The Stupid, the Crazy, and the anti-American!

Odessa78

New Member
A simple explanation:
"Where to begin? First, I think obama won with a coalition of 3 distinct groups: The stupid, the crazy, and the anti-American. Allow me to explain. First, the stupid. These are people who had no idea what the issues were/are, but just voted for obama anyway. They like him more, they wanted to vote for a black man, etc… These are the same people that gripe about the high price of gas, the lack of jobs, tax increases, etc.. These are the same fools that honestly believe obama has given them free health care. They spend all their time watching Jersey Shore or some other mind rotting crap, which is why they are ignorant of the issues in the first place. I would also place Hispanic obama supporters in this camp: In 2008, he promised to make immigration reform a ‘top priority’, and then, even though he controlled congress, he did nothing. He used them for their votes, and did it a second time, and they allowed him to do it, which makes them stupid. Then, the second group, the crazies. I call them this because a person who does the same thing and expects a different result is crazy. Two thirds of the American people, which would include many that voted for obama, believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, yet a majority of voters voted for the man who is taking it there. A majority believed that the economy was the most important issue, yet again, a majority of voters doubled down on a man that took a bad economy and made it worse. He is who he is, and his ideas/political philosophies are not going to change, so to expect a different outcome is insanity. Then the last group. These are the ones that hate traditional America. They want socialism. They want a central government that ‘levels the playing field’ by controlling every aspect of our lives. Some of them would like to see our country under a totally different system, such as Shariah Law. At any rate, they think obama is their best opportunity for radical change. Second, I think the Republican party is finished at the national level, and here is why. They cannot move to the right, because there are only so many conservatives. If they move to the center, become more moderate, then there will be little choice between them and the democrats, and the democrats will still win because they offer more welfare/social services for minorities, women, and good-for-nothing whites. I believe the Republicans will fade, and we will end up with essentially one-party rule, and of course, socialism. If you want a good idea of where we are now headed, take a look at Greece – that is us in another decade, but this is apparently what the people want. Elections have consequences, and this one certainly will. I don’t have to worry too much about most of this – the bulk of my days are well behind me now. I do fear for the future for the sake of our children – they will not enjoy the sort of America, a strong America, an America that was the land of opportunity and prosperity, that my generation did. You have made your choice, now live with it."

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BigBlue

New Member
"Where to begin? First, I think obama won with a coalition of 3 distinct groups: The stupid, the crazy, and the anti-American."

Pretty ignorant,so everyone that voted for the President is stupid,crazy and anti American,we get it,you're not happy.
 

Vince

......
A simple explanation:
"Where to begin? First, I think obama won with a coalition of 3 distinct groups: The stupid, the crazy, and the anti-American. Allow me to explain. First, the stupid. These are people who had no idea what the issues were/are, but just voted for obama anyway. They like him more, they wanted to vote for a black man, etc… These are the same people that gripe about the high price of gas, the lack of jobs, tax increases, etc.. These are the same fools that honestly believe obama has given them free health care. They spend all their time watching Jersey Shore or some other mind rotting crap, which is why they are ignorant of the issues in the first place. I would also place Hispanic obama supporters in this camp: In 2008, he promised to make immigration reform a ‘top priority’, and then, even though he controlled congress, he did nothing. He used them for their votes, and did it a second time, and they allowed him to do it, which makes them stupid. Then, the second group, the crazies. I call them this because a person who does the same thing and expects a different result is crazy. Two thirds of the American people, which would include many that voted for obama, believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, yet a majority of voters voted for the man who is taking it there. A majority believed that the economy was the most important issue, yet again, a majority of voters doubled down on a man that took a bad economy and made it worse. He is who he is, and his ideas/political philosophies are not going to change, so to expect a different outcome is insanity. Then the last group. These are the ones that hate traditional America. They want socialism. They want a central government that ‘levels the playing field’ by controlling every aspect of our lives. Some of them would like to see our country under a totally different system, such as Shariah Law. At any rate, they think obama is their best opportunity for radical change. Second, I think the Republican party is finished at the national level, and here is why. They cannot move to the right, because there are only so many conservatives. If they move to the center, become more moderate, then there will be little choice between them and the democrats, and the democrats will still win because they offer more welfare/social services for minorities, women, and good-for-nothing whites. I believe the Republicans will fade, and we will end up with essentially one-party rule, and of course, socialism. If you want a good idea of where we are now headed, take a look at Greece – that is us in another decade, but this is apparently what the people want. Elections have consequences, and this one certainly will. I don’t have to worry too much about most of this – the bulk of my days are well behind me now. I do fear for the future for the sake of our children – they will not enjoy the sort of America, a strong America, an America that was the land of opportunity and prosperity, that my generation did. You have made your choice, now live with it."
I like it and I'm of the same thought process. The third group you mention are the scary ones.
 

