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eng69ine

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For Immediate Release: July 02, 2008
Contact: Mark E. Brady, Chief Spokesperson, 240-508-7930
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Ambulance Transport Fee Implemented

The Prince George’s County Fire/Emergency Medical Services (EMS) Department began charging for EMS transport on July 1, 2008. Prince George’s County citizens and residents who have health insurance, Medicare, or Medicaid will not pay any costs for ambulance service - insurance payments will be accepted as payment in full. There will be no additional co-payment or deductible.

For county citizens and residents who are uninsured, the Department will work with residents to ensure no one suffers financial hardship as a result of ambulance transport.

Firefighters/Medics and Emergency Medical Technicians (EMT’s) will deliver the same high quality medical care and service that citizens, residents and visitors expect and depend upon. There will be no change in the way medical care is provided; it will be transparent to the patient. Personal information will continue to be gathered by medical staff at the hospital. Additionally, personal privacy will be protected by the Health Insurance Portability and Accountability Act (HIPAA).

Charges for ambulance transport include: $500 for Basic Life Support transport, $650 for Advanced Life-1 Support transport and $750 for Advanced Life Support-2 transport. There is also a $5 per loaded transport mile - from pick-up point to the hospital for ground transport. There will be no charge if there is no transport.

Basic Life Support (BLS) is transportation by ground ambulance vehicle and the provision of medically necessary supplies and services, including BLS ambulance services as defined by the state. The ambulance must be staffed by an individual who is qualified in accordance with state and local laws as an emergency medical technician-basic (EMT-B). These laws may vary from state to state or within a state. For example, an EMT-B is permitted to operate limited equipment onboard the vehicle, assist more qualified personnel in performing assessments and interventions, and establish a peripheral intravenous (IV) line.

Advanced Life Support (ALS-1) is the transportation by ground ambulance vehicle and the provision of medically necessary supplies and services including the provision of an ALS assessment or at least one ALS intervention.

Advanced Life Support, Level 2 (ALS-2) is the transportation by ground ambulance vehicle and the provision of medically necessary supplies and services including: (1) at least three separate administrations of one or more medications by intravenous push/bolus or by continuous infusion (excluding crystalloid fluids); or (2) ground ambulance transport and the provision of at least one of the ALS-2 procedures.

No one will ever be denied county ambulance service based on ability to pay or the lack of insurance. There are provisions for those without medical insurance and/or the ability to pay the transport fee.

When citizens, residents and visitors need emergency help, they should call 9-1-1 without hesitation
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
Charges for ambulance transport include: $500 for Basic Life Support transport, $650 for Advanced Life-1 Support transport and $750 for Advanced Life Support-2 transport. There is also a $5 per loaded transport mile - from pick-up point to the hospital for ground transport. There will be no charge if there is no transport.

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I agree with charging those who have insurance, but those who don't can't usually pay the fees they are charging. It almost seems like social engineering - discouraging the poor from getting help to save their lives, thereby "cleansing" the gene pool.

On the other hand, maybe it will discourage those who use EMS as a taxi service....
 

greeneyes36

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:faint:

I agree with charging those who have insurance, but those who don't can't usually pay the fees they are charging. It almost seems like social engineering - discouraging the poor from getting help to save their lives, thereby "cleansing" the gene pool.

On the other hand, maybe it will discourage those who use EMS as a taxi service....


very much the intent. you would not believe half of the nonsense up the road that the EMS service is called out for. lived there many years and ex-hubby is paid firefighter there. unbelievable some of the scenarios.:whistle:
 

Jeff

Stop Staring!!!!!
I am good with the idea of paying. Not a problem.

But when do my taxes go down?
 

MMDad

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very much the intent. you would not believe half of the nonsense up the road that the EMS service is called out for. lived there many years and ex-hubby is paid firefighter there. unbelievable some of the scenarios.:whistle:

It's no different down here. "Generalized sick call" is what they say when someone calls for a ride.

