This breaks my heart

lnmarsh

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Good Lord... Thats crazy. Absolutely insane.

I think the whole O.D.D. thing is just stupid. Absolutely stupid.
 

vraiblonde

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I'm not trying to be a smart ass, but what would constitute an "extreme" temper tantrum in a young toddler? I mean, when they get to be three and four, yeah, you can observe what is normal and what might be extreme. But an 18 month old?

Curious if the parents will sue the doctor for drugging their kid up like that. That seems like an obvious malpractice suit to me.
 

n0n1m0us3

why so serious
Confusing - what do you think the parent did wrong?

Drugged their child up to make him more convenient is what it sounds like to me. Anyone who is going to simply trust a doctor without question and pump their child full of drugs is a fool.
 

lnmarsh

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Drugged their child up to make him more convenient is what it sounds like to me. Anyone who is going to simply trust a doctor without question and pump their child full of drugs is a fool.

:yeahthat:

I also agree with you, Vrai. How much of a tantrum could a 18 month old possibly throw? I dont see it being bad enough to call for such severe medications
 

libertytyranny

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Confusing - what do you think the parent did wrong?

Did you read to the end of the article? She admited that she did it because she didn't want to parent. The doc said the tantrums were caused by family upheaval. She was lazy and had her own issues and decided that pumping her child full of drugs with extreme side effects and little known effects on developing bodies was preferable to actually having to be a mother. It's disgusting and she needs to have the child removed, and any doc who would prescribe drugs like that to what is basically an infant should never be allowed to practice again. I heartily diasagree with drugging children, and I make no bones about it. I have seen what these drugs do to adults, and to do that to a child disgusts me. Every once in a blue moon, there is a child that has severe issues, and cannot possibly be controlled in a home environment without drug intervention. It is rare. Most, I believe, are EXACTLY like this mother; lazy and ill equipped to parent. Hence why most parents who drug their children come from ill-educated low-income families.
 

libertytyranny

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Yes I read the article on MSNBC on the day it posted. Read it again here it's the same article.

Where did she say she didn't want to parent? I read unprepared, living in difficult circumstances, sometimes distracted things were complicated and tense. The doctor also said language delays were part of the cause - did you read that? Did you read where the mother took the child to doctor after doctor? How about wit's end part? Did you read that? That would describe me to a "t" when my son had violent temper tantrums. Did you read the part about low income families are often prescribed drugs because it's cheaper than psychological treatment? Where should the child be removed to? Foster home? Did you read the part where it say drugs are frequently prescribed to children in foster homes? Should he have gone to a state run home, mental hospital? Do you know what they do there? Prescribe drugs. This mother may have not been the best mother in the world but she did try and I understand what she meant by wit's end inside and out. She is sharing her story to the world including stating things that were probably difficult for her to admit. She kept looking until she found the solution - I hope it helps someone else.

I do agree with you that there are better ways then drugs and when I made that statement to my son's ever growing circle of doctors I was told - no there isn't. Thank God they were wrong, thank God for the Department of Health social workers and their support programs, thank God for family support on base when I cried on their shoulder and didn't think I could take it anymore, thank God for his patient, caring, concerned teachers at Great Mills High School for not giving up on him, thank God for my parents and believe it not thank God for the drugs that gave US the respite WE needed while looking for a better solution. I mean thank God in every sense of those words. Gotta run.

Since when are those reasons to diagnose a child with mental illness? Language delays? Yeah, most likely because she was "distracted" and never TALKED with the boy. I don't buy any of it. And I feel scared that people do. To be "unprepared" and living in a "tense" situation doesn't mean the child has a mental illness. Unbelievable.
 

vraiblonde

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I hold the doctor responsible, not the mother. We go to our physicians because we have a problem and they are the "experts". If we could do it ourselves, we wouldn't bother with them.

So the quack tells the mom what's wrong and what needs to happen, what's mom supposed to do? She trusted the doctor. Even if she had reservations about the treatment, you get to thinking that if you second-guess and something happens, there's the guilt that you didn't follow doctor's orders and endangered your child.

So really, what was she supposed to do?
 

libertytyranny

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I hold the doctor responsible, not the mother. We go to our physicians because we have a problem and they are the "experts". If we could do it ourselves, we wouldn't bother with them.

So the quack tells the mom what's wrong and what needs to happen, what's mom supposed to do? She trusted the doctor. Even if she had reservations about the treatment, you get to thinking that if you second-guess and something happens, there's the guilt that you didn't follow doctor's orders and endangered your child.

So really, what was she supposed to do?

There was nothing wrong with the child, she was simply lazy and had her own problems. There was no reason to take an 18 month old to the doctor for "tantrums" (later determined to be from family turmoil:bigwhoop:) and the article states she specifically went to the doc and ASKED for medication. The doctors probably wanted to shut her up. Thats wrong, and they have issues too. But I have seen mothers INSIST absolutely INSIST that their child has problems, even when they don't. Like some will get that puffed up mommy syndrome where they start spouting that they have to "fight for their child's rights" and such because even though someone tells them their child just isn''t a good talker yet, they MUST have speech classes, there MUST be something wrong. It can't possibly be that precious just isnt a genius or that they don't work with them enough. This is why empirically it is shown that therapy is a MUCH more effective treatment for any childhood "disorder" Why? because the child gets the attention and coping skills it should have gotten from its parents. Not because therapists do voodoo magic. Drugs are crutches for weak innefective parents that dont want to admit they are doing a crappy job, or their kid just isn't very bright. We take personality differences and differences in intellect and we "label" them something. And that is wrong. It takes away time, resources, and legitmacy from the EXTREMELY rare child that actually has a problem.
 
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