b23hqb

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
Pretty ignorant,so everyone that voted for the President is stupid,crazy and anti American,we get it,you're not happy.

I would pretty much agree with Odessa, with a few changes:

1.Stupid
2. Ignorant - knowing things to be factually true but choosing to ignore it just because you don't like to be thought of as stupid
3. anti-Constitution, which is essentially anti-US
4. Gimme, gimme, gimme - for my vote, and gimme more for my next vote
5. Take, take take - from those who are not in the gimme vote, just so more can be given to the #4's.

All votes for the big o are responsible for what happens.

That is our current life.
 

moose1

New Member
I aggree Odessa, The new generation will not have the opportunity as we have had. The American people that voted for Obama will have no one to blame but themselves when they lose jobs, homes, and health care. oh wait you will not lose that because he is going to take care of you. For all you Americans that voted for Obama enjoy your new life coming down the road. You will start crying soon.
 

Odessa78

New Member
I aggree Odessa, The new generation will not have the opportunity as we have had. The American people that voted for Obama will have no one to blame but themselves when they lose jobs, homes, and health care. oh wait you will not lose that because he is going to take care of you. For all you Americans that voted for Obama enjoy your new life coming down the road. You will start crying soon.

"In the country of children, Santa Claus always wins!" --- Rush L.
 

aps45819

24/7 Single Dad
Pretty ignorant,so everyone that voted for the President is stupid,crazy and anti American,we get it,you're not happy.

There is a pic floating around of a car with a flat tire. The caption asks "If you bought a car with a flat tire, would you blame the guy who sold it to you and drive on the rim for 4 years?"

Apparently a lot of people think Obama is not at fault for the flat tire
 

Hessian

Well-Known Member
The problem Moose,...

I aggree Odessa, The new generation will not have the opportunity as we have had. The American people that voted for Obama will have no one to blame but themselves when they lose jobs, homes, and health care. oh wait you will not lose that because he is going to take care of you. For all you Americans that voted for Obama enjoy your new life coming down the road. You will start crying soon.

Is that they won't start crying soon enough......our government has gotten very good at post-poning tough decisions and hiding the dangers that approach.
"I will not rest.....We will not rest...Our number ONE priority is...."-all from the punk who has golfed more than any recent president in memory. He CAN"T solve anything, and the crying will be from those who still believe in him & blame the Republicans for refusal to "compromise" (ie surrender).
 

tirdun

staring into the abyss
Hey, lets see how stupid and crazy I am.

These are the same people that gripe about the high price of gas

Obama and his policies over the last 4 years had almost nothing to do with the price of gas. As much as Republicans (or Dems during the W years or anyone every other year) love to point fingers at each other, there are 3 reasons gas prices are high: 1-supply is dropping by 300k barrels a day 2-demand (China and India) is rising by a million and a half and 3- Speculation based on turbulence in the mid east.

the lack of jobs

Here's a graph for you:
July Job Growth Exceeds Forecasts

There are 4.5 million more jobs right now than when Obama took office. Give him credit or claim things might be better otherwise, but get YOUR facts straight. (removed - incorrect source)

tax increases

Name them. Name a tax increase that Obama has passed that has actually gone into effect. I'd love to see your list, because mine is short and doesn't affect me except if I buy tobacco or go to a tanning booth. Future taxes may arrive, but name something in term 1 that cost you more money.

