the show, I didn't know I was pregnant.
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I know a couple women it happened to, they were older so missed periods were thought of as simply menopause, they were both also fairly big ladies. One of a high school friends mom was one of them, she had him in her mid 30s so little brother came along when she was pushing 50.

The other one was an ex's mom, she was probably about 45 at the time and also thought she was going into menopause and already a grandmother.
 
Monello

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I'd let each state choose if they wanted to allow abortions or not.

BUT....

If a state chose abortion as a means to terminate an unwanted pregnancy, then that state would HAVE to allow capital punishment for certain crimes. And no 25+ years of appeals. 2 quick appeals then off with yer head.

Killing a cop, harming a child, commit a felony with an illegal firearm, premeditated murder, would all be terminal offenses. I would refer to this as the years after solution.
 
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