The Pope performs a " half-miracle"

[blacklabman]

Is this equivalent to "Half the truth is a whole lie"?

http://portal.metrocast.net/news/read/article/afp-pope_franciss_halfmiracle_in_naples-afp

 

[hotcoffee]

I have to say.... I really don't think this is more than conversation.

As a matter of fact, with all the relics being lost to ISIS, it seems trivial to be quibbling over this relic. On 60 minutes last night it was reported that a lot of the transcripts from the 1st century have been lost when ISIS took over the church. Five were saved.

I'm looking for a leader of ISIS to step forward any time.... to be adored by all.... as Revelation says will happen one day.

The blood of a lot of Christians has been spilled.... it seems the Pope could have said something about that.

 

[migtig]

Is this equivalent to "Half the truth is a whole lie"?

http://portal.metrocast.net/news/read/article/afp-pope_franciss_halfmiracle_in_naples-afp

I'm not Catholic, so basing off that article, is the half liquification a sign that there will be something bad, just not as bad as the plague?

I'm looking for a leader of ISIS to step forward any time.... to be adored by all.... as Revelation says will happen one day.

I really had no clue that the Bible said an Isis leader would be adored.

 

[b23hqb]

I'm not Catholic, so basing off that article, is the half liquification a sign that there will be something bad, just not as bad as the plague?



I really had no clue that the Bible said an Isis leader would be adored.

Maybe thinking of an/or the anti-christ?

 

[Radiant1]

I have to say.... I really don't think this is more than conversation.

As a matter of fact, with all the relics being lost to ISIS, it seems trivial to be quibbling over this relic. On 60 minutes last night it was reported that a lot of the transcripts from the 1st century have been lost when ISIS took over the church. Five were saved.

I'm looking for a leader of ISIS to step forward any time.... to be adored by all.... as Revelation says will happen one day.

The blood of a lot of Christians has been spilled.... it seems the Pope could have said something about that.

Who's quibbling? The Pope has previously spoken out against ISIS. What would you like him to do, call for a crusade?

I'm not Catholic, so basing off that article, is the half liquification a sign that there will be something bad, just not as bad as the plague?

What is in your heart? Do you think it a harbinger of something bad, a harbinger of something good, both bad and good, or perhaps not a harbinger at all?

 

[mamatutu]

I think it was cool that a guy who owns a pizzeria in Naples gave The Pope a pizza as he was traveling in his Popemobile.

http://insider.foxnews.com/2015/03/...delivery-while-riding-popemobile-naples-italy

 

[Bann]

This is a very big (huge) deal in Naples. I was only 13 when I moved back to the US, but remember learning about San Gennaro (English for Saint Januarius) who is the Patron Saint of Naples. There is a chapel in Solfatara, which is in Pozzuoli (a town in Naples) and very close to where my family lived. Every year (3 times a year) the people wait to see if this blood to "liquify".

http://translate.google.com/transla...rio_di_San_Gennaro_alla_Solfatara&prev=search

 

[hotcoffee]

In Revelation the anti-christ is going to come and say that he is God.

In Revelation the Christians are going to have to make a decision, say they are allied with the anti-christ or die.

ISIS is reported to be requiring people to convert to Islam or die. So I imagine it's not too farfetched to think that the leader of ISIS might just be the anti-christ.

That's what I was thinking about.

I didn't know the Pope spoke out against ISIS. I heard that the Pope got out of the security of the Popemobile. He must be target number 1 for ISIS. He's very brave and faithful.

I loved the pizza story.... man of the people... and brave.

I mean no disrespect to the Catholic Church with my comments. I'm just worried about end times.... and really wish we [Christians] hadn't lost all those artifacts.

 

[migtig]

Who's quibbling? The Pope has previously spoken out against ISIS. What would you like him to do, call for a crusade?

What is in your heart? Do you think it a harbinger of something bad, a harbinger of something good, both bad and good, or perhaps not a harbinger at all?

To your first part, it's true, even I have heard the Pope speak out against Isis. I personally wouldn't want a Christian crusade.

To your second part, I'm afraid my over analytical brain has kicked in and I want to take apart the relic and have it analyzed (which I know is wrong and I'm sorry) and I just don't understand it, therefore I'm curious. It appears, from what I read, that if all the blood, both vials, liquefy, then it's business as usual. Nothing special happens. But if the blood doesn't liquefy, then it's linked to horrible diseases and plagues. So, I'm just wondering has there ever been a documented half liquification and if so, was it linked to anything. :shrug:

Plagues are ongoing in this world. It would be easy to link ebola, swine flu, avian flu, aids and half a million other epidemics to this experience.

I did find it interesting as well, from my reading, that there are other "blood saints" and their relics are all located in this general area.