You'd be surprised how many people use 911 to get to the hospital for a routine childbirth. They had 9 months warning, and still couldn't arrange a ride?
 

greeneyes36

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It's no different down here. "Generalized sick call" is what they say when someone calls for a ride.

You'd be surprised how many people use 911 to get to the hospital for a routine childbirth. They had 9 months warning, and still couldn't arrange a ride?


that's not fair.... deliveries sometimes come with little warning... luckily, i didnt have that problem... but hubby worked shiftwork and nights were scarey when it came down to 2 months of premature labor issues and then the real deal hit. who has time to wait for that ride -- gotta call them, they gotta get dressed, get in the car and drive 10-15 minutes to pick you up and then the 15 minute ride to the hospital. firehouse is 2 miles away -- i wouldve surely felt more comfortable going priority 2 to the hospital vs. waiting on that ride in the middle of the night! especially with premature labor issues i had for 2-3 months prior. you carry that baby and see how relaxed you are when it starts to come and you're waiting on so-and-so to come get you. get real... we're talking nose-bleeds and broken toes/fingers... childbirth is real reason to call 911 if no other choice available...and that "ride" doesnt always pan out - my "ride" that i'd arrange 7 months earlier for the nights when hubby was working broke her ankle two weeks prior to my delivery... your post made me laugh though... :killingme
 
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eng69ine

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Its going to suck when we get all of the ROUTINE ambo calls to 9211 Pine View Lane or 7520 Surratts Road for the nursing homes, that are less than a mile from Southern Maryland Hospital....... I think Company 25 should have two ambulances for the amount of calls we run in their first due!!!
 

Beelzebaby666

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Its going to suck when we get all of the ROUTINE ambo calls to 9211 Pine View Lane or 7520 Surratts Road for the nursing homes, that are less than a mile from Southern Maryland Hospital....... I think Company 25 should have two ambulances for the amount of calls we run in their first due!!!

:yeahthat: The place I work has a sad number of folks there who's local families won't even return our phone calls or who don't have any near by. I hate calling 911 because someone is simply lonely or because they just didn't poop right one time, but it happens.
 

OldHillcrestGuy

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Its going to suck when we get all of the ROUTINE ambo calls to 9211 Pine View Lane or 7520 Surratts Road for the nursing homes, that are less than a mile from Southern Maryland Hospital....... I think Company 25 should have two ambulances for the amount of calls we run in their first due!!!

Two ambulances wont help, look how many a certain company in St. Mary's has (ambo's) and a certain company from Charles still runs about 50% of the calls to the Chatlotte Hall Veterans Home.
Stop fussing :smack:once you get there (PineView and Surratts) and transport, one your across the street the other one your 2 miles away from the hospital. Try getting there (CHVH)and have to transport, your at least another 15 miles to one of the 3 hospitals and then still have another 15 miles to get back to the station.
 
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eng69ine

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Two ambulances wont help, look how many a certain company in St. Mary's has (ambo's) and a certain company from Charles still runs about 50% of the calls to the Chatlotte Hall Veterans Home.
Stop fussing :smack:once you get there (PineView and Surratts) and transport, one your across the street the other one your 2 miles away from the hospital. Try getting there (CHVH)and have to transport, your at least another 15 miles to one of the 3 hospitals and then still have another 15 miles to get back to the station.

The old people at the VH just wanna see the Ice Cream Truck thats all!!!! :yahoo:
 

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oldman

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I don't mind paying for ambulance service but I have a very hard time understanding why the cost is so high. Almost 4 years ago I was transported from one hospital to another, 15 miles, and was charged $1100 or $1200. I had walked into the first hospital on my own so wasn't in terrible shape. Had I known what they were going to charge me I would have gotten my brother to give me a ride and been none the worse for wear. My insurance did cover the vast majority of it but still....
 
