The Opiate Pandemic

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
I agree with you 100% PE. When I had an abdominal surgery, I was given a butt-load of Percocet. The only thing those did for me was upset my stomach, and make me feel weird. Motrin, or Ibuprophen (same thing) did well by me. For our patients, after having surgery, we give them a one-time prescription for pain relief. They are told ahead of time, that we will not prescribe any more than that. The surgeries that are done in the hospital, may be able to get more depending on the type of surgery they had. But for the minor stuff, nope....take Motrin.

Dr gave me some Vicodin when I had a kidney stone. That stuff didn't do a thing for me, I call him and ask for Motrin and was met with suspicion.
 

inkah

Active Member
They are, but there is still a legitimate need in most cases. We hear about so many people who either abuse it intentionally or become hooked that we automatically lump everyone together without knowing if their pain is real.

I doubt it. I think we are being conditioned to believe we NEED something we don't. My daughter broke both bones in her lower leg, was in the hospital for over a week and needed reconstruction surgery. The "Pros" all warned her that she HAD to keep taking the full dose (more if needed) all the time, never let yourself feel the pain if you can help it, gotta stay ahead of the pain! etc and so on. I told her to guard against addiction instead and use as little as possible. She very lightly took her narc script less than half the time and only for maybe a week or two.

Buck up cupcakes.

Good on ya for the folks who decline altogether!!
 

glhs837

Power with Control
I doubt it. I think we are being conditioned to believe we NEED something we don't. My daughter broke both bones in her lower leg, was in the hospital for over a week and needed reconstruction surgery. The "Pros" all warned her that she HAD to keep taking the full dose (more if needed) all the time, never let yourself feel the pain if you can help it, gotta stay ahead of the pain! etc and so on. I told her to guard against addiction instead and use as little as possible. She very lightly took her narc script less than half the time and only for maybe a week or two.

Buck up cupcakes.

Good on ya for the folks who decline altogether!!

I think the idea is that feeling any pain is a negative effect that slows healing, maybe? Dunno, I usually keep a few strong things around in case I work my back so bad I cant sleep, other than that, I view the pain as an early warning system. I do get my looks from back specialists, who don't seem to understand why I'm seeking treatment, but when asked what I take, I say nothing. I just deal, but I want a solution that lets me live on my terms, not my damaged discs. I want to kayak, and lift heavy things or even just do work bent over for longer than 10 minutes
 

digitallest

New Member
Having sustained actual catastrophic injuries, with a forktruck load of titanium plating, screws, permanent nerve damage, and inoperable skeletal injuries (collapsed left shoulder joint with impingement being chiefly uncomfortable) plus inoperable disk/nerve root entrapment, blow outs in a variety of numbers with T or L preceeding, (the entirety of the C level is where the aftermarket parts went), I have lots of opinions on the subject of pain, and the drugs doctors will throw at a person in serious pain. And the people wasting doctors time feeding their addiction, who make life a little more difficult for people like me.

The first plate saved my life, in the frank sense. The second plate is keeping me alive until it can't anymore. So far so good, I am not complaining, I am happier to be alive than most people. Give credence to what I say about pain, I am intimately familiar with this subject.

First thing you need to know about pain is, your emotional reaction to it will define the quality of your life, if you have chronic pain. Tell yourself it is a big deal, and it will be a big deal. Tell yourself, I can get through this, it is not so bad, and you will have an easier time coping.

when I was in pallative care, they had me on a patch, like the nicotine patch, only full of some horribly strong drug, I had never heard of. Had a heck of a time coping with the med, and taking myself off of it was extremely difficult, I went through six weeks of raw hell, to get off of it. I feel sure that I would not still be alive if I had remained on that medication. I finally began to research my specific injuries, and began to see a neurologist for my pain management. I found the right doctor, he prescribed the right combination of meds, all in the smallest dose available, and I take them EXACTLY as prescribed, and they work.

A lot of people think a painkiller is not working, if they can still feel their pain. I still feel my pain, but it is not a jangling alarm in the middle of every conscious thought, it is in the background, where I can live with it. Happiness is a decision, and a choice I make, not dependent on how my body feels. The medications help a lot, though, mainly because I am on the right meds and doses, after years of feeling like the subject of an experiment.

When I was over medicated, I would make my injuries worse, not feeling when I had moved the wrong way, or done too much. If I were to abuse my meds, I would suffer for it at the end of the month, because they give you enough to get through the month, as Bilbur mentioned. Chronic pain management can work, but often people try to get high, or justify taking too much because their pain is "so bad" (as if taking meds for 2 weeks, and going without for two weeks is preferrable)


I have seen the addicts in the waiting room, too, and I hope they get the help they need. I have also had acquaintances start describing some terrible pain they were feeling, and at first it was hard not to feel sorry for them! It was hard to say "no" when they would ask for a painkiller, I know what it feels like to be in a lot of pain. I can not claim to be a super fast learner, but I do catch on eventually.

