The Pale Horse...

seekeroftruth

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Revelation 6:7 When the Lamb opened the fourth seal, I heard the voice of the fourth living creature say, “Come!” 8 I looked, and there before me was a pale horse! Its rider was named Death, and Hades was following close behind him. They were given power over a fourth of the earth to kill by sword, famine and plague, and by the wild beasts of the earth.
This is where the commentary comes from.

A pale horse. And the name of him who sat on it was Death: This last rider shows that there will be a tremendous death toll from the dictatorship, war, famine and other calamities described by the previous three horsemen.​
Our modern age has seen hundreds of millions killed by dictators, war, and famine. Yet all that will pale in comparison to the death toll coming in the wake of this ultimate dictator. No wonder Jesus said of this time For then there will be great tribulation, such as has not been since the beginning of the world until this time, no, nor ever shall be. (Matthew 24:21)​
Power was given to them over a fourth of the earth, to kill: Power was given to the horseman, and given by God. Though all hell breaks loose on the earth, God is very much in control. He still holds the scroll and opens the seals.​
When they show "a pale horse" on the Westerns.... It's a dapple gray. The rider has the power to kill a quarter of the people on earth. This rider, apparently, doesn't have to use a sword. He can use wild beasts! He can have a bear or a cat or a coyote kill. He can will an elephant to trample people to death.

I don't expect Clint Eastwood of 1985 to show up.

I'm pretty sure when the Black Plague or Small Pox or for that matter Whooping Cough came around, people called out for God to call back the rider on the pale horse. They must have thought the world was coming to an end. Now we can discuss COVID 19. That's the horrible plague that hit the earth starting in 2019. That's almost 5 years ago. If that was a plague started by the rider of the pale horse.... and Seven Years is the magic number [just speculating] then we still have a couple years to go. Over 7,000,000 died of COVID. But... there were over 7 billion people on earth in 2019. So that's only a tenth. It's not just COVID, it's also famine. Over 100,000 people a year die of famine. If dying by the Sword is included, over 30,000 people have died in Gaza. The death toll in Ukraine neared 500,000 by January 2024. If the pale horse had been let loose.... and the population of the world is now 8.1 billion people... he has some more to kill.

So... to review.
1. White Horse = A Dictator
2. Red Horse = Stolen Peace
3. Black Horse = Scales - Famine
4. Pale Horse = Death and Hades

I hear there has been a fire burning in Texas. Over a million acres was destroyed. Let me ask you... Where did the wild animals go? How many terrified wild critters who had to run from the fire are hiding in civilized areas of Texas? I can tell you the wild cat and coyote population shifted after Arizona's wildfires over the last couple of years. They don't deal well with humans and domesticated animals.

This is just my opinion... but I don't think the pale horse has been let loose.

Does that mean we are not in end times? Or are we only a few years in?

One thing for sure... when the pale horse does make his way to earth.... It's going to be a very sad place.

This is about....

The Pale Horse....

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vraiblonde

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We are not in end times. As I said yesterday, every single Christian civilization since Revelation was written has though they were in the end times when in fact it was just normal ahole humans and morons who get sucked in by them, business as usual.

I'm noticing a lot more foxhole Christians lately quoting scripture to insinuate that Trump is ushering in the apocalypse. (Not saying you, Becky, are a foxhole Christian, merely making an observation.) They have no rational reason to think that, yet there they are. And they get highly agitated when questioned.
 

DaSDGuy

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seekeroftruth

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We are not in end times. As I said yesterday, every single Christian civilization since Revelation was written has though they were in the end times when in fact it was just normal ahole humans and morons who get sucked in by them, business as usual.

I'm noticing a lot more foxhole Christians lately quoting scripture to insinuate that Trump is ushering in the apocalypse. (Not saying you, Becky, are a foxhole Christian, merely making an observation.) They have no rational reason to think that, yet there they are. And they get highly agitated when questioned.

I agree.... What scares me is if things are so brutal now.... how much worse will they be???

I like the "foxhole Christian" observation.

You know.... I've been posting Bible Verses on here for years... When I got to Revelation this time.... I just plowed into it.

"Foxhole Christians" don't have time to read the Bible these days.... and if we do it online... well, I've been avoiding an AI Translation.

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DaSDGuy

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Most Christians can quote many different versions of John 3:16.
Maybe they should note Revelation 22:12 before its too late.
 

PJay

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Trump is going to usher in heaven on earth.

Will it happen immediately..no..a lot to clean up to do.

Agree, we are not at the end of our rope, yet.

adding: we all have to do our part! Starting with.. WTFU!
 
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vraiblonde

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Assuming you are not being sarcastic, by associating Trump with the return of Christ, you are the definition of a Christian Nationalist.

This is a real question:

What is a Christian Nationalist and why is that bad? That's a serious question because I keep hearing that term and am not sure what it means.

Like the Dembots enjoy calling Trump a populist (definition: "a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.") and they say it with this sneer, and I'm going..... ..... what's wrong with that? Isn't that what Democrats have said they stood for, and now those exact same Democrats are disparaging it?

These terms drive me crazy.
 

stgislander

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This is a real question:

What is a Christian Nationalist and why is that bad? That's a serious question because I keep hearing that term and am not sure what it means.

Like the Dembots enjoy calling Trump a populist (definition: "a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.") and they say it with this sneer, and I'm going..... ..... what's wrong with that? Isn't that what Democrats have said they stood for, and now those exact same Democrats are disparaging it?

These terms drive me crazy.
Being Christian and/or being a Nationalist is not bad. It's the association of Trump with Christ that is wrong.
 

seekeroftruth

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This is a real question:

What is a Christian Nationalist and why is that bad? That's a serious question because I keep hearing that term and am not sure what it means.