These are the same fools that honestly believe obama has given them free health care.

Obamacare isn't "free health care". Maybe you should read up on what the law actually does. If you want to talk free health care, you can look at the popularity of Medicare and Medicade (both need reform, but Obama didn't create them) or look at countries with free medical care and how happy they are with it. Most are happier than we are. That doesn't make it a clear alternative, but throwing out Obamacare = Free health care is flat wrong.

In 2008, he promised to make immigration reform a ‘top priority’, and then, even though he controlled congress, he did nothing.

Mostly true, and he directly apologized for this. Meanwhile the Republican party's version of "immigration reform" was self-deportation and mirroring the Arizona law. Self-deportation is a fantasy and hispanics universally hate the Arizona law, so the Republicans lost the Hispanic vote altogether (somewhere in the 25% range).

Then, the second group, the crazies. I call them this because a person who does the same thing and expects a different result is crazy.

To dehumanize your opponent rather than worrying about their point of view doesn't make you right, it makes you ignorant.

Two thirds of the American people, which would include many that voted for obama, believe the country is headed in the wrong direction, yet a majority of voters voted for the man who is taking it there.

These numbers are not entirely right and are misleading. Obama's approval rating was ~50% at the time of the election and had been trending up. It's been above 40% and as high as 55%, which is on par with most other presidents. His economic approval rating was low, but Romney's and congress was even worse. People didn't like Obama on the economy, but they hated the idea of switching to Romney.

Obama Trusted More Than Romney, Other Leaders on Economy

A majority believed that the economy was the most important issue, yet again, a majority of voters doubled down on a man that took a bad economy and made it worse.

Numbers? Sources? Oh, here's some:

Gallop: Economic Confidence in U.S. Hits New High

Rassmusen: Consumer index from 54 (2009) to 80s today.

Dow Jones Jan 2009 around 8000. Dow Jones yesterday (even with the drop) was nearly 13000.

The president doesn't have some magic "economy" lever. He's tied to congress and the existing laws. Given the alternatives, people took the guy who seems to have steered us out of the storm of 2007/2008 rather than changing crew.

They want socialism. They want a central government that ‘levels the playing field’ by controlling every aspect of our lives. Some of them would like to see our country under a totally different system, such as Shariah Law.

Fear mongering, name-calling nonsense. No rational person wants true socialism and Obama's agenda is only "socialism" if you're looking at it from very, very deep in libertarian, anti-government land. Astonishingly, the most socialist thing Obama did last year was to take over GM, and that was hugely popular! I guess Socialism is ok if it saves your job, but if you want to give health care to people who can't afford it (and who are weighing down the system anyway) that's a crime.

I think the Republican party is finished at the national level, and here is why. They cannot move to the right, because there are only so many conservatives. If they move to the center, become more moderate, then there will be little choice between them and the democrats

Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. The Republicans need to ditch their socially conservative baggage. They need to ditch their all-or-nothing immigration policy and talk to people who really want to make changes without saying "deport 10 million people" like the sentence is somehow a rational suggestion. They need to move away from radical libertarianism and work with realistic conservative capitalism. They need to appeal to younger voters who aren't white and male. They need to see that having a defense budget that dwarfs our actual needs is irrational and allow the military to slowly reduce to a reasonable, sustainable level. They need to look at medical policy and entitlement from a compassionate side and a business side. They need to see that at some point, cutting income taxes doesn't create more jobs anymore and simply reduces revenue. They need to start insourcing jobs with national policies on corporate taxes and tax havens that increases revenue and jobs. They need to punish people who send american jobs and american money overseas.

Romney promised none of this. Or he did and changed his mind the next day.

the democrats will still win because they offer more welfare/social services for minorities, women, and good-for-nothing whites.

The dems won because the Republicans forgot they were pro-business and become pro giant corporation, pro social issues that have no chance of getting legislated and pro 1940s contraceptive and reproductive policy. According to polls, people didn't vote FOR dems, they voted against Repubs. That's a clear and unambiguous opportunity for Republicans who can actually do math when it comes to voters.

take a look at Greece

OK lets. Main problem for Greece over the last few decades? Tax evasion. Systematic financial and government corruption. Worker Tenure. Ignoring Debts. Civil War. No production.