There are people I had to stop speaking to, because all they were interested in was trying to obtain painkillers. Well, one person I had to stop speaking with. She actually kind of hinted at threatening to rob me, I laughed, but it did kind of worry me. she is an older lady, too! (Hunched over a cane and the whole "old lady" package.) Not the scroungy kid I would have imagined as a druggie. Definitely not the person I would imagine cautioning me that I should be careful not to get robbed of medications, in that "I will do this thing" tone of voice.

chronic pain is a heck of a mindf#ck, it takes some ninja copjng skills, which we develop on the fly. (Or more truly, on the fly-crash-fly) or we wash out, and self destruct. The annoyance at such people is not a snooty kind, because I can easily recall the mind state that spawns such a downward spiral. I am a few bad decisions away from similar circumstances, I just have enough clarity of thought to continue to treat my meds like something that can help me live, or make me die. It is not such a hard choice, because I really am very glad to be alive.

So, yeah...I have many opinions and feelings on this subject. I wish someone had written a book (this post nearly qualifies, in length anyhow)...like, "what to expect when you are in relentless pain" or something. Probably someone has, I should have thought to look for it back when I was struggling to adjust. Anyhow, good topic, shame so many people are falling to drug abuse. I do not have a suggestion for how to solve that. Education, information, it is probably our best bet.
 

Roman

Active Member
A lot of medications that are prescribed today, use to be only given on ones death bed. I've worked in the medical field for nearly 30 years, and can say that I can spot a seeker a mile away. It is a shame for those who truly need the medication, and I can see the shame in their eyes when they have to come in for refills. I had people come in and say that their meds were stolen, but I would not do anything unless they could provide me with a police report. I would suggest to anyone that takes medicine for chronic pain, to place them in a safe.
 

littlelady

God bless the USA
Having sustained actual catastrophic injuries, with a forktruck load of titanium plating, screws, permanent nerve damage, and inoperable skeletal injuries (collapsed left shoulder joint with impingement being chiefly uncomfortable) plus inoperable disk/nerve root entrapment, blow outs in a variety of numbers with T or L preceeding, (the entirety of the C level is where the aftermarket parts went), I have lots of opinions on the subject of pain, and the drugs doctors will throw at a person in serious pain. And the people wasting doctors time feeding their addiction, who make life a little more difficult for people like me.

The first plate saved my life, in the frank sense. The second plate is keeping me alive until it can't anymore. So far so good, I am not complaining, I am happier to be alive than most people. Give credence to what I say about pain, I am intimately familiar with this subject.

First thing you need to know about pain is, your emotional reaction to it will define the quality of your life, if you have chronic pain. Tell yourself it is a big deal, and it will be a big deal. Tell yourself, I can get through this, it is not so bad, and you will have an easier time coping.

when I was in pallative care, they had me on a patch, like the nicotine patch, only full of some horribly strong drug, I had never heard of. Had a heck of a time coping with the med, and taking myself off of it was extremely difficult, I went through six weeks of raw hell, to get off of it. I feel sure that I would not still be alive if I had remained on that medication. I finally began to research my specific injuries, and began to see a neurologist for my pain management. I found the right doctor, he prescribed the right combination of meds, all in the smallest dose available, and I take them EXACTLY as prescribed, and they work.

A lot of people think a painkiller is not working, if they can still feel their pain. I still feel my pain, but it is not a jangling alarm in the middle of every conscious thought, it is in the background, where I can live with it. Happiness is a decision, and a choice I make, not dependent on how my body feels. The medications help a lot, though, mainly because I am on the right meds and doses, after years of feeling like the subject of an experiment.

When I was over medicated, I would make my injuries worse, not feeling when I had moved the wrong way, or done too much. If I were to abuse my meds, I would suffer for it at the end of the month, because they give you enough to get through the month, as Bilbur mentioned. Chronic pain management can work, but often people try to get high, or justify taking too much because their pain is "so bad" (as if taking meds for 2 weeks, and going without for two weeks is preferrable)


I have seen the addicts in the waiting room, too, and I hope they get the help they need. I have also had acquaintances start describing some terrible pain they were feeling, and at first it was hard not to feel sorry for them! It was hard to say "no" when they would ask for a painkiller, I know what it feels like to be in a lot of pain. I can not claim to be a super fast learner, but I do catch on eventually.