Like the Dembots enjoy calling Trump a populist (definition: "a person, especially a politician, who strives to appeal to ordinary people who feel that their concerns are disregarded by established elite groups.") and they say it with this sneer, and I'm going..... ..... what's wrong with that? Isn't that what Democrats have said they stood for, and now those exact same Democrats are disparaging it?

These terms drive me crazy.

Wow... these threads are really getting people talking.... and I'm learning so much... Thanks everyone!

I did a bing search for the Christian Nationalism definition. The first article I ran across was from "Christianity Today". I remember that site from years ago... so, it should be ok... and it turns out quite interesting.

This is from the article.

Christian nationalism is the belief that the American nation is defined by Christianity, and that the government should take active steps to keep it that way. Popularly, Christian nationalists assert that America is and must remain a “Christian nation”—not merely as an observation about American history, but as a prescriptive program for what America must continue to be in the future. Scholars like Samuel Huntington have made a similar argument: that America is defined by its “Anglo-Protestant” past and that we will lose our identity and our freedom if we do not preserve our cultural inheritance.​
Christian nationalists do not reject the First Amendment and do not advocate for theocracy, but they do believe that Christianity should enjoy a privileged position in the public square. The term “Christian nationalism,” is relatively new, and its advocates generally do not use it of themselves, but it accurately describes American nationalists who believe American identity is inextricable from Christianity.​
The article goes on to say....

What is the problem with nationalism?

Humanity is not easily divisible into mutually distinct cultural units. Cultures overlap and their borders are fuzzy. Since cultural units are fuzzy, they make a poor fit as the foundation for political order. Cultural identities are fluid and hard to draw boundaries around, but political boundaries are hard and semipermanent. Attempting to found political legitimacy on cultural likeness means political order will constantly be in danger of being felt as illegitimate by some group or other. Cultural pluralism is essentially inevitable in every nation.​

Is that really a problem, or just an abstract worry?
It is a serious problem. When nationalists go about constructing their nation, they have to define who is, and who is not, part of the nation. But there are always dissidents and minorities who do not or cannot conform to the nationalists’ preferred cultural template. In the absence of moral authority, nationalists can only establish themselves by force. Scholars are almost unanimous that nationalist governments tend to become authoritarian and oppressive in practice. For example, in past generations, to the extent that the United States had a quasi-established official religion of Protestantism, it did not respect true religious freedom. Worse, the United States and many individual states used Christianity as a prop to support slavery and segregation.​
What do Christian nationalists want that is different from normal Christian engagement in politics?
Christian nationalists want to define America as a Christian nation and they want the government to promote a specific cultural template as the official culture of the country. Some have advocated for an amendment to the Constitution to recognize America’s Christian heritage, others to reinstitute prayer in public schools. Some work to enshrine a Christian nationalist interpretation of American history in school curricula, including that America has a special relationship with God or has been “chosen” by him to carry out a special mission on earth. Others advocate for immigration restrictions specifically to prevent a change to American religious and ethnic demographics or a change to American culture. Some want to empower the government to take stronger action to circumscribe immoral behavior.​
Some—again, like the scholar Samuel Huntington—have argued that the United States government must defend and enshrine its predominant “Anglo-Protestant” culture to ensure the survival of American democracy. And sometimes Christian nationalism is most evident not in its political agenda, but in the sort of attitude with which it is held: an unstated presumption that Christians are entitled to primacy of place in the public square because they are heirs of the true or essential heritage of American culture, that Christians have a presumptive right to define the meaning of the American experiment because they see themselves as America’s architects, first citizens, and guardians.​
How is this dangerous for America?
Christian nationalism tends to treat other Americans as second-class citizens. If it were fully implemented, it would not respect the full religious liberty of all Americans. Empowering the state through “morals legislation” to regulate conduct always carries the risk of overreaching, setting a bad precedent, and creating governing powers that could be used later be used against Christians. Additionally, Christian nationalism is an ideology held overwhelmingly by white Americans, and it thus tends to exacerbate racial and ethnic cleavages. In recent years, the movement has grown increasingly characterized by fear and by a belief that Christians are victims of persecution. Some are beginning to argue that American Christians need to prepare to fight, physically, to preserve America’s identity, an argument that played into the January 6 riot.
This is from Britannica.... you know, the encyclopedia....

Christian nationalism in the United States reached new levels in the first quarter of the 21st century. Donald Trump won the 2016 presidential election in part by becoming an overt champion of Christian nationalism. He repaid his supporters by nominating three socially conservative justices to the U.S. Supreme Court, who in turn ended federally guaranteed access to abortion for women in the U.S. (see also Dobbs v. Jackson Women’s Health Organization). After Trump lost reelection in 2020, many Christian nationalists were among his supporters who participated in the January 6 U.S. Capitol attack in an attempt to stop the election’s certification. Although such extreme Christian nationalism was roundly denounced in the following months, the term was soon positively appropriated by some Republican figures, such as U.S. Rep. Marjorie Taylor Greene. According to a survey by the Public Religion Research Institute and the Brookings Institution whose results were published in February 2023, more than half of all Republicans either identified themselves as Christian nationalists or sympathized with Christian nationalist views​
I'm sure some will call "Christianity Today" a rag, and Britannica as well, not fit for reading.... I learned what "nationalism" means. Thanks for making me look it up! Now I understand.

I probably opened another can of worms... but hey... I'm retired.. I can look it up! LOL

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Kyle

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If, Ifs and buts were candy and nuts....

Christianity has been an integral part of American society at all levels since before it's founding.

This is more chicken little ####.

The sky ain't falling.
 
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