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CalvertNewbie

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very much the intent. you would not believe half of the nonsense up the road that the EMS service is called out for. lived there many years and ex-hubby is paid firefighter there. unbelievable some of the scenarios.:whistle:

My ex is FDNY. Prior to becoming a firefighter, he was a medic there. He worked in the Bronx (aka Section 8 Central). They always used the ambulances as a taxi service and there was nothing the ambulance companies could do about it. If they didn't transport these people, they'd be sued for discrimination. What a waste of resources, not to mention it was never fun going into the Bronx housing projects, especially when you worked night shift! I didn't know that they did that down here, too, although I should have guessed that PG county wouldn't be much different than the ghettos of NY.
 

ImnoMensa

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I don't mind paying for ambulance service but I have a very hard time understanding why the cost is so high. Almost 4 years ago I was transported from one hospital to another, 15 miles, and was charged $1100 or $1200. I had walked into the first hospital on my own so wasn't in terrible shape. Had I known what they were going to charge me I would have gotten my brother to give me a ride and been none the worse for wear. My insurance did cover the vast majority of it but still....

Your cost is so high because you are paying for those who dont pay.

Nothing has changed except now the people with insurance who were paying ridiculous charges at the hospital to cover those with no insurance will now add the cost of an Ambulance ride being ridiculously high because of those with no insurance.

Those who never sent the Rescue Squads a donation and rode free will still be riding free and jamming up the system.

Expect your insurance rates to rise.

You see you might get your brother to take you to save a buck ,but freddie the Freeloader will still call the ambulance and still won't pay squat.

There is no beating it. There is a certain portion of the public who feels the world owes them a living, and go about proving it.
 

ImnoMensa

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They will probably spend more money on some of these people trying to collect those bills than they will ever collect from the "regular" frequent callers.
 
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CalvertNewbie

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Your cost is so high because you are paying for those who dont pay.

Nothing has changed except now the people with insurance who were paying ridiculous charges at the hospital to cover those with no insurance will now add the cost of an Ambulance ride being ridiculously high because of those with no insurance.

Those who never sent the Rescue Squads a donation and rode free will still be riding free and jamming up the system.

Expect your insurance rates to rise.

You see you might get your brother to take you to save a buck ,but freddie the Freeloader will still call the ambulance and still won't pay squat.

There is no beating it. There is a certain portion of the public who feels the world owes them a living, and go about proving it.

:cussing: Yep, that about sums it up. Either way, WE pay and those who milk the system are unaffected by any of this. I've officially decided - hubby & I will just quit our jobs and go on welfare. It's about time we got something for doing nothing instead of always paying for all the lazy peeps out there with their senses of entitlement! Hey, what's that old saying? If you can't beat 'em, join 'em? :sarcasm: JK - we actually have self respect & work ethics so welfare would never be an option for us. But it sure sounds like an easy life, ya know, with no financial obligations or responsibilities.
 
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CalvertNewbie

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Don't forget life flights which cost 7-8k per one way trip!!! :coffee:


Yeah, you're sure right about that. I've gotten many of those bills, working in auto insurance claims for so many years. Accidents aren't cheap, nowadays, that's for sure!
 

MMDad

Lem Putt
MVA:

To ensure stable funding for Maryland's world renowned Emergency Medical Services (EMS) System, including med-evac helicopters, ambulances, fire equipment, rescue squads, and trauma units a "surcharge" of $13.50 per year will be collected with the registration fee where applicable.

Sounds like PG is double dipping. How can they charge us up front for these services, then charge us again if we use them?

I would wager that they aren't lowering county income or property taxes that are offset by these fees, either.
 

Pete

Repete
I am good with the idea of paying. Not a problem.

But when do my taxes go down?

If your taxes do go down the increase in insurance premiums will make it a wash. Why do they think that adding a tax or a fee will just be eaten by the insurance companies? Then people turn around and gripe about the lack of "affordable health care".
 
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