There are people I had to stop speaking to, because all they were interested in was trying to obtain painkillers. Well, one person I had to stop speaking with. She actually kind of hinted at threatening to rob me, I laughed, but it did kind of worry me. she is an older lady, too! (Hunched over a cane and the whole "old lady" package.) Not the scroungy kid I would have imagined as a druggie. Definitely not the person I would imagine cautioning me that I should be careful not to get robbed of medications, in that "I will do this thing" tone of voice.

chronic pain is a heck of a mindf#ck, it takes some ninja copjng skills, which we develop on the fly. (Or more truly, on the fly-crash-fly) or we wash out, and self destruct. The annoyance at such people is not a snooty kind, because I can easily recall the mind state that spawns such a downward spiral. I am a few bad decisions away from similar circumstances, I just have enough clarity of thought to continue to treat my meds like something that can help me live, or make me die. It is not such a hard choice, because I really am very glad to be alive.

So, yeah...I have many opinions and feelings on this subject. I wish someone had written a book (this post nearly qualifies, in length anyhow)...like, "what to expect when you are in relentless pain" or something. Probably someone has, I should have thought to look for it back when I was struggling to adjust. Anyhow, good topic, shame so many people are falling to drug abuse. I do not have a suggestion for how to solve that. Education, information, it is probably our best bet.

Wow. You are incredible. No one here would have ever known of your pain until you talked about it. You are an amazing writer and, obviously, have a strong will to get through your pain. I read every word of your posts. Other members, not so much. I am in awe of you. Just wanted to say that. I wish you the best.
 

digitallest

New Member
A lot of medications that are prescribed today, use to be only given on ones death bed. I've worked in the medical field for nearly 30 years, and can say that I can spot a seeker a mile away. It is a shame for those who truly need the medication, and I can see the shame in their eyes when they have to come in for refills. I had people come in and say that their meds were stolen, but I would not do anything unless they could provide me with a police report. I would suggest to anyone that takes medicine for chronic pain, to place them in a safe.

That patch the doctors originally put me on! I honestly feel it should only be used in hospice. Incredibly dangerous drug. I felt like it was, I don't want to be all dramatic, like "it was killing me" but, it felt like it was draining my life away. It is not a safe medication, imo.
 

digitallest

New Member
Little lady, thank you for the kind words. I think it is not me being an incredible person, the will to live is a strong drive. I have just been thrust into incredible circumstances. Most people just don't survive the kind of wreck I experienced.
Extraordinary circumstances push us to bring our best. It is nice that you think that, though.

I am sure, if tested to your limits, you all would find the strength to endure far more than you think.

and speaking of endurance, I think I can finally sleep. Yaay. Im never drinking coffee after ten pm ever again.

I am actually getting on my own nerves...
 

officeguy

Well-Known Member
They're metabolized by your liver.

Into other opiates. Most of the pain meds end up in the water whether you take them or not.

Unless you can drop them at a pharmacy or police barracks, the safest disposal is in the toilet.
 
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Goldenhawk

Well-Known Member
That patch the doctors originally put me on! I honestly feel it should only be used in hospice. Incredibly dangerous drug. I felt like it was, I don't want to be all dramatic, like "it was killing me" but, it felt like it was draining my life away. It is not a safe medication, imo.
Your story and following comments make me think that we as a society ought to handle powerful pain issues with a stronger counseling component than purely with meds. I know you're right about mental attitude being a big part of it; I have two parents (between my own and in-laws) who almost seem to relish the pain and being able to complain about it... And another parent who refused to give in and went from a near-fatal ladder fall accident at age 72 to running triathlons at age 75.

The whole "medicate them, bill them, send them home" attitude led to one of my parents getting into addictive behavior with pain meds, and getting kicked out by one doctor for doctor-shopping-like behavior. We never would have expected that parent to have such trouble because they are usually very well balanced. But without proper support and counseling, it happened.

I'm not sure we can "fix" the pain-happy people, but it's clear to me that medication alone won't do it. Yet, we insist on shoveling them a bucket of opiates and send them home with little or no real support.

What does stupid look like?
 

PeoplesElbow

Well-Known Member
Having sustained actual catastrophic injuries, with a forktruck load of titanium plating, screws, permanent nerve damage, and inoperable skeletal injuries (collapsed left shoulder joint with impingement being chiefly uncomfortable) plus inoperable disk/nerve root entrapment, blow outs in a variety of numbers with T or L preceeding, (the entirety of the C level is where the aftermarket parts went), I have lots of opinions on the subject of pain, and the drugs doctors will throw at a person in serious pain. And the people wasting doctors time feeding their addiction, who make life a little more difficult for people like me.

The first plate saved my life, in the frank sense. The second plate is keeping me alive until it can't anymore. So far so good, I am not complaining, I am happier to be alive than most people. Give credence to what I say about pain, I am intimately familiar with this subject.

