The Borking of Condoleezza

[Lenny]

Been sitting here listening to C-Span rebroadcast of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee "hearings" on Condoleezza Rice to determine whether she should be the next Secretary of State. The "Borking" by Biden, Boxer, Kerry, and (to a lesser extent) Obama really gets my blood pressure up. Even the Saturday Night Live crucifixion of Boxer didn't do justice the PMS-driven rape Barbara did on Condoleezza.

 

[Ken King]

Just more sour grapes since her party hasn't had anyone up for conformation in quite some time now.

 

[SmallTown]

I never really understood these hearings. I mean, no matter how bad the grilling is, republicans will RARELY (if ever, not sure how history has gone) nomimate a "democrat leaning" candidate, and democrats will rarely nominate a republican leaning person so why even bother? If the dems really think condi is so bad, just let her in. If she is really bad, it simply reflects poorly on Bush and his poor decision making. You would think this is what the dems would WANT to do

 

[Railroad]

I never really understood these hearings. I mean, no matter how bad the grilling is, republicans will RARELY (if ever, not sure how history has gone) nomimate a "democrat leaning" candidate, and democrats will rarely nominate a republican leaning person so why even bother? If the dems really think condi is so bad, just let her in. If she is really bad, it simply reflects poorly on Bush and his poor decision making. You would think this is what the dems would WANT to do

I'm with ya there - but I got the sense that the question-askers and the bashers were using the hearing as an occasion to show off; either that or they truly are in love with the sounds of their own voices. So Boxer (how fitting that her name should be shared with a breed of dog!) was airing her Democrat view on things while simultaneously insulting Dr. Rice. I found myself listening to all of the questions, not just hers, with the thought, "Are you making a speech, or is there a question in there someplace?"

 

[Bruzilla]

So you would think, but the lesser-minded Dems (like Boxer, Conyer and Pilosi) can't see that. They are like little attack dogs... trained to bite rather than reason. We have them on the Republican side too, but I think we do a better job of muzzling them when the need arises. Boxer also knows that by attacking Rice she'll get her mug on the evening news and Dems around the country will fawn for her, which to her probably far outweighs the damage she's doing to the country.

 

[itsbob]

So you would think, but the lesser-minded Dems (like Boxer, Conyer and Pilosi) can't see that. They are like little attack dogs... trained to bite rather than reason. We have them on the Republican side too, but I think we do a better job of muzzling them when the need arises. Boxer also knows that by attacking Rice she'll get her mug on the evening news and Dems around the country will fawn for her, which to her probably far outweighs the damage she's doing to the country.

I think the Dems ticket in 2008 should be Boxer/Kerry.. those two idiots will insure that Jeb is the next president.. BUT what will it be? Rudy/Jeb, or Jeb/Rudy.. or lets REALLY piss off the Demoncrats.. and have a black REPUBLICAN run for president..

Kerry showed his true colors and his aomunt of caring for his constituents by not relinquishing his Senate seat while running for president.. for all intent and purpose, Massachusetts was left without a Senator for over a year.. probably closer to two years, and of course we kept right on paying him the whole time..

Boxer is a mental case, and the voters REALLY need to look at who they are electing.. it's like the person you elect is a direct reflection of the kind of people you are..

 

[Bruzilla]

My favorite Boxer moment came when she was on the floor of the Senate during the debate on Hillarycare. She said that it is women who should raise their kids, it is women who should take their kids to the doctor, so it only makes sense that a woman should design the healthcare system. If a man had said those remarks, that women are all stay-at-home moms, he would have been ripped to shreds by the press. But because Boxer makes a sexist staement, it was ok.

 

[Penn]

My favorite Boxer moment came when she was on the floor of the Senate during the debate on Hillarycare. She said that it is women who should raise their kids, it is women who should take their kids to the doctor, so it only makes sense that a woman should design the healthcare system. If a man had said those remarks, that women are all stay-at-home moms, he would have been ripped to shreds by the press. But because Boxer makes a sexist staement, it was ok.

I have to agree with about all that's been posted here. Another point, maybe, is that it's the Democrats who you mostly hear talking/moaning how divided this country of ours really is. Does anyone seriously believe the questions and discourse offered by Boxer/Kerry/Biden and others, will cement it together?

Our European "friends" across the Atlantic saw these hearings via CNN, I'm sure; I wonder what their take was from watching this Advise and Consent role of the Senate?

 

[Bruzilla]

There really is no equal divide in this country. All of the hogwash about an equal divide is based on polls and the outcome of elections where, on average, only about 30% of the country votes. What about the other 70%? Where do they stand? I don't think you'll find them siding with the Democrats on too many issues.

For example, I know a lot of Blacks who can't stand welfare and despise the way they are categorized with the dead beats in the cities... most of who vote Democrat.

Change the term "Pro Choice" to "Pro Abortion" and you'll see the numbers for the Left decline precipitously.

Where was all the hard-core support for re-enacting the Assault Weapons Ban? That POS died quieter than a 90-year old hobo on a freight out of Kansas City, and during an election year at that!

Gay Marriage? Talk about your new political Third Rail.

Social Security Reform? I think that if Bush continues the debate, and I hope he does, that younger Americans will wake up to the fact that they're going to get screwed in order to keep older voters happy. Hopefully when that happens the politicians will learn a new fact: Young People Vote!

