The "George Floyd riots"

vraiblonde

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My response was to having a sequel to Kent State......Remember, 9 unarmed students shot with 4 dead. Neil Young wrote a folk song for it..
Reading is Fundamental Herbert.....

Ah yes, that great historian Neil Young.

They were not unarmed or peaceful and I hate pop culture fake history. They started throwing rocks and stuff at the cops, and that's what started that particular violence. Prior to that the students had been wilding in the town, busting windows and looting. They set buildings on fire, then attacked the firemen when they came to put them out.

The Yippees were also on campus as invited speakers - AntiFas grandfathers - telling students to kill their parents and rabble rousing in general. There was a lot more to it than Neil Young's stupid song.

And now you were dumb and made me break my brand new pledge, you ahole. :smack: I wish you people wouldn't talk out your ass, then people like me wouldn't have to come in and correct you.
 

black dog

Free America
Ah yes, that great historian Neil Young.

They were not unarmed or peaceful and I hate pop culture fake history. They started throwing rocks and stuff at the cops, and that's what started that particular violence. Prior to that the students had been wilding in the town, busting windows and looting. They set buildings on fire, then attacked the firemen when they came to put them out.

The Yippees were also on campus as invited speakers - AntiFas grandfathers - telling students to kill their parents and rabble rousing in general. There was a lot more to it than Neil Young's stupid song.

And now you were dumb and made me break my brand new pledge, you ahole. :smack: I wish you people wouldn't talk out your ass, then people like me wouldn't have to come in and correct you.


You're always right, except when you are wrong.... It matters not what happened in the days and minutes prier to the murders.
One with a college education should know that. But that doesn't fit your narrative.
Go and talk dirty to your man, he must like alot, you do it often enough..


Just before noon, the Guard returned and again ordered the crowd to disperse. When most of the crowd refused, the Guard used tear gas. Because of wind, the tear gas had little effect in dispersing the crowd, and some launched a second volley of rocks toward the Guard's line and chanted "Pigs off campus!" The students lobbed the tear gas canisters back at the National Guardsmen, who wore gas masks.

When it became clear that the crowd was not going to disperse, a group of 77 National Guard troops from A Company and Troop G, with bayonets fixed on their M1 Garand rifles, began to advance upon the hundreds of protesters. As the guardsmen advanced, the protesters retreated up and over Blanket Hill, heading out of the Commons area. Once over the hill, the students, in a loose group, moved northeast along the front of Taylor Hall, with some continuing toward a parking lot in front of Prentice Hall (slightly northeast of and perpendicular to Taylor Hall). The guardsmen pursued the protesters over the hill, but rather than veering left as the protesters had, they continued straight, heading toward an athletic practice field enclosed by a chain link fence. Here they remained for about 10 minutes, unsure of how to get out of the area short of retracing their path: they had boxed themselves into a fenced-in corner. During this time, the bulk of the students congregated to the left and front of the guardsmen, approximately 150 to 225 ft (46 to 69 m) away, on the veranda of Taylor Hall. Others were scattered between Taylor Hall and the Prentice Hall parking lot, while still others were standing in the parking lot, or dispersing through the lot as they had been previously ordered.

While on the practice field, the guardsmen generally faced the parking lot, which was about 100 yards (91 m) away. At one point, some of them knelt and aimed their weapons toward the parking lot, then stood up again. At one point the guardsmen formed a loose huddle and appeared to be talking to one another. They had cleared the protesters from the Commons area, and many students had left, but some stayed and were still angrily confronting the soldiers, some throwing rocks and tear gas canisters. About 10 minutes later, the guardsmen began to retrace their steps back up the hill toward the Commons area. Some of the students on the Taylor Hall veranda began to move slowly toward the soldiers as they passed over the top of the hill and headed back into the Commons.


Map of the shootings
During their climb back to Blanket Hill, several guardsmen stopped and half-turned to keep their eyes on the students in the Prentice Hall parking lot. At 12:24 p.m.,[30] according to eyewitnesses, a sergeant named Myron Pryor turned and began firing at the crowd of students with his .45 pistol.[31] A number of guardsmen nearest the students also turned and fired their rifles at the students. In all, at least 29 of the 77 guardsmen claimed to have fired their weapons, using an estimate of 67 rounds of ammunition. The shooting was determined to have lasted 13 seconds, although John Kifner reported in The New York Times that "it appeared to go on, as a solid volley, for perhaps a full minute or a little longer."[32] The question of why the shots were fired remains widely debated.

The adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard told reporters that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen, which remains a debated allegation. Many guardsmen later testified that they were in fear for their lives, which was questioned partly because of the distance between them and the students killed or wounded. Time magazine later concluded that "triggers were not pulled accidentally at Kent State." The President's Commission on Campus Unrest avoided probing the question of why the shootings happened. Instead, it harshly criticized both the protesters and the Guardsmen, but it concluded that "the indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable."[34]

They must have had Mannings Brothers arms tossing rocks that far...
Of those wounded, none was closer than 71 feet (22 m) to the guardsmen. Of those killed, the nearest (Miller) was 265 feet (81 m) away, and their average distance from the guardsmen was 345 feet (105 m).

  • Jeffrey Glenn Miller; 265 ft (81 m) shot through the mouth; killed instantly.
  • Allison B. Krause; 343 ft (105 m) fatal left chest wound; dead on arrival.
  • William Knox Schroeder; 382 ft (116 m) fatal chest wound; died almost an hour later in a local hospital while undergoing surgery. He was a member of the campus ROTC battalion.
  • Sandra Lee Scheuer; 390 ft (120 m) fatal neck wound; died a few minutes later from loss of blood.
Wounded (and approximate distance from the National Guard):

  • Joseph Lewis, Jr.; 71 ft (22 m); hit twice; once in his right abdomen and once in his lower left leg.
  • John R. Cleary; 110 ft (34 m); upper left chest wound.
  • Thomas Mark Grace; 225 ft (69 m); hit in his left ankle.
  • Alan Michael Canfora; 225 ft (69 m); hit in his right wrist.
  • Dean R. Kahler; 300 ft (91 m); back wound fracturing the vertebrae; permanently paralyzed from the chest down.
  • Douglas Alan Wrentmore; 329 ft (100 m); hit in his right knee.
  • James Dennis Russell; 375 ft (114 m); hit in his right thigh from a bullet and grazed on his right forehead by either a bullet or birdshot; both wounds minor (wounded near the Memorial Gymnasium, away from most of the other students).
  • Robert Follis Stamps; 495 ft (151 m); hit in his right buttock.
  • Donald Scott MacKenzie; 750 ft (230 m); neck wound.
 

mitzi

Well-Known Member
You're always right, except when you are wrong.... It matters not what happened in the days and minutes prier to the murders.
One with a college education should know that. But that doesn't fit your narrative.


Just before noon, the Guard returned and again ordered the crowd to disperse. When most of the crowd refused, the Guard used tear gas. Because of wind, the tear gas had little effect in dispersing the crowd, and some launched a second volley of rocks toward the Guard's line and chanted "Pigs off campus!" The students lobbed the tear gas canisters back at the National Guardsmen, who wore gas masks.

When it became clear that the crowd was not going to disperse, a group of 77 National Guard troops from A Company and Troop G, with bayonets fixed on their M1 Garand rifles, began to advance upon the hundreds of protesters. As the guardsmen advanced, the protesters retreated up and over Blanket Hill, heading out of the Commons area. Once over the hill, the students, in a loose group, moved northeast along the front of Taylor Hall, with some continuing toward a parking lot in front of Prentice Hall (slightly northeast of and perpendicular to Taylor Hall). The guardsmen pursued the protesters over the hill, but rather than veering left as the protesters had, they continued straight, heading toward an athletic practice field enclosed by a chain link fence. Here they remained for about 10 minutes, unsure of how to get out of the area short of retracing their path: they had boxed themselves into a fenced-in corner. During this time, the bulk of the students congregated to the left and front of the guardsmen, approximately 150 to 225 ft (46 to 69 m) away, on the veranda of Taylor Hall. Others were scattered between Taylor Hall and the Prentice Hall parking lot, while still others were standing in the parking lot, or dispersing through the lot as they had been previously ordered.

While on the practice field, the guardsmen generally faced the parking lot, which was about 100 yards (91 m) away. At one point, some of them knelt and aimed their weapons toward the parking lot, then stood up again. At one point the guardsmen formed a loose huddle and appeared to be talking to one another. They had cleared the protesters from the Commons area, and many students had left, but some stayed and were still angrily confronting the soldiers, some throwing rocks and tear gas canisters. About 10 minutes later, the guardsmen began to retrace their steps back up the hill toward the Commons area. Some of the students on the Taylor Hall veranda began to move slowly toward the soldiers as they passed over the top of the hill and headed back into the Commons.


