This is why...
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Larry Gude
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..this is why Israel was stupid to stop.
A dollar will get you ten that the Hezzies pals in the UN and elsewhere knew damn well that they could stay combat effective for about 30 days before they'd start running out of supplies. Day 31, they can't launch as many rockets, start looking weak, day 45 they're about out plus the IDF would, by then, have a potentially fatal fix on key bunkers and front line support depots. Thus, a clear defeat in the world's eye's.
Dumb move, Israel.
FromTexas said:
..this is why Israel was stupid to stop.
A dollar will get you ten that the Hezzies pals in the UN and elsewhere knew damn well that they could stay combat effective for about 30 days before they'd start running out of supplies. Day 31, they can't launch as many rockets, start looking weak, day 45 they're about out plus the IDF would, by then, have a potentially fatal fix on key bunkers and front line support depots. Thus, a clear defeat in the world's eye's.
Dumb move, Israel.
Tom Sawyer
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Olmert was forced into the war but he didnt have the intestinal fortitude to press it.
Bush tried to hold off the "peace "forces long enough for the Israeli's to get the job done, but the leadership tied the hands of the military, and the result is a net loss for Israel and we will have to listen to the Arab braggarts until the next round. There will be a next round. Next time Syria will get into it IMO.
Bush tried to hold off the "peace "forces long enough for the Israeli's to get the job done, but the leadership tied the hands of the military, and the result is a net loss for Israel and we will have to listen to the Arab braggarts until the next round. There will be a next round. Next time Syria will get into it IMO.
, let's get back to talking about Iranian nukes...
Pete
Repete
The problem is the "Arab Braggarts" are so demented that Israel could have bombed them into the stone age and killed 99% of them and the few left would crawl from the rubble and claim victory. They are like JPC, they will not admit reality even if they are flogged with it daily.Tom Sawyer said:
Israel can only "win" the war by exterminating Hezbollah, the network that supplies Hezbollah and the pool of people that Hezbola recruits from. To put it plainly they would have to kill all the Hezbollah members, All the Syrians and Iranians, and every fighting age Arab in the middle east. This is simply not possible.
World Community would not allow an onslaught like that. We would not supply them to do it. Israel is between a rock and a hard spot. They are surrounded by those that loathe them just because, we give them enough weapons and technology to survive. Israel probably doesn't care at all what the UN thinks or does or how many resolutions they pass but they know that WE do. The US would cease arms sales if Israel went on a killing spree of the magnitude they would have to to "win".
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One can only hope that Mossad takes this opportunity to grab pics and screenshots of every Hezbollah member who appears on TV -- to subsequently go and kill them.
I read a line the other day that I think I heard before, but sums up my sentiment about the whole Middle East - if the Muslims lay down their arms, there will be no more war - if the Jews lay down their arms, there will be no more Jews.
I read a line the other day that I think I heard before, but sums up my sentiment about the whole Middle East - if the Muslims lay down their arms, there will be no more war - if the Jews lay down their arms, there will be no more Jews.
Tom Sawyer
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Much of what you have to say has merit.
However I do believe this action was fought badly. Israel's military Commanders think so too. The fact is that Israel will never have a peace, they are surrounded by people who have never known peace. If they arent fighting Israel they will fight each other. The war should have gone on until every rocket in the hands of Hezballah was gone, if Hezballah wishes to fight with small arms, thats up to them. Fact is Hezballah did not sneak thousands of rockets into Lebanon unbeknownst to Lebanese officials , and Lebanon deserved everything they got. Now Lebanon in contrast to the UN peace plan has already refused to take those rockets from Hezballah. Israel fought a war, they havent gotten their kidnapped people back, they havent disarmed Hezballah, they havent gotten anything out of the war,.
Israel has lost for the first time in their history and the Arabs are going to parlay that into more trouble for Israel. I look for the Syrians to work up enough nerve to attack them next.