This is a very big (huge) deal in Naples. I was only 13 when I moved back to the US, but remember learning about San Gennaro (English for Saint Januarius) who is the Patron Saint of Naples. There is a chapel in Solfatara, which is in Pozzuoli (a town in Naples) and very close to where my family lived. Every year (3 times a year) the people wait to see if this blood to "liquify".

http://translate.google.com/transla...rio_di_San_Gennaro_alla_Solfatara&prev=search

That's cool that you had that experience.

 

[migtig]

In Revelation the anti-christ is going to come and say that he is God.

In Revelation the Christians are going to have to make a decision, say they are allied with the anti-christ or die.

That's what I was thinking about.

ISIS is reported to be requiring people to convert to Islam or die.

I didn't know the Pope spoke out against ISIS. I heard that the Pope got out of the security of the Popemobile. He must be target number 1 for ISIS.

I mean no disrespect to the Catholic Church with my comments. I'm just worried about end times.... and really wish we [Christians] hadn't lost all those artifacts.

My momma always said "don't go borrowing trouble". I think you are reading too much into things and I doubt you are a fortune teller. I want you to remember, Christians, since the times of Jesus, has thought they were living in the "end times". I think the whole anti-Christ thing is a non-issue anyway if you believe, right?

As for me, all I see is history repeating itself. No bogeyman. No anti-Christ. Just history repeating itself over and over again, and nobody learning from it. Isis, the deaths, the destruction, the forced conversions, is just history repeating itself. I'm not belittling this "war". It's horrible and it makes me angry and sad and a million other things. However, I see nothing other than great tragedy. When I hear folks bring up the end times of Revelation in regards to the Middle East, I think you either don't know your history, or you are wishful thinking (which is horrifying, why would anybody wish that on another?).

I'm also sad that all of history and antiquity has been lost, not just the Christian ones. Most historians agree that Iraq was the original cradle of civilization. All of humankind's history in that region that didn't make it into "private collectors" hands, has been destroyed.

 

[hotcoffee]

My momma always said "don't go borrowing trouble". I think you are reading too much into things and I doubt you are a fortune teller. I want you to remember, Christians, since the times of Jesus, has thought they were living in the "end times". I think the whole anti-Christ thing is a non-issue anyway if you believe, right?

As for me, all I see is history repeating itself. No bogeyman. No anti-Christ. Just history repeating itself over and over again, and nobody learning from it. Isis, the deaths, the destruction, the forced conversions, is just history repeating itself. I'm not belittling this "war". It's horrible and it makes me angry and sad and a million other things. However, I see nothing other than great tragedy. When I hear folks bring up the end times of Revelation in regards to the Middle East, I think you either don't know your history, or you are wishful thinking (which is horrifying, why would anybody wish that on another?).

I'm also sad that all of history and antiquity has been lost, not just the Christian ones. Most historians agree that Iraq was the original cradle of civilization. All of humankind's history in that region that didn't make it into "private collectors" hands, has been destroyed.

Thanks for that.... I feel better about it. I do think the Pope should be a little more cautious though. And maybe Billy Graham should watch his back too.

On a side note.... this is what my horoscope says this morning.

Take one of your latest obsessions -- a new band, a TV show or a fantastic restaurant, say -- and find another person to share it with! Whenever you perceive an opportunity to sway the topic of conversation, push it toward your new personal fad. Sharing what excites you is a great way to show new people what makes you tick and give them insight into your personality. Plus, revealing your passion may create a bond with someone you've been wanting to be closer to.​

I guess the end times, ISIS, the lost antiquities, and the Pope are my current obsessions.

 

[Radiant1]

To your first part, it's true, even I have heard the Pope speak out against Isis. I personally wouldn't want a Christian crusade.

Neither would I, but I'm thinking we can now understand why they originally started to crusade over 700 years ago. It's hard not to get pissed off at the actions of ISIS and want to bomb the #### out of them.

To your second part, I'm afraid my over analytical brain has kicked in and I want to take apart the relic and have it analyzed (which I know is wrong and I'm sorry) and I just don't understand it, therefore I'm curious.

It appears, from what I read, that if all the blood, both vials, liquefy, then it's business as usual. Nothing special happens. But if the blood doesn't liquefy, then it's linked to horrible diseases and plagues. So, I'm just wondering has there ever been a documented half liquification and if so, was it linked to anything. :shrug:

Plagues are ongoing in this world. It would be easy to link ebola, swine flu, avian flu, aids and half a million other epidemics to this experience.

I did find it interesting as well, from my reading, that there are other "blood saints" and their relics are all located in this general area.

No need to be sorry, you and millions of other people want to know and it's not wrong to do so. As far as I know Januarius' blood specifically has not been analyzed, but there is scientific data as to the phenomenon. It's quite possible that the phenomenon is regional due to environmental factors. And yeah, supposed connections between plagues and what not can be very subjective. Anyone can make it out to be what they want, such is the way of prophecy as well. I'm not aware of any half-liquifications, which is part of the reason why I said make of it what you will. Your guess is as good as mine.