Map of the shootings
During their climb back to Blanket Hill, several guardsmen stopped and half-turned to keep their eyes on the students in the Prentice Hall parking lot. At 12:24 p.m.,[30] according to eyewitnesses, a sergeant named Myron Pryor turned and began firing at the crowd of students with his .45 pistol.[31] A number of guardsmen nearest the students also turned and fired their rifles at the students. In all, at least 29 of the 77 guardsmen claimed to have fired their weapons, using an estimate of 67 rounds of ammunition. The shooting was determined to have lasted 13 seconds, although John Kifner reported in The New York Times that "it appeared to go on, as a solid volley, for perhaps a full minute or a little longer."[32] The question of why the shots were fired remains widely debated.

The adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard told reporters that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen, which remains a debated allegation. Many guardsmen later testified that they were in fear for their lives, which was questioned partly because of the distance between them and the students killed or wounded. Time magazine later concluded that "triggers were not pulled accidentally at Kent State." The President's Commission on Campus Unrest avoided probing the question of why the shootings happened. Instead, it harshly criticized both the protesters and the Guardsmen, but it concluded that "the indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable."[34]

I think people need to have lived thru those times to have an understanding of what it was like then. Not just reading about it in a pop culture fake history book.
 

Louise

Well-Known Member
You're always right, except when you are wrong.... It matters not what happened in the days and minutes prier to the murders.
One with a college education should know that. But that doesn't fit your narrative.
Go and talk dirty to your man, he must like alot, you do it often enough..


Just before noon, the Guard returned and again ordered the crowd to disperse. When most of the crowd refused, the Guard used tear gas. Because of wind, the tear gas had little effect in dispersing the crowd, and some launched a second volley of rocks toward the Guard's line and chanted "Pigs off campus!" The students lobbed the tear gas canisters back at the National Guardsmen, who wore gas masks.

When it became clear that the crowd was not going to disperse, a group of 77 National Guard troops from A Company and Troop G, with bayonets fixed on their M1 Garand rifles, began to advance upon the hundreds of protesters. As the guardsmen advanced, the protesters retreated up and over Blanket Hill, heading out of the Commons area. Once over the hill, the students, in a loose group, moved northeast along the front of Taylor Hall, with some continuing toward a parking lot in front of Prentice Hall (slightly northeast of and perpendicular to Taylor Hall). The guardsmen pursued the protesters over the hill, but rather than veering left as the protesters had, they continued straight, heading toward an athletic practice field enclosed by a chain link fence. Here they remained for about 10 minutes, unsure of how to get out of the area short of retracing their path: they had boxed themselves into a fenced-in corner. During this time, the bulk of the students congregated to the left and front of the guardsmen, approximately 150 to 225 ft (46 to 69 m) away, on the veranda of Taylor Hall. Others were scattered between Taylor Hall and the Prentice Hall parking lot, while still others were standing in the parking lot, or dispersing through the lot as they had been previously ordered.

While on the practice field, the guardsmen generally faced the parking lot, which was about 100 yards (91 m) away. At one point, some of them knelt and aimed their weapons toward the parking lot, then stood up again. At one point the guardsmen formed a loose huddle and appeared to be talking to one another. They had cleared the protesters from the Commons area, and many students had left, but some stayed and were still angrily confronting the soldiers, some throwing rocks and tear gas canisters. About 10 minutes later, the guardsmen began to retrace their steps back up the hill toward the Commons area. Some of the students on the Taylor Hall veranda began to move slowly toward the soldiers as they passed over the top of the hill and headed back into the Commons.


Map of the shootings
During their climb back to Blanket Hill, several guardsmen stopped and half-turned to keep their eyes on the students in the Prentice Hall parking lot. At 12:24 p.m.,[30] according to eyewitnesses, a sergeant named Myron Pryor turned and began firing at the crowd of students with his .45 pistol.[31] A number of guardsmen nearest the students also turned and fired their rifles at the students. In all, at least 29 of the 77 guardsmen claimed to have fired their weapons, using an estimate of 67 rounds of ammunition. The shooting was determined to have lasted 13 seconds, although John Kifner reported in The New York Times that "it appeared to go on, as a solid volley, for perhaps a full minute or a little longer."[32] The question of why the shots were fired remains widely debated.