However I do believe this action was fought badly. Israel's military Commanders think so too. The fact is that Israel will never have a peace, they are surrounded by people who have never known peace. If they arent fighting Israel they will fight each other. The war should have gone on until every rocket in the hands of Hezballah was gone, if Hezballah wishes to fight with small arms, thats up to them. Fact is Hezballah did not sneak thousands of rockets into Lebanon unbeknownst to Lebanese officials , and Lebanon deserved everything they got. Now Lebanon in contrast to the UN peace plan has already refused to take those rockets from Hezballah. Israel fought a war, they havent gotten their kidnapped people back, they havent disarmed Hezballah, they havent gotten anything out of the war,.
Israel has lost for the first time in their history and the Arabs are going to parlay that into more trouble for Israel. I look for the Syrians to work up enough nerve to attack them next.
itsbob
I bowl overhand
Tom Sawyer said:
I don't hink Israel is done yet this go around.. I think they are giving Hez the chance to ruin the peace, and then they will go in and finish them off. This is giving the Hez a chance to get out in the open where the Israeli's can see where they are.. let them get complacent, then go back and kill the rest of them.
Pete
Repete
Israel had no choice. If they continued to press and the heat from the world community increased we would have cut them off from arms rather than be exposed as supplying the "Butchers of Israel." The only thing more dire for Israel than being surrounded by people who want to kill you is being unarmed and surrounded by people who want to kill you.Tom Sawyer said:
They will never win the sentiment of the hacks in the UN. They will always be viewed as "in the wrong" no matter the circumstances and they cannot change that. The doofus PM of Lebanon delivered a stupid, idiotic, totally untrue speech to the Arab League, explaining how Lebanon was the innocent victim of unwarranted Israeli aggression, and he ever teared up to add sincerity and he got a standing ovation. The next day the French did a 180 and left us hanging on crafting a cease fire that required Hesbolla to disarm and move out.
The fact is the Arabs have the world community by the balls by controlling oil. If you don't suck up to them even when they are blatantly wrong you run the risk of them shutting down the wells for a week or a month. They have enough money to survive that, we don't. They have the power to cause our energy prices to skyrocket. They could single handedly being us to our knees along with the Chinese, Brits, and French. Until this changes they will continue to be kissed on the cheek.
Conversely they have to walk a tight rope. If they get too out of hand and Russia, China, the UK and the USA move in, take the entire middle east and divide it among ourselves to ensure uninterrupted affordable oil supply they will be back to wandering the desert and eating the fleas off their camels.
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Bruzilla
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Israel's problems stem more from their leadership than from Hezbollah. If the IDF had gotten their way, Nasrallah wouldn't have been able to make any declarations because he would have been crushed beneath the ruins of the Hezbollah headquarters building.
The original plan of attack was for the IAF to blow up all the Hezbollah command and control facilities, and cut off avenues of escape, while an invasion force went to the north to the Litani river and started moving southward. At the same time the IDF would start moving northward from Israel. This would have trapped most of Hezbollah's fighters and their weapons into a collapsing pocket, which would have resulted in their destruction or surrender. It was a great plan, but that idiot Olmert nixed it because he was afraid of political consequences. So instead he only authorizes a slowly evolving attack from the south, which gave Hezbollah leaders plenty of time to flee to Iran and the troops to fight a delaying action while they awaited political pressure from the UN to stop the Israelis.
This is why Israel needs a veteran at the helm and not a lawyer.
The original plan of attack was for the IAF to blow up all the Hezbollah command and control facilities, and cut off avenues of escape, while an invasion force went to the north to the Litani river and started moving southward. At the same time the IDF would start moving northward from Israel. This would have trapped most of Hezbollah's fighters and their weapons into a collapsing pocket, which would have resulted in their destruction or surrender. It was a great plan, but that idiot Olmert nixed it because he was afraid of political consequences. So instead he only authorizes a slowly evolving attack from the south, which gave Hezbollah leaders plenty of time to flee to Iran and the troops to fight a delaying action while they awaited political pressure from the UN to stop the Israelis.
This is why Israel needs a veteran at the helm and not a lawyer.