First thing you need to know about pain is, your emotional reaction to it will define the quality of your life, if you have chronic pain. Tell yourself it is a big deal, and it will be a big deal. Tell yourself, I can get through this, it is not so bad, and you will have an easier time coping.

when I was in pallative care, they had me on a patch, like the nicotine patch, only full of some horribly strong drug, I had never heard of. Had a heck of a time coping with the med, and taking myself off of it was extremely difficult, I went through six weeks of raw hell, to get off of it. I feel sure that I would not still be alive if I had remained on that medication. I finally began to research my specific injuries, and began to see a neurologist for my pain management. I found the right doctor, he prescribed the right combination of meds, all in the smallest dose available, and I take them EXACTLY as prescribed, and they work.

A lot of people think a painkiller is not working, if they can still feel their pain. I still feel my pain, but it is not a jangling alarm in the middle of every conscious thought, it is in the background, where I can live with it. Happiness is a decision, and a choice I make, not dependent on how my body feels. The medications help a lot, though, mainly because I am on the right meds and doses, after years of feeling like the subject of an experiment.

When I was over medicated, I would make my injuries worse, not feeling when I had moved the wrong way, or done too much. If I were to abuse my meds, I would suffer for it at the end of the month, because they give you enough to get through the month, as Bilbur mentioned. Chronic pain management can work, but often people try to get high, or justify taking too much because their pain is "so bad" (as if taking meds for 2 weeks, and going without for two weeks is preferrable)


I have seen the addicts in the waiting room, too, and I hope they get the help they need. I have also had acquaintances start describing some terrible pain they were feeling, and at first it was hard not to feel sorry for them! It was hard to say "no" when they would ask for a painkiller, I know what it feels like to be in a lot of pain. I can not claim to be a super fast learner, but I do catch on eventually.

There are people I had to stop speaking to, because all they were interested in was trying to obtain painkillers. Well, one person I had to stop speaking with. She actually kind of hinted at threatening to rob me, I laughed, but it did kind of worry me. she is an older lady, too! (Hunched over a cane and the whole "old lady" package.) Not the scroungy kid I would have imagined as a druggie. Definitely not the person I would imagine cautioning me that I should be careful not to get robbed of medications, in that "I will do this thing" tone of voice.

chronic pain is a heck of a mindf#ck, it takes some ninja copjng skills, which we develop on the fly. (Or more truly, on the fly-crash-fly) or we wash out, and self destruct. The annoyance at such people is not a snooty kind, because I can easily recall the mind state that spawns such a downward spiral. I am a few bad decisions away from similar circumstances, I just have enough clarity of thought to continue to treat my meds like something that can help me live, or make me die. It is not such a hard choice, because I really am very glad to be alive.

So, yeah...I have many opinions and feelings on this subject. I wish someone had written a book (this post nearly qualifies, in length anyhow)...like, "what to expect when you are in relentless pain" or something. Probably someone has, I should have thought to look for it back when I was struggling to adjust. Anyhow, good topic, shame so many people are falling to drug abuse. I do not have a suggestion for how to solve that. Education, information, it is probably our best bet.


Wow

That patch was probably Fentanyl. From what I understand it is really nasty stuff, my father was on that the last week of his life. He had pancreatic cancer and went through Percocets (along with Advil and Tylenol) like you wouldn't believe.

I would think by now we would be able to turn off pain via some type microsurgery.
 

officeguy

Well-Known Member
That patch was probably Fentanyl. From what I understand it is really nasty stuff, my father was on that the last week of his life. He had pancreatic cancer and went through Percocets (along with Advil and Tylenol) like you wouldn't believe.

A fenta patch is the equivalent of being hooked up to a constant infusion of morphine. For someone in severe pain, it can at times be the only thing that works, but it comes with all the side effects of high opiate doses.
 

Merlin99

Visualize whirled peas
PREMO Member
A fenta patch is the equivalent of being hooked up to a constant infusion of morphine. For someone in severe pain, it can at times be the only thing that works, but it comes with all the side effects of high opiate doses.

Got a nephew who's lived on these for the last couple of years, it easy to tell when he's got a new patch on.
 

digitallest

New Member
Yes! That is it! For some reason my brain kept offering me the word Duracell. I was getting a little annoyed, like, "no, brain, that is a brand of battery, lookin for that horrid patch I was on..."

Brain: ahh, that is right. Hm. I want to say Duracell.

Nope. Still a battery manufacturer.

The drug was fentanyl, and I think it is far too fast acting to be used for chronic pain, and far too strong to be used outside of a clinical environment. I am glad I have that athletic sensibility, I know what is harming my body, like I smell my way through the grocery store. That particular product was not helpful, and my bloodstream was not glad to carry it around. I would have already died, I could not tell when I was hyperextending unstable injuries, and could not function mentally because I was smacked as crap.

taking myself off of it can not be described, just a brutal, long six weeks. If I had not wanted that substance out of my body so badly I would have never been able to get through that experience. I would not wish it on anyone.
 
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