Thats not us in a decade, it's an entirely different set of issues resulting in a vaguely similar economic situation. Their debt, in comparison to GDP, is an order of magnitude greater than ours.

This is fear mongering, uniformed nonsense. People seem to think that demonizing liberal policy works, but it doesn't. It makes you popular with people who think like you but it doesn't move us forward.

You want to blame someone for the loss? Blame the Republican party for not grasping an opportunity to unseat a weak president with sane, honest, rational policy. There were dozens of excellent Republican options, but they were all too moderate and what did you end up with at the end of the primaries? The loudest, the richest and the furthest from middle america.
 
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BigBlue

New Member
Hey, lets see how stupid and crazy I am.



Obama and his policies over the last 4 years had almost nothing to do with the price of gas. As much as Republicans (or Dems during the W years or anyone every other year) love to point fingers at each other, there are 3 reasons gas prices are high: 1-supply is dropping by 300k barrels a day 2-demand (China and India) is rising by a million and a half and 3- Speculation based on turbulence in the mid east.



Here's a graph for you:
July Job Growth Exceeds Forecasts

There are 4.5 million more jobs right now than when Obama took office. Give him credit or claim things might be better otherwise, but get YOUR facts straight.



Name them. Name a tax increase that Obama has passed that has actually gone into effect. I'd love to see your list, because mine is short and doesn't affect me except if I buy tobacco or go to a tanning booth. Future taxes may arrive, but name something in term 1 that cost you more money.



Obamacare isn't "free health care". Maybe you should read up on what the law actually does. If you want to talk free health care, you can look at the popularity of Medicare and Medicade (both need reform, but Obama didn't create them) or look at countries with free medical care and how happy they are with it. Most are happier than we are. That doesn't make it a clear alternative, but throwing out Obamacare = Free health care is flat wrong.



Mostly true, and he directly apologized for this. Meanwhile the Republican party's version of "immigration reform" was self-deportation and mirroring the Arizona law. Self-deportation is a fantasy and hispanics universally hate the Arizona law, so the Republicans lost the Hispanic vote altogether (somewhere in the 25% range).



To dehumanize your opponent rather than worrying about their point of view doesn't make you right, it makes you ignorant.



These numbers are not entirely right and are misleading. Obama's approval rating was ~50% at the time of the election and had been trending up. It's been above 40% and as high as 55%, which is on par with most other presidents. His economic approval rating was low, but Romney's and congress was even worse. People didn't like Obama on the economy, but they hated the idea of switching to Romney.

Obama Trusted More Than Romney, Other Leaders on Economy



Numbers? Sources? Oh, here's some:

Gallop: Economic Confidence in U.S. Hits New High

Rassmusen: Consumer index from 54 (2009) to 80s today.

Dow Jones Jan 2009 around 8000. Dow Jones yesterday (even with the drop) was nearly 13000.

The president doesn't have some magic "economy" lever. He's tied to congress and the existing laws. Given the alternatives, people took the guy who seems to have steered us out of the storm of 2007/2008 rather than changing crew.



Fear mongering, name-calling nonsense. No rational person wants true socialism and Obama's agenda is only "socialism" if you're looking at it from very, very deep in libertarian, anti-government land. Astonishingly, the most socialist thing Obama did last year was to take over GM, and that was hugely popular! I guess Socialism is ok if it saves your job, but if you want to give health care to people who can't afford it (and who are weighing down the system anyway) that's a crime.



Nonsense, nonsense, nonsense. The Republicans need to ditch their socially conservative baggage. They need to ditch their all-or-nothing immigration policy and talk to people who really want to make changes without saying "deport 10 million people" like the sentence is somehow a rational suggestion. They need to move away from radical libertarianism and work with realistic conservative capitalism. They need to appeal to younger voters who aren't white and male. They need to see that having a defense budget that dwarfs our actual needs is irrational and allow the military to slowly reduce to a reasonable, sustainable level. They need to look at medical policy and entitlement from a compassionate side and a business side. They need to see that at some point, cutting income taxes doesn't create more jobs anymore and simply reduces revenue. They need to start insourcing jobs with national policies on corporate taxes and tax havens that increases revenue and jobs. They need to punish people who send american jobs and american money overseas.