If there really were a 50/50 split, you would see the Left very agressivley campaigning for gay marriage, abortion on demand, gun bans, etc. Instead the Left is in a purely defensive posture on abortion, gay marriage is dead, and buried next to the Gays are the gun banners.

In four short years, Bush and the Republicans have taken on some of the toughest nuts to crack in the US - Healthcare, Terrorism, and Education. Now they're going after social security. While the Dems talk, the Republicans do. They may not do the right things or the best things, but at least they're geting the ball rolling instead of standing around talking about the ball, and I think that way more than 50% of Americans see that - which is why the Dems are being so quiet these days.

 

[SmallTown]

Change the term "Pro Choice" to "Pro Abortion" and you'll see the numbers for the Left decline precipitously.

Gee, that's like saying change pro-gun to pro-kill

If there really were a 50/50 split, you would see the Left very agressivley campaigning for gay marriage, abortion on demand, gun bans, etc. Instead the Left is in a purely defensive posture on abortion, gay marriage is dead, and buried next to the Gays are the gun banners.

See, this is exactly why I feel people on the right are messed up. The reasons they don't campaign on those items is this:
1) They don't promote gay marriage, they simply don't feel an amendment is necessary to ban this
2) They are not for abortion on demand. They are for the option if it is deemed "necessary"

They aren't taking away anything from anyone, they are preventing that from the right. The only issue where they try to take away is with gun control, and wow, the right is always on the defensive about that. So I think even Bru can understand that people are on the defensively mainly when government is trying to take things away.

 

[Railroad]

If there really were a 50/50 split, you would see the Left very agressivley campaigning for gay marriage, abortion on demand, gun bans, etc. Instead the Left is in a purely defensive posture on abortion, gay marriage is dead, and buried next to the Gays are the gun banners.

In four short years, Bush and the Republicans have taken on some of the toughest nuts to crack in the US - Healthcare, Terrorism, and Education. Now they're going after social security. While the Dems talk, the Republicans do. They may not do the right things or the best things, but at least they're geting the ball rolling instead of standing around talking about the ball, and I think that way more than 50% of Americans see that - which is why the Dems are being so quiet these days.

All good points. I would say, though, that the Dimocrites aren't being all THAT quiet. I just resigned from a forum after some years, because the Dims there are foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Republican. It scares me to think that there are adults out there who can be that irrational and still be considered sane.

 

[SmallTown]

because the Dims there are foaming-at-the-mouth anti-Republican. It scares me to think that there are adults out there who can be that irrational and still be considered sane.

I dunno. I'm still waiting for Bru's explanation of how the Dems are the reason the steelers lost this weekend

 

[Railroad]

I dunno. I'm still waiting for Bru's explanation of how the Dems are the reason the steelers lost this weekend

He'll probably tell you it's because Pittsburg is full of them!

 

[Bruzilla]

See, this is exactly why I feel people on the right are messed up. The reasons they don't campaign on those items is this:
1) They don't promote gay marriage, they simply don't feel an amendment is necessary to ban this
2) They are not for abortion on demand. They are for the option if it is deemed "necessary"

They aren't taking away anything from anyone, they are preventing that from the right. The only issue where they try to take away is with gun control, and wow, the right is always on the defensive about that. So I think even Bru can understand that people are on the defensively mainly when government is trying to take things away.

You're spinning Smalltown.

Democrats don't promote Gay marriage? Let's see... how many right-leaning, Republican, Gay organizations are there? A man with no hands could count them using all his fingers. Yes, Democrats as a whole may not all support Gay marriage, but most all Gays, especially the ones who support Gay marriage, are Democrats.

"They are not for abortion on demand. They are for the option if it is deemed necessary". C'mon now... how can you be against any type of limits on abortion, but not be for abortion on demand? Putting that aside, how many Republican groups do you see out there calling for making all forms of abortion legal? I'm pro-abortion and even I think that partial birth abortion is outright murder under another name, and often for the convenience of the mother. Sorry, but the Dems lost any right to claim they are not for abortion on demand when they championed PBA and the abortion pill.

The reason they don't campaign on these issues is they know that they'll be in for another Reagan azzwhipping if they do. Like Dennis Miller said, "Mondale won one state in that election, which was only one more than I got and I didn't even run. He spent millions on the election and I almost tied him."

Lastly, what rights has the Right been trying to take away? There is no right to marriage. There is no right to abortion. However I do seem to remember that I have a right to keep and bear arms and that the Congress may enact no law impeding the free practice of religion - two rights that the Democrats are vigorously trying to do away with.

And Railroad - yeah, there are some bomb throwers out there on the Left, but there's not much organized opposition. I think the last elections were a wake-up call for many out there. I think they had it in their minds that most people think like them, and they found out they don't. They're going to talk about this alledged 50% split only because they need something to keep their spirits up.

 

[Railroad]

You're spinning Smalltown.

A man with no hands could count them using all his fingers.

And Railroad - yeah, there are some bomb throwers out there on the Left, but there's not much organized opposition. I think the last elections were a wake-up call for many out there. I think they had it in their minds that most people think like them, and they found out they don't. They're going to talk about this alledged 50% split only because they need something to keep their spirits up.

YOU, sir, had me spewing coffee on the monitor with that one! Clean up on desk 5!

I think you're right about the surprise handed the Dimocrites.