The crap I listened to this morning on talk radio...

[FromTexas]

Chris Lapetina (Dem strategist) was going on about how people just aren't allowed to find out about the real Hillary. Such as how she grew up a Republican in a very conservative family and she still carries those values today. Or, how she has always been such a moderate...

According to him, we have been fooled this whole time by what everyone says about her.

 

[Railroad]

No matter how a Chameleon changes color to survive, it still crawls on its belly like a reptile and has a forked tongue.

 

[Bruzilla]

If all that is true, then the people who are really the fools are the Democrats, as they support her far more than any Republicans I know. So is he really saying that Democrats actually support Republican points of view, provided the right person is spouting them? I wonder if he would like to go on the record by saying that Hillary is playing all of the Democrats as saps.... but I doubt it.

 

[FromTexas]

You're going to be oweing Larry a dollar.

The "transformation" they are undertaking with her at this point can only be for one real purpose.

 

[Bruzilla]

You're going to be oweing Larry a dollar.

The "transformation" they are undertaking with her at this point can only be for one real purpose.

Ah... the dollar that Larry is going to be mailing me (provided Vrai doesn't lift it out of his wallet) will be based not on the 2008 Presidential election, but on the 2006 Senate election. If Hillary doesn't win in 2006, she's toast.

Based on the conventional wisdom I've been hearing lately, I'm thinking more and more that Guliani is going to challenge her in 2006. I think the political winds are showing pretty well that he can't get the 2008 Presidential nod, so the smart move for him would be to finish what he started and bag Hillary.

 

[Railroad]

Ah... the dollar that Larry is going to be mailing me (provided Vrai doesn't lift it out of his wallet) will be based not on the 2008 Presidential election, but on the 2006 Senate election. If Hillary doesn't win in 2006, she's toast.

Based on the conventional wisdom I've been hearing lately, I'm thinking more and more that Guliani is going to challenge her in 2006. I think the political winds are showing pretty well that he can't get the 2008 Presidential nod, so the smart move for him would be to finish what he started and bag Hillary.

Based on that, I'd move to New York just so I could vote for him, then move back!

 

[Gooseneck]

Based on that, I'd move to New York just so I could vote for him, then move back!

You could take the train!

 

[rraley]

Based on the conventional wisdom I've been hearing lately, I'm thinking more and more that Guliani is going to challenge her in 2006. I think the political winds are showing pretty well that he can't get the 2008 Presidential nod, so the smart move for him would be to finish what he started and bag Hillary.

Bru, both Governor Pataki and Mayor Guiliani have said that they will not run for the Senate in 2006. Guiliani was recruited for months and months by the New York GOP, but he declined. Meanwhile, the best that the NY GOP can do is recruit a Nixon son-in-law to run. All this while Senator Clinton's job approval is in the 60s from both Democrats and Republicans. She's a shoo in for reelection in 2006.

 

[Tonio]

I have never liked Hillary because of her personality. She believes only in herself and how much power she can have. Dangerous traits in any politician, no matter what his or her political stances are.

Did you see this? I never thought I would hear Hillary described as not liberal enough for the Democrats.

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2005/07/26/AR2005072601645.html

Sen. Hillary Rodham Clinton's call for an ideological cease-fire in the Democratic Party drew an angry reaction yesterday from liberal bloggers and others on the left, who accused her of siding with the centrist Democratic Leadership Council (DLC) in a long-running dispute over the future of the party.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Left or Right you are all wrong. Come, join me in the middle!

 

[ylexot]

Left or Right you are all wrong. Come, join me in the middle!

Define the middle. I don't agree with everything on the right. Does that put me in the middle? I'd be willing to bet that the majority of people (including on here and many politicians as well) do not agree with everything on either side.

 

[Tonio]

Left or Right you are all wrong. Come, join me in the middle!

I've been in the middle for years. My views are somewhat conservative on fiscal issues and somewhat liberal on social issues. With both types of issues, I tend to follow the principle of limiting governmental involvement.

 

[Bustem' Down]

Just a little humor. I find most people in the middle actually. Left or right exclusivly is so closed minded.