Romney promised none of this. Or he did and changed his mind the next day.



The dems won because the Republicans forgot they were pro-business and become pro giant corporation, pro social issues that have no chance of getting legislated and pro 1940s contraceptive and reproductive policy. According to polls, people didn't vote FOR dems, they voted against Repubs. That's a clear and unambiguous opportunity for Republicans who can actually do math when it comes to voters.



OK lets. Main problem for Greece over the last few decades? Tax evasion. Systematic financial and government corruption. Worker Tenure. Ignoring Debts. Civil War. No production.

Thats not us in a decade, it's an entirely different set of issues resulting in a vaguely similar economic situation. Their debt, in comparison to GDP, is an order of magnitude greater than ours.

This is fear mongering, uniformed nonsense. People seem to think that demonizing liberal policy works, but it doesn't. It makes you popular with people who think like you but it doesn't move us forward.

You want to blame someone for the loss? Blame the Republican party for not grasping an opportunity to unseat a weak president with sane, honest, rational policy. There were dozens of excellent Republican options, but they were all too moderate and what did you end up with at the end of the primaries? The loudest, the richest and the furthest from middle america.


Very well said,Bravo.


P.S....You aren't Anti American either.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
There are 4.5 million more jobs right now than when Obama took office. Give him credit or claim things might be better otherwise, but get YOUR facts straight.

Really? Got proof of that? You wanna get YOUR facts straight?

It is true that that many jobs have been created - but only when you ignore the months of job LOSSES that occurred before we started gaining jobs. So that MIGHT be true - if Obama started his job in January of 2010.

CNN Fact Check: About those 4.5 million jobs ... - CNN.com
 

tirdun

staring into the abyss
Really? Got proof of that? You wanna get YOUR facts straight?

You numbers are right. My source was wrong & I concede that point, the actual jobs gained is ~200k.

However, I believe my overall point and other facts stand. Voting for Obama does not make a person stupid, anti-American, crazy or ill-informed and the endless slinging of political bile parroted from biased blowhard sources is counterproductive. This board is rarely about discussion or debate, it's about demonizing. The sky isn't falling, the Republicans lost and things are pretty much where they were four days ago.
 

Odessa78

New Member
You numbers are right. My source was wrong & I concede that point, the actual jobs gained is ~200k.

Voting for Obama does not make a person stupid, anti-American, crazy or ill-informed and the endless slinging of political bile parroted from biased blowhard sources is counterproductive.

I agree, voting for Obama does not MAKE a person stupid, anti-American, etc....because he's already there.

The analisys was about three distinctive groups. You don't have to be all three. You can be sane and Anti-American. You might also love America and still be stupid.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
This board is rarely about discussion or debate, it's about demonizing. The sky isn't falling, the Republicans lost and things are pretty much where they were four days ago.

And it still ain't great, and I think the stuff is still about to hit the fan.

But - you won't find me posting mostly insults. I'm not without my faults, but it's my general view that when you hurl insults, you've lost the argument. It's the simpler form of "when the law is against you, argue the facts; when the facts are against you, argue the law; when both are against you, pound the table". You resort to such tactics when you don't have anything.

I don't think you have to be stupid, crazy or anti-American. At least, not on purpose.

I have stated here repeatedly - and rather inarticulately - that some of the most basic differences between the left and the right have little to do with the actual issues per se. They have to do with the perspective of the role of government. Liberals trust government; conservatives trust themselves. Liberals see community and we the people as being demonstrated by the actions of government, as in, how can our government permit so many homeless? Conservatives cut out government altogether - they cry how come we individuals allow so many homeless?

So it stands to reason that we have liberals defending government programs that don't work - and think they just need to do it more.

I don't think people who believe in Obama are stupid - but I do think they are mistaken. I don't think he can deliver anything. That doesn't make people stupid. Stupid is something you do on purpose. You have to work at being stupid.