The adjutant general of the Ohio National Guard told reporters that a sniper had fired on the guardsmen, which remains a debated allegation. Many guardsmen later testified that they were in fear for their lives, which was questioned partly because of the distance between them and the students killed or wounded. Time magazine later concluded that "triggers were not pulled accidentally at Kent State." The President's Commission on Campus Unrest avoided probing the question of why the shootings happened. Instead, it harshly criticized both the protesters and the Guardsmen, but it concluded that "the indiscriminate firing of rifles into a crowd of students and the deaths that followed were unnecessary, unwarranted, and inexcusable."[34]

They must have had Mannings Brothers arms tossing rocks that far...
Of those wounded, none was closer than 71 feet (22 m) to the guardsmen. Of those killed, the nearest (Miller) was 265 feet (81 m) away, and their average distance from the guardsmen was 345 feet (105 m).

  • Jeffrey Glenn Miller; 265 ft (81 m) shot through the mouth; killed instantly.
  • Allison B. Krause; 343 ft (105 m) fatal left chest wound; dead on arrival.
  • William Knox Schroeder; 382 ft (116 m) fatal chest wound; died almost an hour later in a local hospital while undergoing surgery. He was a member of the campus ROTC battalion.
  • Sandra Lee Scheuer; 390 ft (120 m) fatal neck wound; died a few minutes later from loss of blood.
Wounded (and approximate distance from the National Guard):

  • Joseph Lewis, Jr.; 71 ft (22 m); hit twice; once in his right abdomen and once in his lower left leg.
  • John R. Cleary; 110 ft (34 m); upper left chest wound.
  • Thomas Mark Grace; 225 ft (69 m); hit in his left ankle.
  • Alan Michael Canfora; 225 ft (69 m); hit in his right wrist.
  • Dean R. Kahler; 300 ft (91 m); back wound fracturing the vertebrae; permanently paralyzed from the chest down.
  • Douglas Alan Wrentmore; 329 ft (100 m); hit in his right knee.
  • James Dennis Russell; 375 ft (114 m); hit in his right thigh from a bullet and grazed on his right forehead by either a bullet or birdshot; both wounds minor (wounded near the Memorial Gymnasium, away from most of the other students).
  • Robert Follis Stamps; 495 ft (151 m); hit in his right buttock.
  • Donald Scott MacKenzie; 750 ft (230 m); neck wound.

Why do you use wikipedia?
 

mitzi

Well-Known Member
In all fairness, the Wikipedia article states what other articles state and as I remember. I don't know where these pop fake history books are coming from.
 

WingsOfGold

Well-Known Member
Neil is old enough to remember what happened,,,, How old were you again in 1970????????
He was a phucking Canuck that was just out to make a buck with no dog in the fight. Kent State was tragic without doubt, lesson to be learned... school was for learning NOT protesting something you need not worry about since you already have money and a deferment. They burned the ROTC building down on campus. The guardsmen were about the same age as the students, guardsmen who were under trained and in many cases scared shitless .... myself, I was 19 1/2 and on active duty in school at North Island and had absolutely no use for protesters.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Are bricks in hand being armed ,?

What kind of gets me is this unarmed idea that suggests that every "unarmed" person is not a threat.
One fourth of all homicides in this country are not caused by guns - such as George Floyd. You can die just as easily at someone's hands with a chokehold, a blunt instrument, a knife or a fist.

The REASON you might carry a gun is not JUST as a defense against someone else with a gun - it's a defense against someone "not armed" who still intends to attack you. If you are facing someone muc bigger and stronger and ready to attack you - and you don't have a gun or a place to run - you say your prayers. If you do, you shoot as soon as you can, because if they get you - your gun won't help.
 

GregV814

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“Tin soldiers and Nixon coming”... ahhh, the spring of my youth! David Crosby smoking 2 pounds of hash on Joanie Mitchell’s million dollars farm... Rene Davis inciting riots at the University of Maryland... DC still smoldering in ash from the MLK “protests” 2 years earlier....
 

Hijinx

Well-Known Member
I couldn't have said it better myself. I am not some crazed white person just waiting to shoot some black.
I am a home owner who has worked hard for what I have. Sometimes worked as many as 3 jobs at a time to support my family and give myself a decent home and retirement.
If anyone comes to rob me or destroy my home because they decided they wanted to riot and have a good time destroying other people's property they will face an angry homeowner protecting his property.
And I don't care if you are white or black ,young or old, Student or professional agitator.

You might get me and my wife, but I will take some with me.
 
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