 

[Bruzilla]

To me the middle is primarily composed of people from both the Right and Left who think that they are somehow fooling people into thinking they are independent thinkers when they really aren't. If there were really as many true Independents as there are those who claim to be, a third-party centrist would win every election. People claiming to be in 'The Middle" are like people who say "I support the troops but I don't support the war." It's just a means of fooling oneself into seeing themselves in a more acceptable light.

rraley... I've also heard that neither of those dorks has any plans to run for president, despite the fact that they both have exploratory committees working on their behalf and with their approval. My predicition is that Guliani is going to be shown he has no hope for 2008, and then he'll shoot for Hillary's job in 2006.

 

[vraiblonde]

I never thought I would hear Hillary described as not liberal enough for the Democrats.

Here's the problem with these psychos: The second any Democrat starts to act like they have some sense, the MOVEON crowd starts calling them whores and sell-outs and other unsavory names. So here goes poor Hillary, stuck between a rock and a hard place. Of course some will vote for her if she's nominated no matter WHAT she says, simply because she has that D after her name. But they won't come out for her in droves like they did for Howard Dean.

She must appeal to the nutties in order to get their support, but there's not enough of them to elect her. And she has to pretend to be moderate to broaden her base, but that will alienate the nutties.

She should have thought of this when she was busy polarizing the political parties and talking about vast right-wing conspiracies. Not much foresight, eh?

 

[vraiblonde]

I find most people in the middle actually.

I don't consider myself in the middle - I am one of the more extreme black-and-white people I know and I am a staunch Republican. Occasionally I have extreme opinions that happen to coincide with the lib nutballs (like gay marriage) but I don't pretend to be a centrist or moderate. To me, those terms are used to describe people who can see both sides of an issue, and that person is NOT me. My views are well-honed over the years and very clear in my mind.

 

[Bruzilla]

So here goes poor Hillary, stuck between a rock and a hard place. Of course some will vote for her if she's nominated no matter WHAT she says, simply because she has that D after her name. But they won't come out for her in droves like they did for Howard Dean.

I have to respectfully disagree with your assessment. There were never any large number of voters supporting Dean. It just seemed that way because the media over-emphasized the support that he had, which was why so many newsies were shocked when aftre thinking Dean had a lock on things it turned out hardly anyone was voting for him. I see the exact same deal going on with Hillary. Small numbers of Democrats are talking her up, and the media is magnifying that small sound into an artificial roar.

What's interesteting to hear is how the press will talk to excess about how the good people of these United States are tired of the divisiveness of Washington politics, but then state without question that many Democrats would vote for Clinton, probably the most divisive candidate imaginable.

I think that Hillary Clinton is poised to follow the exact same road as Howard Dean. She'll get a lot of support (if she runs) from a small but highly vocal minority, which will get hugely amplified in the media, and then voters will go out and pick someone like Evan Bayh. I just hope that Hillary has a good Dean Scream moment that the media can blame her fall on... IF she runs.

 

[Larry Gude]

Need some help with a list...

...of things I can buy with a dollar.

2 liter diet coke.
Sunday paper.
2 cans of peaches
???

Anyone?

 

[Pete]

On my drive south I turned on AirAmerica on XM and listened to Randi Rhodes. that lasted about 30 minutes and as soon as I pulled over and hurled I felt better. what a bunch of whack jobs.

 

[SamSpade]

I think that Hillary Clinton is poised to follow the exact same road as Howard Dean. She'll get a lot of support (if she runs) from a small but highly vocal minority, which will get hugely amplified in the media, and then voters will go out and pick someone like Evan Bayh.

Evan is a Dem I could easily vote for, especially if I'm not extremely keen on the Republican candidate. He came up in conversation with my Dad this weekend - he said there was at least ONE Democrat he thought he could vote for - my mom said Warner - I said Bayh, and that's who he meant. He said he also liked Evan's father.

I don't remember his dad that much; I have misattributed to him a quote which I found later came from Dick Tuck for a state Senate seat - "The voters have spoken; the bastards". Although spoken in 1964, it still appears to describe the sentiment the Democrats have towards voters - they're too stupid to know who they SHOULD be voting for.