And you don't have to be crazy. I am sure many people voted for Obama because basically - they like him. I think I would vote for family members over any sense of reason for the same rationale. They didn't trust Romney - or they didn't like him. Experience, positions on issues, it didn't matter. It doesn't make you crazy, but it does mean the means by which you evaluate politicians differs from me - and I don't think it's a good way to do it. It's why I avoid such conflicts of interest - I don't want to have to vote against someone I like because in my heart and mind, I know they can't do the job.

Which leaves anti-American. Fine. I guess it depends on what you want to think is anti-American. To me, American is risk-taking, ingenuity, pioneering, self-reliance, bravery and charity. It is the kind of people who left Europe for an unknown land to start a new life in a world without the comforts they knew. I do see a trend to undo that - to go back to Egypt as it were. I don't think anyone sets out to destroy America, but I do think the more we become like Europe, the less we are really American. I do fear that as more and more Americans grow up with the idea that government is their nanny rather than their servant, we will lose this.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
Voting for empty suit Romney was stupid.

I liked him for any number of reasons - but empty suit he was not. He had accomplishments. Obama arrived with ideas - but no accomplishments.

I like to bring up a facet of the David and Goliath story that usually gets overlooked. We know the basics - some huge gigantic warrior steps out from the battle lines daring anyone brave enough to fight him. No one wants to, because the guy is frickin' huge and scary. David comes along and makes a big deal about how dare some uncircumcised heathen defy God and curse his name? To which his older brothers and the king sort of smirk and think "yeah, well, zeal for the LORD isn't going to win a battle against this guy".

The part not mentioned? David says "oh yeah? I've beaten lions and bears my friend, all by my lonesome, and they're tougher than he is. He's just one more".

THAT's when the king says "ok, son, bring it on".

Romney had many years of success stories and business experience. He'd been a governor in a state MORE hostile to him than Congress was to Obama. He vetoed more than 800 bills, and most of them were overturned - and he still managed to get things done.

Obama had - well, not a lot. No legislative accomplishments. A good speech at the Democratic Convention. And - well, a lot of "present" votes as a state senator. And two books. About himself.

THERE is an empty suit.
 

stgislander

Well-Known Member
PREMO Member
To me, American is risk-taking, ingenuity, pioneering, self-reliance, bravery and charity. It is the kind of people who left Europe for an unknown land to start a new life in a world without the comforts they knew. I do see a trend to undo that - to go back to Egypt as it were. I don't think anyone sets out to destroy America, but I do think the more we become like Europe, the less we are really American. I do fear that as more and more Americans grow up with the idea that government is their nanny rather than their servant, we will lose this.

That can be said about the Latinos that risk coming across the border daily in the hopes of making it to a better land. I believe the vast majority of them do not come here to suck at the govt teet.
 

SamSpade

Well-Known Member
That can be said about the Latinos that risk coming across the border daily in the hopes of making it to a better land. I believe the vast majority of them do not come here to suck at the govt teet.

I'm of the opinion that at this point, some form of amnesty can be agreed upon, and I would agree with it on certain conditions and they would be:

1. This is it. Everyone else, the law is going to sit on you. Hard. We implement legislation that sticks. No excuses.
2. If you want to stay, you must apply for citizenship and go through normal channels. If you don't want to be a citizen or apply for a green card, then you must leave.
3. Eliminate laws that protect future illegals, clarify the amendment rulings that under a foreign jurisdiction means, no anchor babies. Most modern nations do not allow citizenship by birth. You only become a citizen if one of your parents is one.

This is no longer an open frontier without national borders and we are not aching for citizens to homestead out west. No other nation tolerates this kind of incursion, least of all Mexico.

Otherwise, I look at the struggle to arrive here not like the ships arriving from Europe in the 1600's where most of the travelers eventually died - but more like a homeless person breaking into your home and squatting there.
It's a better life but:

1. We can't accommodate all of the world's poor. We're a nation of 300 million. The world is 7 billion. It pumps out a population equal to the whole of the United States in just four years. We just can't take them all.
2. Many people go through the proper channels and stand in line a long time. Sneaking in illegally is cutting in line.
 
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