How do you remember that far back? Hell...I can barely remember the 1960s, when I grew up a farm kid. Amazing.
These kids are in for a rude awakening...
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How do you remember that far back? Hell...I can barely remember the 1960s, when I grew up a farm kid. Amazing.
Larry Gude
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Well, if you ever read something besides Popular Mechanics and Meade Quarterly, you might know a thing or two from the past...
This_person
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Let me rephrase your question - "If you were a direct beneficiary of slave labor, and that slave labor is what you liked about your childhood, then wouldn't you be saying you liked slavery?"
Of course if you box the question in the way you did, I would have to answer that slavery is a part of that. But, let's use your same analogy - does that mean, since I got good schooling and someone else cleaned my horse's stall, that I also prefer a time with no toilet paper? A time when the best gun I could get wouldn't hold a candle to an average gun today?
No, it would mean that I enjoyed a good education and few chores. I could enjoy that AND not accept slavery - "my family could have afforded to pay those folks a living wage commensurate with the job they performed, and I still would have gotten a great education, they would have cleaned my horse's stall, and maybe someone would have invented TOILET PAPER!!"
Larry Gude
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You need not be a direct beneficiary of slavery to benefit from it. Nor female subordination.
This_person
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Nor to like a good education or someone doing your chores.
luvmygdaughters
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I guess I'm one of the old geezettes sitting on the porch pissing and moaning. Kids were raised to show respect to their parents, elders, teachers, police officers, etc. Kids were disciplined when they were bad or disrespectful. You didnt win a trophy just for showing up, God forbid if you got in trouble at school and was sent to the principals office. My grandparents had a farm in Suitland,(this was back in the 50' and 60's). Every summer my sisters and cousins would help out on the farm. During my teen years, my summer job was to babysit my younger cousins. My sisters and I were considered precious...to my parents and grandparents only!! Today's kids are made to believe they are the most precious thing in the world...TO EVERYBODY!!!! We all know, this is not true. Say what you like, but, the truth is, today's kids are doomed to be selfish, uncaring,overbearing, useless adults. Makes me wonder how they will raise their kids,
Lurk
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Go ahead and do it, Just don't tell the basement dweller it's happened. BTW: He doesn't happen to use NHBoy or TommyJo as a moniker does he?
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luvmygdaughters
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Never though of thought...maybe so.
Larry Gude
Strung Out
There's a song about this.
So, basically, slavery, misogyny, genocide, war for profit, building and rebuilding a plutocracy is fine...if you have lovely manners and know which fork to use.
So, basically, slavery, misogyny, genocide, war for profit, building and rebuilding a plutocracy is fine...if you have lovely manners and know which fork to use.
So everyone who was born before 1985 is a slave owning misogynist war mongering plutocrat?
Besides that you're misusing my song, and it has to be deliberate because I have had many conversations with you on what exactly that song does mean, so I know you know.
Larry Gude
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that's EXACTLY what that song means; The Devil is just peachy because he's so polite.
My point is what we have today in terms of policy. What we HAVE. The endless, pointless wars. Immigration policy run by people who want cheap labor and more poor people. Etc, etc.
Old people ALWAYS cry that the next generation is worthless and yet from the beginning of the republic each successive generation actually, however slowly, MADE the US a more perfect union. Step by step by step. Your OP makes you sound like some grouchy old fart yelling at kids to get off your lawn which does NOT conform with this wonderful life you've built where you get to see, first hand, the very success each new generation of 'losers' have built. So, cut it out. Or don't.
The kids are alright.
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No. The devil is NOT peachy; the devil just knows how to make a superficial good impression on those who don't care to dig any deeper. The song goes on to tell the story of "the nicest girl we knew" knocking over a grocery store with a loaded .32; and the nicest boy in town who "took an axe as big as him and chopped his family down".
And you may call it irony when co-incidence collides
But I've had dinner with the Devil and I have seen the light
And you may call it righteousness, when civility survives
But I've had dinner with the Devil and I know nice from right
It's a commentary on our being dazzled by surface impressions that aren't necessarily what's real.
Like celebrities.
Like the Democrat party.
I disagree. We are more divided as a People than I have seen in my lifetime (so don't bother bringing up the Civil War). Nineteen-Eighty-Four used to be dystopian fiction - and now it's becoming more and more prophetic.
Old people always cry that the next generation is worthless because, compared to their generation, it is. It has nothing to do with specifics, like slavery or subjugation of women - and I know you know that many if not most people of their day were against those things, just like you know the Revolutionary War was unpopular in its day and many colonists liked being under English rule just fine. I KNOW you know history, so no revising or pretending ignorance
Do that somewhere where nobody knows you.Imagine westward expansion with this current crop of children leading the way. Or even those our kids' age. Or even us.
Imagine a pack of today's early 20-somethings storming the beach at Normandy.
Who's bringing the Play Doh and puppies to alleviate their stress?
Larry Gude
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Larry Gude
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You're just struggling against the straight jacket YOU put on.
People older than you, upon reading that, are saying "Huh, she's such a youngin' cry baby! She has NO idea how BAD we had it in terms of social division in the 1960's. Draft riots. Kent State. Selma. JFK. RFK. MLK. Huge social disorder, mistrust and disruption."
We were WAY more divided in the 1960's than now. Ferguson does NOT equate to ANY of this;
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This.
Larry Gude
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You say that like the expansion HAD to be genocidal and that we HAD to make the world safe for communism by defeating a culture FAR more like our own.
So, yeah, I can't imagine todays kids being that savage or that stupid. The Greatest Generation obeyed, that we were defending the US by invading France. That communism was BETTER than national socialism. That Mao was better than Tojo.
luvmygdaughters
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There's a song about this.
So, basically, slavery, misogyny, genocide, war for profit, building and rebuilding a plutocracy is fine...if you have lovely manners and know which fork to use.
Uh...I've never owned any slaves, my parents didnt own any slaves and my grandparents didnt own any slaves. My father loved my mother, he loved his 3 daughters and treated them all with respect. We've never committed any type of genocide. As far as I know, war for profit has been going on since the beginning of time. Plutocracy...lets see, when's the last time we had a poor (monetarily speaking) president, senators and congressmen/women? Not everyone is Hitler and your comparison to how children are raised today compared to say...50 years ago...is idiotic. Were you raised to be disrespectful and ill mannered? Or were your parents all the things you described? o, basically, slavery, misogyny, genocide, war for profit, building and rebuilding a plutocracy
Larry Gude
Strung Out
Nope. Half my peeps didn't get here until 1850. If you fail to see, or refuse to see, the enormous benefits of being a white male in this nation prior to emancipation and suffrage for woman, that's on you. Not me. I'm 53 and I benefited, greatly, and I never owned a slave or beat a woman. My dad benefited more than I did and his than him and his before him.
First... I'm not going to banter with you over westward expansions impact on the natives. I believe they were treated abysmally when not being slaughtered, but it's done, History, gone, can't be changed, not my doing and any other caveat I failed to put in this sentence.
That said, the hardiness of those living in those times FAR surpasses any living today, OURSELVES included. Its the nature of our society... As we improve things, life gets easier for the next Generation, they get lazier or more complacent. As long as each generation keeps the cycle going, it gets worse... Until something comes along to toughen them up... Like WWII or worse.
That said... I for one don't believe the current crop could step up as others have because they've become much more immature as adults.
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